"no-smoking" newagents

joolsveer

I like to read the odd newspaper and magazine but I don't like to buy them in shops where tobacco products are sold. Does anyone know of a newsagents (apart from Easons) where they do not push the nicotine drug? I would prefer the shop to be in the D7 or 15 areas.

petes

joolsveer wrote:

I like to read the odd newspaper and magazine but I don't like to buy them in shops where tobacco products are sold. Does anyone know of a newsagents (apart from Easons) where they do not push the nicotine drug? I would prefer the shop to be in the D7 or 15 areas.

just dont buy the smokes. whats the prob.

Canis Lupus

joolsveer wrote:

I like to read the odd newspaper and magazine but I don't like to buy them in shops where tobacco products are sold. Does anyone know of a newsagents (apart from Easons) where they do not push the nicotine drug? I would prefer the shop to be in the D7 or 15 areas.

Unless your giving up cigarettes thats the oddest principle I have ever come across but to each to their own.

segadreamcast

I'd be interested to know this myself.

dregin

What's odd about not wanting to support shops who make a profit from killing people slowly?

Chalk

ive been in countless newsies and not once have any of them ever pushed tobacco to me.

joolsveer

I'm a nicotine addict so I would like to avoid "occasions of sin". I could say I'm a recovering addict but it's supposed to be more addictive than heroin so I reckon I'll never be completely off them.

the_syco

When one of my mates was giving them up, he would go into a shop to get a bottle of water, sweets, or whatever, and when he bought it, he'd also buy cig's. He'd only relaise when he came out of the shop, about his accident.

Thus, I'd say the OP doesn't want any cig's, as he's bought them by accident.

Habit, i think its called.

Canis Lupus

When I gave up cigarettes for a good few months (went back on em again eventually) What I used to do was bring the exact amount needed to buy what I wanted in the shop and no more so I couldn't buy the cigarettes even if I wanted to.

Worked for me. Altho I like cigarettes to wanna give up again for the time being.

petes

well i dont know any newsagents that say "oh would you like some cigarettes with that pack of meanies"

quarryman

so you've no problem with newsagents that push Heroin then?

toiletduck

i see no problem with shops selling a product that is perfectly legal

Serbian

joolsveer wrote:

I like to read the odd newspaper and magazine but I don't like to buy them in shops where tobacco products are sold. Does anyone know of a newsagents (apart from Easons) where they do not push the nicotine drug? I would prefer the shop to be in the D7 or 15 areas.

Places like Tower Records and HMV sell magazines and don't sell cigarettes but I'm not sure if there are any of them in the areas specified.

Eoin

dregin wrote:

What's odd about not wanting to support shops who make a profit from killing people slowly?

The people who buy them are doing it to themselves. The profit margin on smokes is not nearly as much as other products, but if they weren't to sell them then smokers wouldn't shop there.

Why not avoid Newsagents who sell soft drinks full of sugar to make a profit from killing people slowly though obesity?

Draupnir

buy a herald from the black guy at Nephin Road police station. Will that suffice?

He wont sell ya smokes but it might be possible to bum one off him.

The General

joolsveer wrote:

I like to read the odd newspaper and magazine but I don't like to buy them in shops where tobacco products are sold. Does anyone know of a newsagents (apart from Easons) where they do not push the nicotine drug? I would prefer the shop to be in the D7 or 15 areas.

Stupid :rolleyes:

StupidLikeAFox

A lot of people are presuming that the OP wants to avoid these shops in protest that they are selling cig's. This may/may not be the case, there could be a multitude of reasons

pickarooney

Get a subscription?

Kali

Quite obviously these newsagents are contributing to the next Holocaust.

http://www.viewaskew.com/clerks/gumrep.html

joolsveer

eoin_s wrote:

Why not avoid Newsagents who sell soft drinks full of sugar to make a profit from killing people slowly though obesity?

Tobacco has no known beneficial use unlike a drink which may quench your thirst.
The only use for cigarettes is to cause death.
If newsagents were not pushing cigarettes why would they have all the ciggy adverts?

base2

Jesus. People like you give non-smokers a bad name. I actually feel like taking up smoking just to disassociate myself from your kind.

