truly inspiring footage - grapplers take a look.

dlofnep

This is a video from NAGA of a guy with no arms or legs competing submission grappling tapping out some guy. It's amazing, you have to see for yourself. The guy's name is Kyle Maynard.

Video: http://s11.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2YXXCXSFDKH502XKFPMZ25B827

Naos

Edit: Spelling

Dlofnep.
Before I have looked at the video,im going to go out on a limb here...

BULL****.

No arms. No Legs. This will be very interesting. He going to use his teeth?

Naos

OK I watched the video.

Seen the type before, only the dude had no legs.
That was good, the handicapped guy was fluid, and must admit was very shocked when he went for the armbar, didnt know how he was going to finish it.

Fight was obviously made easy for him, but he knew his stuff.
Fair play to him.
As for my bull**** comment. I stand by it. He didnt choke him out.

dlofnep

Mear wrote:

OK I watched the video.

Seen the type before, only the dude had no legs.
That was good, the handicapped guy was fluid, and must admit was very shocked when he went for the armbar, didnt know how he was going to finish it.

Fight was obviously made easy for him, but he knew his stuff.
Fair play to him.
As for my bull**** comment. I stand by it. He didnt choke him out.

What? He tapped him with a side choke. This guy is an accomplished wrestler.. He has been on TV all over the US. He is the real deal.

Kevin_rc_ie

i can't get the dl to work :-(

got it to work.

The fully limbed guy didnt seem to be very experienced. The other guy had a big physique. So, if he was fully limbed, i'd imagine he would have weighed 20 kilo more than the other guy.
But still, he was chocking him with the equivalent of a forearm arcoss the throat. i think.

also what were they wrestlying on. it would reckon ur elbows and knees just rolling around on a regular gym floor.

breadmonkey

I'm going to approach this in the same vein as Mear. I too am astonished that someone with no arms or legs can grapple. In fact, I'm not sure if this is a joke. I don't know what to expect from this video but I'll have a look and then come back here and eat my words.

EDIT: Having watched the video, I must say I'm impressed. But the other guy did look very inexperienced.

I wonder what kind of submissions can that guy do. I agree with Mear on the armbar thing. He must have one mean shoulder of justice!

Naos

dlofnep wrote:

What? He tapped him with a side choke. This guy is an accomplished wrestler.. He has been on TV all over the US. He is the real deal.

He tapped him with a side choke.
Without a forearm...........
Hmmmmmmmmm

Dlofnep. That would be extremely hard. I assume your a grappler, you think its possible? I dont.

As I mentioned before, it looked a lot like the other fighter was either extremely inexpierienced or as I presume going easy on him.

Mr. Flibble

Thats pretty slick.
Not to take away from the guy, but having no arms or legs is the best defence against armlocks and leglocks I've ever seen! The opponant is really limited to a choke.

Kevin_rc_ie

lol i actually forgot that.

nesf

Eh, the other guy didn't look like much.

Fair dues to the guy for attempting grappling without much in the way of limbs but does it not seem a bit pointless to anyone else? Sure it's nice to see a guy like that winning in a grappling match but can you imagine him winning against anyone with skill who tried hard to win? I mean he's at an obscene dissadvatage to start with and if his opponent didn't take it easy on him he'd have little to no chance.


I'm all for people overcoming their problems and such but this is non-sensical human interest garbage.

Naos

nesf wrote:

but does it not seem a bit pointless

nesf wrote:

I'm all for people overcoming their problems

read what you write before you post.

nesf

Mear wrote:

read what you write before you post.

Read what I post before replying. :rolleyes:

Just to reiterate, I'm all for people overcoming their problems but this just seems like human interest garbage. Or in otherwords pointless.

dlofnep

Mear wrote:

He tapped him with a side choke.
Without a forearm...........
Hmmmmmmmmm

Dlofnep. That would be extremely hard. I assume your a grappler, you think its possible? I dont.

As I mentioned before, it looked a lot like the other fighter was either extremely inexpierienced or as I presume going easy on him.

He has some of his arm. You do know what a side choke is? It's a choke, not a crank. The forearm goes behind the neck, in this case, the half of an arm but the forearm does not choke him.. The pressure applyed on the throat does... Although you do need something behind the neck to tighten the choke, I think his half an arm suffices in this case. If he didn't have it in tight, it would be pretty easily to escape and regain half guard. He has it in very tight.. I'm pretty sure he had the choke in. Also, the guys who compete in NAGA are not inexperienced. This guy has wins over credible opponents in wrestling also.

dlofnep

nesf wrote:

Eh, the other guy didn't look like much.

