Playstation 3 Unveiled

lateasever

[URL=http://]gamesradar.msn.co.uk/news/default.asp?pagetypeid=2&articleid=35813&subsectionid=1585[/URL]

so there it is: To describe the realtime graphics seen in the footage as mind blowing would be an understatement. Everything from character models to texture detail on the most incidental objects was absolutely stunning. It has to be seen to be believed.

what do ya think?

lateasever

sorry bad link, easy to find though

the_syco

http://gamesradar.msn.co.uk/news/default.asp?pagetypeid=2&articleid=35813&subsectionid=1585

A working link!

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"CPU is 35 times faster than the PS2’s 128-bit Emotion Engine, and twice as fast as Xbox 360’s processor"

Heh.

"The machine will support a range of disc media, including DVD and Blu-ray, and will be fully backwards compatible."

Nice, esp cos blu-ray is not yet fully everywhere.

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Funnist thing was the Xbox ad at the bottom of the page, tho:D

Giblet

Twice as fast at what though.

skywalker

Exactly. It says its twice as fast as the xbox 360's processor, but doesnt the xbox 360 have 3 processors? so are they pulling a fast one?

vibe666

just been watching some of the vid demo's for it. killzone looks, er, i don't think there's a word for it yet.

here's one: amazabloodytastic.

gimme gimme gimme.

Funkstard

If you can, watch the killzone demo. Absolutely ****ing flabbergasted/moist after watching it

vibe666

ditto.

even the g/f was impressed!

bk

skywalker wrote:

Exactly. It says its twice as fast as the xbox 360's processor, but doesnt the xbox 360 have 3 processors? so are they pulling a fast one?

No the 360 has one CPU with 3 cores and yes there is a difference.

The PS3 has one CPU with 7 ancilliary processor units, which are about equivalent to a core.

The 360 CPU is a more general purpose processor, meaning it would do better at thing like word processing, etc.

The PS3 is a very specialised CPU designed specifically for processing video and graphics and to a certain extent physics routines. This should put the PS3 far ahead in games capaiblity and it does look like it is about twice as fast as 360 when it comes to games.

In the first generation of games the difference won't really be that noticeable, as it will take time for the programmers to get to grips with the new CPU architectures. The first generation of games will mostly only make use of the GPU's and not the CPU's. THe GPU's are roughly similiar in performance.

However you will likely see a big difference with the second generation of games.

Having read many E3 writeups, it seems to be the opinion of most that the 360 is more like a xbox 1.5, being just a bit better but not revolutionary, while the PS3 is mind blowingly powerful. The tech demos I watched certainly seemed like that.

The thing with the eyetoy and cups has to be one of the coolest things I have seen in years.

feliwilli

Yes it is three processors. Each one the same 3.2 ghz as the ps3's. Whats more they're intel. And hang on did some one say wireless media streaming from xp based pc's. The ps3 looks like a ps2. Have sony not heard of creativity. Xbox live straight out of the box. There is no competition. Face it, Microsoft is the worlds biggest corporation. Sony has missed again with the ps3. Xbox 360 is not just a console, its an entertainment system, rivalling Dells xps. Dream on sony

feliwilli

Oh yes and i forgot HDTV support. Its more than games

kinkstr

feliwilli wrote:

Yes it is three processors. Each one the same 3.2 ghz as the ps3's. Whats more they're intel. And hang on did some one say wireless media streaming from xp based pc's. The ps3 looks like a ps2. Have sony not heard of creativity. Xbox live straight out of the box. There is no competition. Face it, Microsoft is the worlds biggest corporation. Sony has missed again with the ps3. Xbox 360 is not just a console, its an entertainment system, rivalling Dells xps. Dream on sony

What you mean sony has missed again, the ps, ps2 and the psp, there hardly "misses" now are they. I would'nt compare the 360 to a dell xps, thats just dirty

TerrorFirmer

feliwilli wrote:

Yes it is three processors. Each one the same 3.2 ghz as the ps3's. Whats more they're intel. And hang on did some one say wireless media streaming from xp based pc's. The ps3 looks like a ps2. Have sony not heard of creativity. Xbox live straight out of the box. There is no competition. Face it, Microsoft is the worlds biggest corporation. Sony has missed again with the ps3. Xbox 360 is not just a console, its an entertainment system, rivalling Dells xps. Dream on sony

Now, I love the Xbox as much as the next guy. But.....

...lol.

Illuvatar

Hold on let me just soak this in and point and laugh at how miniscule the xbox is compared to the PS3.
I think feliwille is a little scared.

*points and laughs at feliwilli and xbox*
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH!!!!