JackKelly

ColHol wrote:

A lot of people are presuming that the OP wants to avoid these shops in protest that they are selling cig's. This may/may not be the case, there could be a multitude of reasons

Christ, exactly. Give him a break. It could be for any reason. Although if it is infact, in protest to the selling of cig's in general, than thats fairly sad.

The_Bullman

joolsveer wrote:

Tobacco has no known beneficial use

it makes you look cool. In my case that's a benifical use

Blisterman

People should be able to smoke if they want. As long as they do it at home where they're not blowing smoke in other peoples faces.

StupidLikeAFox

ColHol wrote:

A lot of people are presuming that the OP wants to avoid these shops in protest that they are selling cig's. This may/may not be the case, there could be a multitude of reasons

joolsveer wrote:

Tobacco has no known beneficial use unlike a drink which may quench your thirst.
The only use for cigarettes is to cause death.
If newsagents were not pushing cigarettes why would they have all the ciggy adverts?

Yeah, i stand corrected. Im goin for a cig.

DublinWriter

joolsveer wrote:

I like to read the odd newspaper and magazine but I don't like to buy them in shops where tobacco products are sold. Does anyone know of a newsagents (apart from Easons) where they do not push the nicotine drug? I would prefer the shop to be in the D7 or 15 areas.

I smoke 40 a day but I don't like to buy cigarettes in shops where products of the Murdoch empire are also being sold. Does anyone know of a newsagents (apart from Easons) where they do not push products promoting the illegal war in Iraq? I would prefare the shop to be in the Gumdrop lane or La-La land areas.

DublinWriter

joolsveer wrote:

Tobacco has no known beneficial use unlike a drink which may quench your thirst.

Yes it has, it calms me down long enough to surpress the urge to give you a slap.

joolsveer wrote:

The only use for cigarettes is to cause death.

Death is an inevitable consequence of living. I think what you meant to say was that cigarettes may speed up your eventual demise. Sure, not smoking may add years onto your life, but the years gained are usually the nappy-wearing/alzheimer/dribbling-into-your-porridge years.

BTW, I thought the Lifestyle-Nazis were obsessing about food these days?

The General

joolsveer wrote:

Tobacco has no known beneficial use unlike a drink which may quench your thirst.
The only use for cigarettes is to cause death.
If newsagents were not pushing cigarettes why would they have all the ciggy adverts?

They advertise newspapers, id say you could probably kill someone with a newspaper

joolsveer

Blisterman wrote:

People should be able to smoke if they want. As long as they do it at home where they're not blowing smoke in other peoples faces.

I don't object to smokers. I am only objecting to the pushers - not the addicts (as I am one myself).

joolsveer

base2 wrote:

Jesus. People like you give non-smokers a bad name. I actually feel like taking up smoking just to disassociate myself from your kind.

Is there a need for profanity?

StupidLikeAFox

joolsveer wrote:

I don't object to smokers. I am only objecting to the pushers - not the addicts (as I am one myself).

Ah, the old "ive got a problem, lets blame someone else" attitude. Gotcha.

DonkeyStyle \o/

Will people ever go and learn the difference between "dealer" and "pusher".
I've never felt pressured to buy cigs from the shop attendant... I've never looked at a smoking add and thought "ooh that looks good, think I'll take up smoking... I know they give you cancer, but hey, this product placement really hit the spot!"
I've also heard that shops make only a pittance out of selling cigs, and afaik, they're hardly worth the space they occupy.

Kernel

DublinWriter wrote:

Yes it has, it calms me down long enough to surpress the urge to give you a slap.

Cigs don't calm you down, they calm down your need for nicotine. If you quit smoking you would always be 'calm' (or normal as non-smokers say).

To the OP, if your willpower is that weak that you cannot shop in a newsagents without buying smokes, then you need to address that problem to have success in staying off them. I recommend Allen Carr's EASYWAY book.

nesf

joolsveer wrote:

I don't object to smokers. I am only objecting to the pushers - not the addicts (as I am one myself).

Um. I'm a very heavy smoker. Need to quit, very bad for me etc.

I've no illusions about whose fault it is.

You on the other hand....

BuffyBot

Is there a need for profanity?

There is always a need for profanity!