Fair dues to the guy for attempting grappling without much in the way of limbs but does it not seem a bit pointless to anyone else? Sure it's nice to see a guy like that winning in a grappling match but can you imagine him winning against anyone with skill who tried hard to win? I mean he's at an obscene dissadvatage to start with and if his opponent didn't take it easy on him he'd have little to no chance.


I'm all for people overcoming their problems and such but this is non-sensical human interest garbage.

I don't think so.. JJ Machado only has one hand and he is one of the greatest grapplers of all time. More power to the guy for competing and even more power to him for accomplishing wins over people who are able bodied.

dlofnep

John: you went to NAGA right?
Blake: yeah
John: ok
John: you know that guy with the no arms and legs
Blake: yes
Blake: personally
John: do you know anything about the guy he grappled?
Blake: he grappled several guys...came in second in his division
Blake: he went against Bubby..our 135 pounder
John: bubby is purple belt level, correct?
Blake: beat Bubby on points
Blake: mid blue
Blake: Cole is the high purple
John: Ah, right.
John: Ok.
John: And that side choke
John: It was tight, right?
Blake: here's the the thing...
Blake: he is incredibly strong
Blake: and he digs his ****ing nubs into the artery
Blake: pinching them like that
John: ouch.

So, this guy you are all doubting came second in his division in the intermediate level in NAGA. It's very easy to be a skeptic, especially before you even see the match. Anybody who knows what NAGA is, knows the type of competition that is there.

Coming second is a monster achievement. **** you doubters!

Naos

nesf wrote:

Read what I post before replying. :rolleyes:

Just to reiterate, I'm all for people overcoming their problems but this just seems like human interest garbage. Or in otherwords pointless.

I read every word.
Not into the old blind posting game.

Its not pointless because its encouraging.

All about helping people overcoming their problems.

Now.. Go back and read what you wrote.

nesf

Mear wrote:

I read every word.
Not into the old blind posting game.

Its not pointless because its encouraging.

All about helping people overcoming their problems.

As I said, I'm all for people overcoming their issues/problems etc and I'm happy to read about people overcoming huge obsticles etc.

Why I think this is pointless human interest garbage is because I would view this kind of thing as "insulting false hope" if you know what I mean? Could this guy ever compete against particularily competent grapplers if they didn't hold back?

As you said in your previous posts, it didn't look like the other guy had much of an idea about what he was doing or wasn't trying very hard to win. I agree wholeheartedly, I thought his opponent was either very unskilled or was taking it easy.

It stinks of PC bull**** to me. I mean, it's great to see someone trying to overcome their "disabilities" (if you knew me you'd know that I'm involved in this kind of thing), but there are limits to this in my mind. People discriminating for a person because of their disabilities is demeaning imo. Not that these people shouldn't get help, far from it.

The video just struck me as very "lets give the poor disabled guy an easy opponent so he can win". I hate that kind of attitude. So maybe I was a bit over-zealous when declaring it pointless, but I hope you see my point.

Mear wrote:

Now.. Go back and read what you wrote.

:rolleyes:

columok

Nesf,

Valid points that hinge on the matches being fixed. they werent. its NAGA. No false hope, the guy was good.

columok

And a further point sorry. The losing guy looked fairly decent but with the guy having no arms he couldnt pull off two major weapons that he looked to attempt namely the triangle and the omo plata.

dlofnep

nesf wrote:

Could this guy ever compete against particularily competent grapplers if they didn't hold back?

Nobody was holding back. As I've already stated he came second in the NAGA intermediate division.

NAGA has novice, beginner, intermediate and advanced. My friend competed in intermediate and went against purple belts under Jacare. Which means that this guy was up against guys who were purple belt level - The best in the US. Now this guy in the video may not of been a purple belt, but he wasn't a really poor grappler.

So yes, he could compete against them, did and won.

Musashi

I don't know grappling that well, and as such no way I'd want to draw that particular man as an opponnent! He grapples like I breathe! And no way I'm getting an arm bar on the wee man!
He has some advantage in you can't grab him like you would an able bodied opponnent and he fights fully limbed folk all the time!
In a stand up fight I think I'd have him, but on the ground I think he's got the stuff and I'd be fooked,"able bodied" or not against him!
I don't think he was favoured or gone easy on? He's just Mobile,Agile and Hostile!
Well done, as a fighter, and not a disabled fighter,he didn't look any bit disadvantaged to me!

cavedave

I thought that was a great fight. The way the winner prevented the guard pass about a minute into it, how he kept his weight on his opponent early on, how he slid out of the triangle attempt. It looked like good skillful grappling to me.
David

Naos

Nesf: On your last point, last post. I agree, but there is no point in throwing him against a well bodied black belt.

