getting refused at the door

zap

I am sick of getting turned away at the door of certain pubs/clubs in dublin becuase appartently I have had too much to drink - when I haven't had a drink at all either that or the place suddenly becomes over 21s for that minute I am at the door. It's not as if I am dressed badly - always have shoes shirt etc. hair neat the usual and i'm just fed up with it.

seamus

You may just be one of those people who looks stoned/pissed all of the time. I have a mate like that. Bouncers always go "Sorry lads, he's had too much", and we go, "Uh, WTF, we've only just gotten into town! Don't worry, he always looks like that". Then they wave us in.

Do you have particularly bloodshot or abnormal eyes? This is usually what sets them off. I know another guy who used to carry around a doctor's cert to show to bouncers cos the medication he was on made his eyes very red.

Jammer

The place i go every weekend, the same bouncer asks me for ID everytime. I think he may be taking the piss at this stage...

Lenny

How is this a personaal issue?
I'm sick of people making topics of being refused n ****, just live it it or go else were

Beruthiel

Lenny wrote:

How is this a personaal issue?

it's not
moved to AH
B

zap

the reason I always get refused is that I have an artifical right eye and occasionally it swells and looks really red - however try telling bouncers that there just like ye ye not tonight.

Duckjob

zap wrote:

I am sick of getting turned away at the door of certain pubs/clubs in dublin becuase appartently I have had too much to drink - when I haven't had a drink at all either that or the place suddenly becomes over 21s for that minute I am at the door. It's not as if I am dressed badly - always have shoes shirt etc. hair neat the usual and i'm just fed up with it.

Bouncers operate on gut feelings, so when a bouncer says 'too much to drink', its often a less offensive way (in his mind anyway) to refuse you than to tell you the real reason, which could be anything from 'you're a bit young looking' to 'i just don't like the cut of you'.

Given that you mentioned 'over 21s', it might be the latter so it might be worth reading between the lines and showing him your ID. Even if you're aged 18-21, he might make him feel more positive towards you the fact that you're being so cooperative.

Lenny

You should've locked it ber

zap

i always show id - i have no problem with that but they still refuse to let me in.

Duckjob

zap wrote:

the reason I always get refused is that I have an artifical right eye and occasionally it swells and looks really red - however try telling bouncers that there just like ye ye not tonight.

If thats the case, it should be possible to get a doctors note to verify that and carry it with you to show them.

zap

that's all well and good but if they are using a diff excuse rather than saying that it's odd pulling out a docs cert.

zap

by the way I can't see how this isn't a personal issue!

Jim

Theres a mofo'in edit button mofo.

Kinetic^

What clubs are you going to & how old are you??

edmund_f

nice thing to do is if you are with a group.. go up to a door (with bouncers) pause a min and say something along the lines of 'Nah.. looks too young' and head off to the place across the street..

petes

Duckjob wrote:

If thats the case, it should be possible to get a doctors note to verify that and carry it with you to show them.

Failing that take out your eye and show it to them.

zap

I'm 19 and it happens in alot of clubs don't wanna name names.

Kinetic^

Well it depends what clubs your going to.If you're going to places like Ron Blacks & cafe en seine then you'll probably have a hard time getting in ubt if you're going to the ivy you should be ok.

BaZmO*

Duckjob wrote:

Bouncers operate on gut feelings, so when a bouncer says 'too much to drink', its often a less offensive way (in his mind anyway) to refuse you than to tell you the real reason, which could be anything from 'you're a bit young looking' to 'i just don't like the cut of you'.

That's it in a nutshell mate. I've worked in a few bars and clubs down through the years and if a bouncer doesn't like the look of you he just won't let you in. And he'll give you every stupid excuse under the sun to refuse you.

"Sorry, you're too young"
"Sorry, regulars only"
"Sorry, you've too much to drink"
"Sorry, you're wearing trainers"
"Sorry, we're full"

Unfortunately it's a fact of life and you'll just have to get used it. We've all heard the excuses before.

B.

HelterSkelter

zap wrote:

...or the place suddenly becomes over 21s for that minute I am at the door. .

It's against the Equal Status Act to refuse for over 21's unless they have a sign up to say that is the policy. You should take a case against them next time it happens. I'm due a nice little compensation payout for something very similar.

Maynooth

Name names.

Duckjob

HelterSkelter wrote:

It's against the Equal Status Act to refuse for over 21's unless they have a sign up to say that is the policy. You should take a case against them next time it happens. I'm due a nice little compensation payout for something very similar.

As yes, payout for the 'trauma' caused. Were you psychologically scarred? You poor mite.

And while we're at it, lets all start jumping out in front of oncoming cars. That's got to be worth a few quid. After all, the world does owe us a living. woohooo...

:mad:

Kinetic^

Duckjob wrote:

As yes, payout for the 'trauma' caused. Were you psychologically scarred?

Have to agree with duckjob, so you didnt get into a club??So what,its not as if you lost a leg/arm.

BaZmO*

HelterSkelter wrote:

It's against the Equal Status Act to refuse for over 21's unless they have a sign up to say that is the policy. You should take a case against them next time it happens. I'm due a nice little compensation payout for something very similar.

It's people like you that give insurance companies excuses to charge ridiculously high premiums.

B.

steveland?

seamus wrote:

Do you have particularly bloodshot or abnormal eyes? This is usually what sets them off.

Heh, I've got massive bags under my eyes constantly that make me look like I'm stoned constantly... couple this with wearing contacts which cause my eyes to water a tiny bit and after a while of wearing them make my eyes a tiny bit red and I tend to look fairly fluthered going up to the door...

Never really been a problem though cos somehow every time I've gone for a photo for an ID ive been... innebriated and look like that anyway in the pictures

They just look at the photo and see that that's how I normally look

Kinetic^

BaZmO* wrote:

It's people like you that give insurance companies excuses to charge ridiculously high premiums.

B.

& then we the general public get affected by it,drinks prices are gonna go up coz the pub is being charged more for insurance....and then you're going to moan at the prices of drink when in fact you caused the price hike in the first place. :mad:

HelterSkelter

To the last 4 posters:

They (the defendants) broke the law and now they are paying the penalty. I am not doing anything wrong by taking a case. In fact the Equality Authority (a Government body) encouraged me to take the case so that the defendants will not discriminate against others in the same way again.

BTW it's not a club in my case.

BaZmO*

HelterSkelter wrote:

To the last 4 posters:

They (the defendants) broke the law and now they are paying the penalty. I am not doing anything wrong by taking a case. In fact the Equality Authority (a Government body) encouraged me to take the case so that the defendants will not discriminate against others in the same way again.

BTW it's not a club in my case.

Ok so it's a principle thing then? In that case you'll be giving any money that you get to charity?

B.

Duckjob

HelterSkelter wrote:

To the last 4 posters:

They (the defendants) broke the law and now they are paying the penalty. I am not doing anything wrong by taking a case. In fact the Equality Authority (a Government body) encouraged me to take the case so that the defendants will not discriminate against others in the same way again.

BTW it's not a club in my case.

Fair enough, if the establishment in question broke the law they should be fined or penalised, but why should you be compensated. How do you justify it, other than that you want a few easy quid.

Enough people with that attitude, and we're heading towards a litigatious society just like in the US, where you can't look at someone the wrong way without being sued.

HelterSkelter

Duckjob wrote:

Fair enough, if the establishment in question broke the law they should be fined or penalised, but why should you be compensated. How do you justify it, other than that you want a few easy quid.

With that attitude, we're heading towards a litigatious society just like the US, where you can't look at someone the wrong way without being sued.

I don't think the relativly small amount I am getting is really going to make much of a dent in the profits of the "service provider" I took the case against. Believe me they make massive profits every year.

I'll be totally honest, it started out as a matter of principal, I didn't care about getting any money out of them. But if the Equality Comission want to award me compensation then it is a nice little bonus as far as I am concerned. I am not going to refuse. Be honest, would you? Same questions to Bazmo as well.

skywalker

HelterSkelter wrote:

It's against the Equal Status Act to refuse for over 21's unless they have a sign up to say that is the policy. You should take a case against them next time it happens. I'm due a nice little compensation payout for something very similar.

You sicken me.

BaZmO*

HelterSkelter wrote:

I'll be totally honest, it started out as a matter of principal, I didn't care about getting any money out of them. But if the Equality Comission want to award me compensation then it is a nice little bonus as far as I am concerned. I am not going to refuse. Be honest, would you? Same questions to Bazmo as well.

I'll be really really honest and say that if I was after making a complaint to the Equality Comission and I ended up being awarded money well then no I more than likely wouldn't refuse it. However, I most certainly wouldn't be giving out advise like.......

HelterSkelter wrote:

You should take a case against them next time it happens. I'm due a nice little compensation payout for something very similar.

To me that indicates that you are more concerned about the payment rather than the victory, but at the end of the day each to ther own I suppose.

B.

HelterSkelter

BaZmO* wrote:

To me that indicates that you are more concerned about the payment rather than the victory, but at the end of the day each to ther own I suppose.

B.

My view is that if more people took cases against pubs/clubs then they would be less likely to refuse people for stupid reasons. The publicans are definitely going to change their attitude if they are hit in the pocket.

I'm not more concerned about the payment, but it is the iceing on the cake.

eyebrows

Keyser Soze 69 wrote:

Have to agree with duckjob, so you didnt get into a club??So what,its not as if you lost a leg/arm.

fair enough if you didn't get in once or twice but if it's all the time ya have to admit you'd be fairly fúcking pissed off, I know I would.

Duckjob

Bazmo wrote:

To me that indicates that you are more concerned about the payment rather than the victory, but at the end of the day each to ther own I suppose.

Very true.


Also, this:

HelterSkelter wrote:

I don't think the relativly small amount I am getting is really going to make much of a dent in the profits of the "service provider" I took the case against. Believe me they make massive profits every year

...is the standard method of justification made by of serial claimers who refuse to see that cost of their little freebie gets added to all the other little freebies and ends up being passed on to the ordinary folk in the street.

Sangre

Duckjob wrote:

As yes, payout for the 'trauma' caused. Were you psychologically scarred? You poor mite.

And while we're at it, lets all start jumping out in front of oncoming cars. That's got to be worth a few quid. After all, the world does owe us a living. woohooo...

:mad:

Would you say the same thing if he was refused because he was black?

Discrimination is discrimination

HelterSkelter

Duckjob wrote:

Also, this:



...is the standard method of justification made by of serial claimers who refuse to see that cost of their little freebie gets added to all the other little freebies and ends up being passed on to the ordinary folk in the street.

First "claim" I ever made, I'm not in the habit of it. And it wasn't a freebie, it's not as if I pretended to fall and injure myself or something like that. I was acting on a law passed by the Government that says it is illegal to discriminate against someone when providing a service because of their age.

Kinetic^

How much are you getting?? 1-5k or more??

Duckjob

HelterSkelter wrote:

First "claim" I ever made, I'm not in the habit of it. And it wasn't a freebie, it's not as if I pretended to fall and injure myself or something like that. I was acting on a law passed by the Government that says it is illegal to discriminate against someone when providing a service because of their age.

Not saying you're a serial claimer, but it doesn't do you any favours to trot the line about big multinationals etc, since it's very often used as an attempt at justification by insurance moneygrabbing types.

The fact is that your claim *doesn't* hit them in the pocket. they simply pass on the cost to their customers, they don't absorb it.

HelterSkelter

Duckjob wrote:

Not saying you're a serial claimer, but it doesn't do you any favours to trot the line about big multinationals etc, since it's very often used as an attempt at justification by insurance moneygrabbing types.

The fact is that your claim *doesn't* hit them in the pocket. they simply pass on the cost to their customers, they don't absorb it.

Ok, point taken. I do sound a bit like the serial claimers with what I said. I am not though I can assure you.

But do you agree that a few cases against a company will force them to change their policy? I know for a fact this company have changed their policy.

Kinetic^

I've worked the doors,never had a claim against me for discrimination or anything else but there are some assholes working on doors just looking to fight/piss people off coz they've told me.

TinCool

Most places I go to the bouncers on the front door are grand and never have any bother getting in to places (I'm 28 by the way). I have a general dislike for bouncers, not all, but some can just throw their weight about the place being on a power trip and all. Myself and 4 friends went to a pub on Saturday night (pub shall remain nameless as its not relevant anyway) for a friends birthday celebrations. Now, we used to go to his pub practically every weekend for a two yeart trot, but over the past 6 months or so have not been there. The bouncer at the door (one I have never seen before), says to us "sorry lads I don't recognise your faces there, when was the last time you were here". To this I was thinking to myself "well how long have you been working here for then as I don't recognise yours". I bit my tongue however, as if I were to have made my point you could rest assure I wouldn't be getting in. But instead said "we used to come up here all the time but haven't been here for about 6 months", and with that he grudgingly let us in.

Now, we do not look shifty at all, so why the hassle at the front door when there was no need.

<rant over>

TC

joejoem

Ever see Kevin and perry go large when the two girls are trying to get into the club?

Bouncer - sorry girls, no monsters.

Girls - What???

Bouncer - "see this?" (holds up hand) "Ughh" (and pulls it away) "You offend my mirror"

Kinetic^

Completely agree with you there Tincool.Even when i was working the door,if i was to go out on a night out,I'd have hassle getting in places.The whole i don't know you faces is a cop out anyway,how are you expected to become regulars if you can't get into the pub in the first place.

Also,the people working the doors wouldn't get into the place if they were to walk up coz the majority of them are scum.

Boggle

There's a lot of crap on this thread about how you should just put up with being discriminated because "sure, it's not doing you any real harm...". Doormen in this country are poorly trained, poorly regulated and think they're gods gift. They seem to think its their right to go on a power trip whenever they feel like it and to ruin someones night because "they feel like it".

Grow up lads, if I was discriminated against clearly on the grounds of age/sex/?colour? then I would use my right to seek retribution by whatever means the law allows. I am entitled to do that.

joejoem

Boggle wrote:

There's a lot of crap on this thread about how you should just put up with being discriminated because "sure, it's not doing you any real harm...". Doormen in this country are poorly trained, poorly regulated and think they're gods gift. They seem to think its their right to go on a power trip whenever they feel like it and to ruin someones night because "they feel like it".

Grow up lads, if I was discriminated against clearly on the grounds of age/sex/?colour? then I would use my right to seek retribution by whatever means the law allows. I am entitled to do that.

The mind boggles. Your right though, and bouncers are scum.

Kinetic^

joejoem wrote:

bouncers are scum.

Judge's ruling,yep that's a generalisation!!!

joejoem

I worked as a boucer before, breifly and I left because I realised quickly that most boucers lets say 3 in 5 are scum bags who dont have the intellegance to do anything else and that they were out to have a little bit of power.

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Kinetic^

joejoem wrote:

I worked as a boucer before, breifly and I left because I realised quickly that most boucers lets say 3 in 5 are scum bags who dont have the intellegance to do anything else and that they were out to have a little bit of power.

Have to agree with you there,brainless doesn't even cover it.

PaddyjDunne

Load of cr*p lads. Bouncers are people. Some people are w*nkers, some people are ok.

The reason there are so many horror stories of bouncers being idiots is because when they aren't it goes unnoticed. I have to say in my experiences with pubs (and it is quite extensive) I've encountered a lot more decent bouncers than not.

And by the way, helter skelter, they didn't let you in? Cry me a f*cking river. That kind of claiming makes me sick. People have defended you saying that if you were black, you'd be entitled to claim and I agree. The difference is though, the bouncer didn't like the look of you, not based on skin colour. He was probably using a generic refusal statement beacause he thought that you might be a trouble-maker or something along those lines.

I know that people feel aggrieved when it is against them but I'd rather bouncers made judgement calls with people they think will cause trouble as even if they are right one time in five, it cuts the chance of troublemakers ruining a night out for everyone.

Agent Smith

HelterSkelter wrote:

I don't think the relativly small amount I am getting is really going to make much of a dent in the profits of the "service provider" I took the case against. Believe me they make massive profits every year.

I'll be totally honest, it started out as a matter of principal, I didn't care about getting any money out of them. But if the Equality Comission want to award me compensation then it is a nice little bonus as far as I am concerned. I am not going to refuse. Be honest, would you? Same questions to Bazmo as well.

you are whast wrong with this country