6.75 per hour??!!?

shane86

Evenin
Right, just back from an interview at McDonalds there, and your man told me Id be getting 6.75 an hour or thereabouts. 6.75?!!? Surely he meant 7.75? Obviously because at this stage Ill work anywhere whilst I await something better I didnt start claiming they were tight wads (arguing the wage isnt really something you do at interview level, along with asking when the first pay arrives) seeing as the minimum wage was recently moved to something like 7.60 but come on! Im 18, registered student, is 6.75 actually legal? The lowest I was ever offered was 7.10 with Dominos Pizza, and that was when the minimum wage was around that. Dunnes and Superquinn are 7.70 odd or something, so surely your man was mistaken, or else theyd all be gettiaway with payin 6.75 an hour.
He mentioned somethin about i should tell him when I turn 19 as my wage will then increase by no doubt some astronomical figure, but surely 6.75 cant be right? Ive payments to maintain! If its relevant Ive never done taxable work before, but i dont think this is the reason

joe.

Ok

acri

I think you only get the €7 somethin minimum wage if you're 18, part time and with two years working experience. As in work where you were paid hourly wages.

astec123

www.oasis.gov.ie type into search minimum wage and you will find your entitlement, I beleive they are within their rights to charge less than the adult rate if you have not been working before then, ie not a skilled worker, dont quote me on this but I believe this is the state of play.

nesf

Yeah the minimum wage doesn't apply unless you are "skilled" in the job, ie have X amount of working hours clocked.

I've a funny feeling that the clause is probably in there so large companies like McDonalds can get away with paying the majority of their workers less.

Then again I'm cynical.

Dinner

6.75 for an 18 year old sounds about right. Last year before the wages went up it was about 5.80 there thereabouts. AFAIK what we know as standard min wageis only if your 20 with a years experience.

Yv

yeah when you turn 18 you're entitled to 80% of the min wage for a yr, then the yr after it's 90%, then when you're 20 you get the full entitlement. most small businesses don't really make the distinction tho, but i guess big MNCs like mcdonald's are tight bastards.

Pacifico

It doesnt happen everywhere though. If you get a job in Dunnes you'll probably start off at slightly above €7.75!

nesf

From oasis.ie

Exceptions to the those entitled to receive the national minimum wage

There are some exceptions. The legislation does not apply to a person under 18 or a person employed by a close relative nor does it apply to those in statutory apprenticeships.

The Minimum Wage Act provides the following sub-minimum rates.

* An employee who is under 18 is entitled to 5.36 euro per hour (this is 70% of the minimum wage;
* An employee who is in the first year of employment since the age of 18 is entitled to 6.12 euro per hour (80% of minimum wage);
* An employee who is in the second year of employment since the date of first employment over the age of 18 is entitled to 6.89 euro per hour (90% of the minimum wage).

This phasing in of the National Minimum Wage also applies to employees who are over 18 and enter employment for the first time.

The Minimum Wage Act also provides sub-minimum rates which apply to employees who are over 18 and undergoing a course of structured training or directed study that is authorised or approved of by the employer.

The trainee rates provided by the Act are as follows:

* First one-third of training course 5.73 per hour euro (75% of national minimum wage rate).
* Second one-third of training course 6.12 euro per hour (80% of national minimum wage rate).
* Final one third of the training course 6.89 euro per hour (90% of national minimum wage rate).

Note: each one third can be a minimum period of one month and a maximum period of one year.

Explaining what kind of work entitles a worker to minimum wage: again from oasis.ie

The National Minimum Wage Act, 2000 provides that the minimum wage rate for an experienced adult employee from 1st May, 2005 is 7.65 euro per hour. Before then, the minimum wage rate was 7 euro per hour.

An experienced adult employee for the purposes of the Minimum Wage Act is an employee who has any employment whatsoever in any two years over the age of 18.

It seems they are offering you more than they have to actually. So not too shabby.


The most important point to note is, to qualify as experienced one need only have 2 years of full time work experience from over the age of 18. It does not necessarily have to be in a related job apparently. Thats fairly nice actually.

Although the trainee rates are probably what McD's uses. So they are actually not being as tight as they could be legally. Hmmm. And there I was thinking they were exploiting workers!!

Mimikyu

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MB44

17 here and getting 9.30 per hour

nesf

And I got 25 irish pounds an hour when I was 18, so what?

The thread is/was about if 6.75 an hour was below the minimum wage. Which it isn't, unfortunately.

acri

€5.11/hour...... ****in' slave drivers.

daveirl

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Agent Smith

Pacifico wrote:

It doesnt happen everywhere though. If you get a job in Dunnes you'll probably start off at slightly above €7.75!