Colomuk: I respect the guy for doing what hes doing with the handicap he has, and believe he would be a very good fighter if he was able bodied, was very smooth and seemed to know what he was doing.

I have not heard about NAGA before, but there was at least 1 more fight going on at the sime time during the Kyle Manard fight.
Is this how the comp is run? Or were these exhibiton fights?

Working on presumption here, I believe If I was to fight someone like Kyle, there would be nothing stopping me being able to use all my limbs for rotation and sheer power to flip him off. The opponent just hung his legs in the air as opposed to at least trying to swing his way out.(Dunno term, using legs as a weight, swingup then down and sit up...)

Basically you use your bodyweight in hold downs, but you need your legs too. Kyles centre of gravity would be higher than normal.

I just honestly cannot imagine this man trying to hold me down.

dlofnep

Mear wrote:

I have not heard about NAGA before, but there was at least 1 more fight going on at the sime time during the Kyle Manard fight.
Is this how the comp is run? Or were these exhibiton fights?
Basically you use your bodyweight in hold downs, but you need your legs too. Kyles centre of gravity would be higher than normal.

I just honestly cannot imagine this man trying to hold me down.

Well, I'm pretty sure if he held you down, you would go anywhere.. With normal guys you can hook their legs or arms to trap them for sweeps.. You can't with this guy.

As far as NAGA goes, there may be 10 or more matches on at anyone time.. There would be hundreds of competitors competing and the time frame wouldn't accompany it for match by match.. They would have one large matted area or many matted areas.

Working on presumption here, I believe If I was to fight someone like Kyle, there would be nothing stopping me being able to use all my limbs for rotation and sheer power to flip him off.

You don't use "sheer power" to sweep. It's a combination of catching someone off balance and/or trapping someone's arm or leg to stop them from regaining their balance after you bump them off.. Sweeps become more intricate than that with butterfly guard sweeps and what not, but the fundementals are the same.. make them lose their centre of balance and away we go. I can see why the guy on the bottom had so many problems with this guy as he couldn't sweep him like he would be trained to do.. I'm sure you could work on new sweeps for this guy, but I doubt this guy new he would have to compete against him.

Naos

What i meant by flipping him off was not a sweep.
Quite simply holding his body as tight to mine as possible(this is feasible)
And then using stomach muscles and legs, swing into an upright sitting position.
This is countered by using your legs to stop the swing.

I am probably just being egoistical, but I can see it working tbh.

Clive

Fair play to that guy. His opponent isn't the best in the world, but he caught him fair and square with a modified arm triangle.

pma-ire

Clive wrote:

Fair play to that guy. His opponent isn't the best in the world, but he caught him fair and square with a modified arm triangle.

one thing i did notice about the opponent is that he's a little skinny guy!! his legs are like matchsticks!!

so the guy's body weight would be nothing!! looking at Karl, his body looks solid and i bet it would be like trying to bench press a bag of coal!!!

nesf

pma-ire wrote:

one thing i did notice about the opponent is that he's a little skinny guy!! his legs are like matchsticks!!

so the guy's body weight would be nothing!! looking at Karl, his body looks solid and i bet it would be like trying to bench press a bag of coal!!!

Eh benchpressing a bag of coal is easy. A bag of coal doesn't fight back

Colm_OReilly

If you look at the gym that Kyle was fighting out of, it's The Hardcore Gym, an SBGi gym which also, incidentally, produced TUF winner Forest Griffin.

NAGA is probably the largest sub wrestling competition circuit in the States, and is well respected.

No wonder the guy Kyle was fighting had skinny legs, they were fighting in the 135lb category.

As far as the no hope argument goes, or the he'd be killed by a decent grappler. I'm a fairly okay grappler but I'd be killed by someone with better skill or superior attributes that could negate my skill. Just as a female grappler could get destroyed by someone a lot stronger.

If you want more info on the dude check out www.kmaynard.com

Peace,
Colm

Roper

Musashi wrote:

In a stand up fight I think I'd have him,

Couldn't let this go........
Yeah, since he's next to no legs I think you just might....

Naos

that was the joke roper..

Please dont use the humour forum.

Colum: Probably me just getting a big head. Just cant understand why he would be so difficult to move off ya.. using all limbs in combination..

pma-ire

nesf wrote:

Eh benchpressing a bag of coal is easy. A bag of coal doesn't fight back

Gee! Really??? :rolleyes: