Is Tiger a farce?

dub45

I did a clean install of Tiger - then downloaded the update hoping it would improve things.

My wireless performance is dire (was fine with Panther) - the update seemed to improve it briefly.

Today I tried to install I Life 5 times and each time I was told install failed try again. (perfectly legit copy in case anyone asks!)

The system hangs frequently for not apparent reason - I have little or nothing on it to cause it to hang.

Office update hangs and hangs and hangs (ok that may require a new update from Microsoft)

Was chatting to a guy I know yesterday who works in one of the shops that sell Apple machines and software and he was saying they are finding it very buggy.

If Microsoft released something with so many bugs they would be laughed out of it.

When I installed Panther I did an upgrade install rather than a clean install and never had a minute's bother with it.

Hugh_C

dub45 wrote:

I did a clean install of Tiger - then downloaded the update hoping it would improve things..

works flawlessly for me on 2 machines - no problems with wireless on either machine, one of which is a 3rd party card. One was "erase & install", the other was "upgrade".

Sorry for your troubles. Office is bloatware - you should be looking at NeoOffice (freeware)

L1011

dub45 wrote:

If Microsoft released something with so many bugs they would be laughed out of it.

By Mac users, in fact.

OSX has about as many security patches and far more weird bugs than Windows. If it was the dominant OS, it'd be FAR more easily exploited (hello cross-platform server tool vunerabilities...)

Tiger is, to date, almost completely useless on my systems.

Hugh_C

MYOB wrote:

Tiger is, to date, almost completely useless on my systems.

Is that because software writers haven't released Tiger-friendly versions or is it because you've lost functionality?

My own Tiger experience has been good thus far with ONE exception - my SMB shares are a little weird - I'm only getting partial directory listings, even though all the stuff is there. I thought 10.4.1 would have fixed it but it didn't.

Despite the samba issues, I'm finding Tiger great, I like spotlight a lot and the tools I use (NeoOffice/J , FCP, email, browsing, a bit of terminal, dreamweaver & fireworks) are all working fine. No hangs, no kernel panics.

DannyD

Tiger is great.Ms office and it's updates work just fine.Wifi is just fine.The new finder is brilliant.Stop moaning.

L1011

hughchal wrote:

Is that because software writers haven't released Tiger-friendly versions or is it because you've lost functionality?

My own Tiger experience has been good thus far with ONE exception - my SMB shares are a little weird - I'm only getting partial directory listings, even though all the stuff is there. I thought 10.4.1 would have fixed it but it didn't.

Despite the samba issues, I'm finding Tiger great, I like spotlight a lot and the tools I use (NeoOffice/J , FCP, email, browsing, a bit of terminal, dreamweaver & fireworks) are all working fine. No hangs, no kernel panics.

I've lost functionality. I can no longer use any application that uses the system provided http/ftp access layers (part of webcore, I guess) to get on the net through an NTLM proxy that Panther supported. I have to use a reproxying agent thats written in Python and is an utter resource hog

Also, besides that, Firefox feels a -LOT- slower on Tiger than on Panther; and neither Safari or Opera can view all sites the that I need.

L1011

DannyD wrote:

Tiger is great.Ms office and it's updates work just fine.Wifi is just fine.The new finder is brilliant.Stop moaning.

Ask around a bit. Wifi is not 'just fine'

Many, many people are having serious signal degradation issues, and the menubar applet isn't updating with signal strenght reliably. I've updated the firmware on my router, even though no other machine was getting problems, and nothings changed - the wifi drivers are significantly busted for many, many people.

Don't own Office, depise Finder anyway.

dub45

DannyD wrote:

Tiger is great.Ms office and it's updates work just fine.Wifi is just fine.The new finder is brilliant.Stop moaning.

I am giving my experience of a product that costs 129 euro and compared to its predecessor is lamentable and so far has wasted a considerable amount of my time. I would be only too happy if it worked.

I am sure all these people will immediately stop moaning as per your instruction!

daveirl

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dub45

daveirl wrote:

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I am replying to you from a powerbook with panther (wireless connection) which I am blissfully happy with:) but I would advise you to wait a while at least until Tiger is sorted out (the more I read though that may be quite a while away :rolleyes:) and there is always the possibility of the G5 powerbook appearing soon

daveirl

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Hugh_C

dub45 wrote:

I am giving my experience of a product that costs 129 euro and compared to its predecessor is lamentable and so far has wasted a considerable amount of my time. I would be only too happy if it worked.

I am sure all these people will immediately stop moaning as per your instruction!

Referring to these people is not exactly a fair representation of what's happening "out there". Scanning the discussions (I too have asked questions in there) and pulling out one at random - some person is having trouble with ftp because she doesn't understand the ports used for passive ftp and how to implement this stuff on her router as opposd to her built-in firewall. Fair enough it's a problem, but not a bug per se. I guess if you're going to look in a place which discusses problems, you're not going to find too much that's positive.

The point I'm trying to make is that you mostly only ever read about the PROBLEMS, so most of the comment is negative. There isn't the inspiration to write glowing reports unless you're paid by ars technica or someone.

I am not an Apple apologist - I've been f*cked over by them in relation to hardware - but I think that Tiger being a farce is a bit extreme. Your experience sounds particularly nasty - no idea why your wireless has gone to the dogs. In total contrast, mine is still as good as it was under Panther, and my machines are fairly ancient (1999 and 2002). I've had no kernel panics (unlike 10.3.9). The transition from Mail 1.0 to 2.0 was flawless and easy. My apache stuff all still works. Your mileage may vary, as they say...