Talliesin

dregin wrote:

What's odd about not wanting to support shops who make a profit from killing people slowly?

Given the poor markup to the retailer on cigarettes the primary reason for selling them isn't the profit on them themselves, but that if they didn't smokers would go to another shop that sold cigarettes and buy their papers, milk, confectionary etc. there at the same time.

Hitchhiker's Guide to...

Not sure if its in the area you specified, but the shops in St. James hospital don't sell cigarettes, and do sell newspapers...

joolsveer

nesf wrote:

Um. I'm a very heavy smoker. Need to quit, very bad for me etc.

I've no illusions about whose fault it is.

You on the other hand....

I agree. I stopped smoking in 1982 and I don't think that the damage I did to my lungs will ever be repaired. I have no desire to stop anyone else from smoking but I feel if shops which sell comics and sweets did not sell cigarettes it might help children not to take up smoking. Why not have tobacconist shops as they have on the mainland. I started smoking when I was in secondary school. I used buy a fag and a match in the local small shop. There was no enforcement of the law against selling cigarettes to children then. I don't know if that situation has improved as recently I saw a child of 10 or 12 buying a packet of cigarettes in a petrol filling station. When I asked the shop assistant about this he told me the pack was for the child's parent.

toiletduck

joolsveer wrote:

Tobacco has no known beneficial use unlike a drink which may quench your thirst.
The only use for cigarettes is to cause death.

actually im reading Prof. Robert Winston's book "The Human Mind" and in it he mentions that studies have shown that nicotine improves short term memory and smokers are much less likely to get Alzeimhers. Thought it was interesting but could be crap, i dont know.

Wibbs

joolsveer wrote:

I stopped smoking in 1982 and I don't think that the damage I did to my lungs will ever be repaired/Why not have tobacconist shops as they have on the mainland.

If you still have damage to your lungs over 20yrs later, being an ex smoker is the least of your worries. Also your claim to be still an addict after such a time would give me further concern.

What pray tell is the "mainland" that you are referring to? That little island beside us is it? :rolleyes: BTW there are tobacconists in this country. Foxs and pedersons at the bottom of Grafton street spring readily to mind.

Originally Posted by dregin
What's odd about not wanting to support shops who make a profit from killing people slowly?

Everything kills you slowly. Breathing kills you slowly by oxidation. The very act of living hastens your end. Think of that the next time you tuck into a doughnut. A lifetime of them will kill you just as quickly, if not more so than the "demon weed".

toiletduck makes a good point as many studies have shown nicotine to have a positive result in the reduction in alzheimers/parkinsons/OCD and many other ilnesses.

Originally Posted by Kernel
Cigs don't calm you down, they calm down your need for nicotine. If you quit smoking you would always be 'calm' (or normal as non-smokers say).

Partially true. A couple of studies found that nicotine patches administered to kids with OCD/disruptive behaviour had a similar effect to Ritilin with few of the side effects. That would suggest, in some people at least that smoking/nicotine would have a calming effect. It is of note that many psychiatric patients self dose with nicotine at a much higher rate than the general population. It was one of the reasons that psychiatric hospitals were left out of Herr martins anti smoking bill.

BizzyC

joolsveer wrote:

Tobacco has no known beneficial use unlike a drink which may quench your thirst.
The only use for cigarettes is to cause death.
If newsagents were not pushing cigarettes why would they have all the ciggy adverts?

They don't???? It's illegal to advertise cigarettes.

Plus, the kids smoking, aren't smoking cause the cigarretes happen to be in the same shop as their sweets.......
Most of them are getting older people to buy for them, which would still happen if cigarretes were limited to tabacco shops.

D'you really expect shop owners to lose a lot of customers by not selling cigarretes? It's just not economical to not sell them.

jor el

joolsveer wrote:

Why not have tobacconist shops as they have on the mainland.

Where do you live, Craggy Island? If you're referring to mainland Europe then I'm afraid to tell you that you can actually buy cigarettes in newsagents there too, it's not limited to tobacconists.

If you're trying to avoid the temptation of buying cigs because you've quit then good luck, but avoiding them is next to impossible these days. A boycott on tobacco sellers is probably pointless as you can buy cigs almost everywhere.

seamus

Talliesin wrote:

Given the poor markup to the retailer on cigarettes the primary reason for selling them isn't the profit on them themselves, but that if they didn't smokers would go to another shop that sold cigarettes and buy their papers, milk, confectionary etc. there at the same time.