€7.89, myself and Niloc work there in Cournelscourt

Agent Smith

on the same note, i started work when i was 13, (lied about my age)


i got 20 pounds for 6 hours work, which works out at


/me runs off to find a calc


£3.33 an hour, which in euro is
€4.23 an hour

damnyanks

Last year I was working for a large bank for slightly over that. It was a skilled job and it was enough for someone my age (20 at the time).

I've no real idea what the current minimum wage is. Think is't around 8+ euro in which case it is rather high. No student should be earning that amount at minimum wage

WhiteWashMan

pffft, i got 2 old irish quid an hour in my first part time job when i was 18.

and look at me now. im up to 5 euro and im a supervisor. not bad for 12 years work.
i could be inline for shift manager next year if i work double shifts.

shane86

Is my 6.75 taxable or will it all be goin into my hands?

nesf

shane86 wrote:

Is my 6.75 taxable or will it all be goin into my hands?

You should just have to pay PRSI. No PAYE afaik.

seamus

That depends on how many hours you work

It's unlikely to be taxed though.

sandyg

The reason it is 6.75 is because they are deducting your lunch expenses out of it (my sis in law worked for them). They take the lunch expenses out of your wages even if you dont bother to eat any of their food!

DonkeyStyle \o/

sandyg wrote:

They take the lunch expenses out of your wages even if you dont bother to eat any of their food!

Yeah just assuming you want to eat any of their crap.
I wonder do they deduct the amount the lunch costs them or the amount they sell it for... especially considering a lot of these people have to make it themselves.
Don't even get me started on deductions for uniforms... yah, like I go out clubbing in this stupid-looking striped short-sleeved shirt... great deal. :rolleyes:
And these companies make exactly how much profit per year?

seamus

sandyg wrote:

The reason it is 6.75 is because they are deducting your lunch expenses out of it (my sis in law worked for them). They take the lunch expenses out of your wages even if you dont bother to eat any of their food!

Em....they can't really do that. The only mandatory deductions are tax and PRSI. All other deductions must be agreed with the employee. Is this in the contract?

nesf

sandyg wrote:

The reason it is 6.75 is because they are deducting your lunch expenses out of it (my sis in law worked for them). They take the lunch expenses out of your wages even if you dont bother to eat any of their food!

I've known people to work for them and they never complained about any deductions for lunch money, and I know they wouldn't touch the food in there after a week or two.


Can you explain this further sandyg and quantify the statement?

*Page*

they dock you for your meal's! they say and you get food from here for your lunch well that comes out of your pay!

nesf

*Page* wrote:

they dock you for your meal's! they say and you get food from here for your lunch well that comes out of your pay!

Do they give you an option of providing your own lunch? And if they do so, do they still deduct from your wages?

sandyg

She wasnt given an option of bringing her lunch or not. She left after two weeks.

Gordon

(I win on the worst wage btw - 100 old Irish pounds every 2 weeks and I worked on average 70 hours a week, when I was 20ish, good experience though)

*Page*

they dont give the choice!

your not meant to leave on your half hour break either(reason why they give you the food)

nesf

Gordon wrote:

(I win on the worst wage btw - 100 old Irish pounds every 2 weeks and I worked on average 70 hours a week, when I was 20ish, good experience though)

Yeah, these young ones don't appreciate how good they have it. The minimum wage didn't exist when a lot of us started working in our teens!

<Insert grumpy old man ramblings here>


Page that sounds a bit unreasonable to be honest. They shouldn't be able to confine you for your lunch hour afaik.

*Page*

i was on IRE£1.75 for 4 years!!

this was for a different job!

*Page*

THAT IS WHY I LEFT this is why we are served by people only in the country ten minutes

Zillah

You people are ruining my motivation to find a part time job for the summer...

I had considered working in McyDs but this is sounding awful... ****y pay, mandatory lunch deductions, not allowed to leave for lunch...ugh...

Guy:Incognito

I worked for them for nearly five years and was a salaried manager for a year and never heard of the pay for your food being taken from your wages. It certainly wasnt something I told people when I was hireing them. Fair enough I left in 2001 but cant see it being that different, plus I still know a few people there.

TerrorFirmer

Jesus, and I thought I was bad getting €7 an hour from when I was 16 until 17.

I'm now getting substansially more but eh, to the people who said things like 2 quid an hour, and 200 for 2 weeks.....

I salute you.

I just couldnt do so much work for so little money.

jesus_thats_gre

They pay less as your uniform and food are included

shane86

seamus wrote:

Em....they can't really do that. The only mandatory deductions are tax and PRSI. All other deductions must be agreed with the employee. Is this in the contract?

Fairly sure your food is paid for out of your wage, that way they can get away with paying you less than you are owed. Or something

Christ sake, 25 quid out of my first 3 paycheques goes towards uniform deposit, which i get back when i leave

I want my full wage now ffs! Psychologically thered be somethin nicer about simply handin over 70 quid now and be done with it

And anyway, how in the **** is a baseball cap and a shirt that was made in a Bangladeshi sweatshop for all of 17 cents worth a 75 euro deposit?

God just wait till i move up the ladder to somewhere else. Im sick i ****ed up my dunnes interview......i thought theyd ask bollix all, then they hit me with a pile of questions the anwsers to which should be parroted out of a poxy rulebook

seamus

shane86 wrote:

Fairly sure your food is paid for out of your wage, that way they can get away with paying you less than you are owed. Or something

Christ sake, 25 quid out of my first 3 paycheques goes towards uniform deposit, which i get back when i leave

I want my full wage now ffs! Psychologically thered be somethin nicer about simply handin over 70 quid now and be done with it

And anyway, how in the **** is a baseball cap and a shirt that was made in a Bangladeshi sweatshop for all of 17 cents worth a 75 euro deposit?

These are all things that must be agreed in the contract though. They can't just take money out of your pay packet for food that you may or may not eat. If they did it without your permission, then essentially they're saying "You should not eat anything but McDonalds food on your break", and armed with a copy of Super Size Me and a few Doctor's reports, you could take them to the legal cleaners.
On the other hand, they're not stupid, the contract probably says "A standard deduction of €x will be taken from your wages to pay for the cost of food eaten on breaks. You will not be otherwise charged for this food". If you sign this contract, then you agree to that, and you can't really complain.
It's quite staggering how many people see a "Contract of Employment" as a "Terms of Employment" document and just sign it but grumble about it later.

Bogger77

shane86 wrote:

Christ sake, 25 quid out of my first 3 paycheques goes towards uniform deposit, which i get back when i leave

I want my full wage now ffs! Psychologically thered be somethin nicer about simply handin over 70 quid now and be done with it

3 x 25 == €75, you'd want to be better at the ould maths to work in mcdonalds!!

shane86

seamus wrote:

These are all things that must be agreed in the contract though. They can't just take money out of your pay packet for food that you may or may not eat. If they did it without your permission, then essentially they're saying "You should not eat anything but McDonalds food on your break", and armed with a copy of Super Size Me and a few Doctor's reports, you could take them to the legal cleaners.
On the other hand, they're not stupid, the contract probably says "A standard deduction of €x will be taken from your wages to pay for the cost of food eaten on breaks. You will not be otherwise charged for this food". If you sign this contract, then you agree to that, and you can't really complain.
It's quite staggering how many people see a "Contract of Employment" as a "Terms of Employment" document and just sign it but grumble about it later.

tbh i dont even recall signing any contract
I signed a few things alright.....mainly health and safety questionairres which we were given the anwsers to in order to save time, but no dont think i actually signed any type of contract
Pfft they treat us trainees so bad, they wont even tell us whats in the Big Mac sauce Mind you, the other day they asked me to put some bags of mayonaisse out in the sun.....

Cant wait to get my first cheque, see exactly how much money I get in the first
Y`know its only when you work there you realise the importance of putting the mustard, ketchup, onions, cheese, beef and more cheese on the quarters in that order So far I can make quarter cheeses, quarters and McChicken Sandwiches....its a bit of fun actually makin all this stuff real quick and all. Basically so far Ive been cookin, sweepin and stockin the fridge.

Jaysus you dread bein sent to the freezer, you can feel the saliva in your mouth begin to freeze over. Ah but it all seems alright so far

Mind you, im workin midday til evenin tomorrow, i dread the saturday lunch peak :eek:

WexCan

Hey,

Worked in McDs last year - O'Connell Bridge.

a) There is no contract per sé - you have to sign a yellow sheet with your details on it and the crew handbook forms the terms & conditions. They also ask you to sign a job description.

b) Company-owned restaurants don't deduct lunch costs - some franchisees might.

c) The uniform is meant to be €30 out of your first paycheck which is refunded when you leave.

d) Universal truth - Irish people will hardly ever be put in the back area - you'll probably end up on service (till) or lobby most of the time.

e) Most McDonalds employees suffer a burnout after about 4-5 months.

f) Don't worry about being a bastard to them. I think they like it.

g) Never attend crew meetings. Waste of time.

h) If they ask you to be a crew trainer say no - 25c per hour extra is f*ck all with the extra workload.

Rant finished.

Chris x

WexCan

Oh BTW -

QTC: crown mustard ketchup onions PICKLE cheese patty cheese heel

And the ingredients for mac sauce are on the side of the container.

Maybe i should go back hahaha

Steveire

Hehe, i'd always forget the pickle too. That's just cos i'd always take it out before i eat a McBurger. My advice is don't work in McD's It's a crap job and it still depresses me to go into one even now although i only spent about 2.5 months there and that was over a year ago.

Diarmsquid

Has the minimum wage for under 18s risen since then? (this is an old thread)
I'm going for an interview tomorrow.
If they deduct from your pay for food, does that mean you get all the food you want, or just a meal or something?