That's exactly it. It's probably not even worthwhile selling the cigarettes alone.

The fact of the matter is, if a shop specifically stopped selling cigarettes, they'd become known as "the shop that doesn't sell cigarettes", and 30% (that's how many people smoke, right?) of their potential customers will say "No, I'm not going in there, they don't sell cigarettes", and will go elsewhere for their petrol, bread, milk, etc etc.

I wouldn't criticise any shopkeeper for selling cigarettes. They are trying to run a business after all - they're no more "pushing" cigarettes to smokers than they are "pushing" sweets to kids.

joolsveer

Wibbs wrote:

What pray tell is the "mainland" that you are referring to? That little island beside us is it? :rolleyes: BTW there are tobacconists in this country. Foxs and pedersons at the bottom of Grafton street spring readily to mind.
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I am referring to countries like France and Italy on the mainland of Europe rather than to another offshore island.

Wibbs

Glad you cleared the mainland thing up. Funny thing is that both those countries you mention have much lower rates of heart disease and lung cancer yet smoke way more than us.

Now would I be so bold as to ask for your explanation as to why after 23 years you still consider yourself an addict? Given that nicotine leaves the body within days of giving up. I appreciate that the psychological dependance certainly continues for longer, but 23 years? hardly.

Even more puzzling is what you feel to be the damage wrought on your lungs. Damage that you feel still affects you to this day. Now from your posts you say that you started to smoke in secondary school and then quit in 1982. This would put you in at least your mid forties. By that reckoning you would have been smoking for a very short time. Too short indeed to have caused any lasting damage. If you are older than that may I suggest you enjoy your life and forget about your smoking all those years ago, as any "damage" you speak of was already present or may be simply a by product of natural aging

To put things in perspective, one researcher found that people who gave up before they were 40 had pretty much the same likelyhood of getting lung cancer after 50 as a lifetime non smoker. Now this is lung cancer we're talking about here. One of the few diseases that smoking has been proven to be a cause/co-factor. Even then between 15-20% of lung cancers occur in lifelong non smokers.

So after 23 years do you not think you may be slightly exagerating the damage? Even the antis go along with this theory. They constantly crow on about how after only a few day/weeks after giving up, lung/heart function returns to normal and that after a year off them you're pretty much on a level par with lifetime non smokers. Hard to reconcile that with the danger they purport is caused by smoking in the first place. Then again some antis are rather like some vegans, in that logic and good sense regularly leave the argument.

Blisterman

I don't really see the point of smoking. At least drugs get you high.

egan007

joolsveer wrote:

I like to read the odd newspaper and magazine but I don't like to buy them in shops where tobacco products are sold. Does anyone know of a newsagents (apart from Easons) where they do not push the nicotine drug? I would prefer the shop to be in the D7 or 15 areas.

Presumably if you are a catholic then you don't like chemists that sell condoms?

joolsveer

egan007 wrote:

Presumably if you are a catholic then you don't like chemists that sell condoms?

What is the evidence that catholics don't like condoms? (or chemists)

whippet

I assume the OP does not frequent public houses that sell cigs too.

Wibbs

joolsveer wrote:

What is the evidence that catholics don't like condoms? (or chemists)

Well theological opposition to contraception is part and parcel of the catholic faith, so if one was to describe oneself as an adherent of said faith surely that would imply some displeasure regarding condoms? Or something.....

Now where that leaves us with regard to smoking or the promotion of same in shops, I can't say. Unless you're one of these foolhardy chappies who smoke during safe sex(while in a shop). In which case my hat's off to ya.

beller b

Jeez where do we get some of these posters????
I don't drink Fat Frogs, but I would be left thirsty looking for a pub that doesn't sell them?
I don't wear womens clothes (HONESTLY!) does that men I don't go into Dunnes Stores!
I really don't care what the shop sells , if what I want is there I buy it...The ones that do get on my wick are the whingers with the "Don't read the magazines", whats that about.. If you went into Burtons or Bests & they said don't look at the clothes would you buy anything????