Ciaran500

feliwilli wrote:

Yes it is three processors. Each one the same 3.2 ghz as the ps3's. Whats more they're intel. And hang on did some one say wireless media streaming from xp based pc's. The ps3 looks like a ps2. Have sony not heard of creativity. Xbox live straight out of the box. There is no competition. Face it, Microsoft is the worlds biggest corporation. Sony has missed again with the ps3. Xbox 360 is not just a console, its an entertainment system, rivalling Dells xps. Dream on sony

I has one processor with 3 cores. There made by IBM. Just like PS3. It looks worse IMO . Creativity? what uncreative about the PS3, even the specs are very creative . Just like PS3. Yes there is, the PS3 and Revolution are the competition. Congrats?. Missed what?. OMG, it rivals a crappy overpriced PC :eek:

qz

That Killzone trailer is astounding, it better not be rendered!

Ciaran500

qz wrote:

it better not be rendered!

That argument went on here:http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=257463&page=1&pp=20

IMO its not indicative of what the game will look like.

projectmayhem

feliwilli wrote:

Yes it is three processors. Each one the same 3.2 ghz as the ps3's. Whats more they're intel. And hang on did some one say wireless media streaming from xp based pc's. The ps3 looks like a ps2. Have sony not heard of creativity. Xbox live straight out of the box. There is no competition. Face it, Microsoft is the worlds biggest corporation. Sony has missed again with the ps3. Xbox 360 is not just a console, its an entertainment system, rivalling Dells xps. Dream on sony

HHAHAHAHAHAHHA

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20050517/sce103.jpg

does that look like a ps2 to you? because the xbox360 looks more like a ps2... if the ps2 was made by apple, that is.

and GE is the worlds biggest corporation.

name 1 thing the xbox does that the ps3 doesn't. you're a sore loser.

Keyzer

projectmayhem wrote:

HHAHAHAHAHAHHA

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20050517/sce103.jpg

does that look like a ps2 to you? because the xbox360 looks more like a ps2... if the ps2 was made by apple, that is.

and GE is the worlds biggest corporation.

name 1 thing the xbox does that the ps3 doesn't. you're a sore loser.

Wow, looks like the controllers have anti-gravity functionality too...

bk

feliwilli wrote:

Yes it is three processors. Each one the same 3.2 ghz as the ps3's. Whats more they're intel. And hang on did some one say wireless media streaming from xp based pc's. The ps3 looks like a ps2. Have sony not heard of creativity. Xbox live straight out of the box. There is no competition. Face it, Microsoft is the worlds biggest corporation. Sony has missed again with the ps3. Xbox 360 is not just a console, its an entertainment system, rivalling Dells xps. Dream on sony

I'm afraid I need to correct you there. The 360 uses an IBM Power PC processor, in fact all three consoles use IBM power PC processors, however Sony's is more specialised.

The 360 has only one CPU with three cores. The Sony has one CPU, with 7 very specialised subsidary processors. The Sony one is much more powerful.

About HD, Sony has actually much better HD support.

The 360 only goes up to the resolution of 1080i, while the PS3 goes upto 1080p, which is twice the number of frames per second over 1080i.

Also the PS3 has a Blu-Ray disc reader, while the 360 only uses standard DVD. Blu-Ray can support up to 50GB capacity (DVD only 8GB) and it is likely to be the format that the new HD movies are going to be coming on.

Finally the PS3 has two HDMI ports. HDMI is the new connector that is going to be used in almost all new HD TV's and Sony can drive two of these TV's, allowing you to spread a game across two 50" screens :eek:

It is funny, MS are going on about HD this and HD that, but it is Sony that has the much better HD story, yet they are playing down and putting far more attention on the games where it rightfully belongs.

Ciaran500

bk wrote:

It is funny, MS are going on about HD this and HD that, but it is Sony that has the much better HD story, yet they are playing down and putting far more attention on the games where it rightfully belongs.

Explain?

bk

Ciaran500 wrote:

Explain?

Sure, from what I read and saw the PS3 beats the 360 in HD features.

1)

The PS3 supports
Screen size: 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p

The 360 supports:
Screen size: 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i

The last one 1080p is much better then 1080i, the difference is 60fps versus 30fps.

Now there are no TV's out yet that support 1080p, but they will start coming out later this year and I expect Sony will flood the market with PS3 ready 1080p LCD and Plasmas next year.

2)

The PS3 comes with 2 HDMI ports. HDMI is the new connector interface that is being used on all the new HD TV's. It is very big in the AV world.

The PS3 can actually drive 2 HD TV's at the same time using these, with potentially having the game spread across both screens.

3)

The PS3 comes with a BluRay drive, while the 360 only comes with a standard DVD drive.

BluRay is one of two competing formats (the other being HD-DVD) for new High Definition DVD's. Most in the AV world expect BluRay to win this format war, because it has much better technology, it will scale upto much higher capacitys (upto 200GB on 8 layers!!) and has much greater industry support.

Therefore most HD movies will be coming out in this format in the future. At best the 360 can only cheat at doing HD movies on DVD using WMV and with no space for extras, etc.

BTW BluRay can store 50GB of data, compared to 8.5GB on DVD.

So you see Sony's HD technology is much better. HOwever interestingly in the press conference, they didn't really fous on it. Instead they focused on the games.

Ciaran500

bk wrote:

The last one 1080p is much better then 1080i, the difference is 60fps versus 30fps.

The difference is not that great.

bk wrote:

Now there are no TV's out yet that support 1080p, but they will start coming out later this year and I expect Sony will flood the market with PS3 ready 1080p LCD and Plasmas next year.

Sony don't make their own panels, its not up to them.

bk wrote:

The PS3 comes with 2 HDMI ports. HDMI is the new connector interface that is being used on all the new HD TV's. It is very big in the AV world.

The PS3 can actually drive 2 HD TV's at the same time using these, with potentially having the game spread across both screens.

HDMI is not big yet. Its only starting out. How many poeple do you know with one Hi def screen, yet alone two in the same room, side by side.

bk wrote:

BluRay is one of two competing formats (the other being HD-DVD) for new High Definition DVD's. Most in the AV world expect BluRay to win this format war, because it has much better technology, it will scale upto much higher capacitys (upto 200GB on 8 layers!!) and has much greater industry support.

Most in the AV world? :rolleyes: The support between HD DVD and Blu ray is vey split.

Citizen_Erased

can i skip all you mumbo jumbo comparing one turd to another in a world of godlike pc and ask has anyone else noticed that it looks more like a toaster than a lean , mean , game eating machine . It looks like it was designed by morphy richards and hope to god that is a rnder then.

bk

You asked me why Sony's HD story was better and I told you. You seem to be just looking for excusses why 360 has less.

Ciaran500 wrote:

The difference is not that great.

As a AV fan I can tell you that the difference is very big. Currently people are trying to decide between 720p and 1080i. 1080i has a higher resolution, but 720p has better picture quality.

This problem goes away with 1080p, with this you get both higher resolution and the better picture quality offered by progressive.

Ciaran500 wrote:

Sony don't make their own panels, its not up to them.

Not entirely true, sony contract others to make the panels for them, Samsung have 1080p screens on the way this year. Over the 5 year lifespan of PS3/360 1080p screens will come the norm for all HD TVs.

Ciaran500 wrote:

HDMI is not big yet. Its only starting out. How many poeple do you know with one Hi def screen, yet alone two in the same room, side by side.

But again you are thinking today rather then the 5 year lifespan of these consoles. HDMI will be the standard on all HD TV's next year. DVD players with HDMI are already out (for as little as €150). Sony and MS design their consoles with technology for 5 years, not just today.

Ciaran500 wrote:

Most in the AV world? :rolleyes: The support between HD DVD and Blu ray is vey split.

Lets see.

Computer companies: Dell, HP, Apple and Sony have all said they will support and sell BD in thier computers. (along with drive makers LG, Pioneer and Yamaha). 80% of all computers sold are made by one of these companies.

Consumer Electronics Companies: Sony, Philips, Pioneer, Panasonic (Matsu****a - Haha, the Japanese name of Panasonics parent company got **** becuase it included shlt , LG, Samsung and most other companies support BD. Only Toshiba and Sanyo are supporting HD-DVD. BD has much higher support from CE companies.

Movie Companies: Universal and Time Warner are going to support HD-DVD. Sony, Disney and Fox are supporting BD. This is where their is about equal support.

With the PS3, it is going to put millions of HD players in peoples homes next year. There is no way the movie companies will resist selling movies to all these people. PS2 helped sell DVD's in a big way to mainstream audiences. PS3 is likely to do the same for BD.

Anyway the 360 doesn't support HD-DVD, it only supports DVD. I'd rather have a HD player that at least has some chance of winning the format war, then non at all.

Illuvatar

Citizen_Erased wrote:

can i skip all you mumbo jumbo comparing one turd to another in a world of godlike pc and ask has anyone else noticed that it looks more like a toaster than a lean , mean , game eating machine . It looks like it was designed by morphy richards and hope to god that is a rnder then.

I was going to say the same thing about the xbox, but it would make it go from bad to disgusting.

You know exactly what you're talking about bk.

antifyre

News is this thing is gonna retail for 50K yen.....or $465 (which with the way Sony has crapped all over Europe recently, will translate into €465!)

RuggieBear

bloody fanbois...

Think i'll wait till the bloody things are realeased and see how many pennies i might be able to scrounge together...

cormhag

what are all the xboxers on about. the ps3 is more powerful. its an accepted fact. i saw an interview with a microsoft guy and he was asked about the ps3 being more powerful. His answer? that doesnt matter, its the games that matter. and xbox was never really able to compete in terms of great games, except for a few notable exceptions. the graphics processor for ps3 is twice as powerful as the most powerful pc chip (500 bucks a pop) so it not only competes with the xps .it blows it out of the water!

Ciaran500

What is with the comparisons with XPS, they're not eactly the most powerful PC's available.

EDIT: The graphics card in the Xbox360 will be more powerful BTW. You really sound like you don't know what you are talking about.

Corben Dallas

Sony don't make their own panels, its not up to them.

Thats just weak ciaran, so what yur saying is that Sony makes TV, Plamsas LCD Tv's and they have no control over the HD format that they will support in the futrue.
They might subcontract out the manufacture of the panels/tubes but u can be sure they ask for and get teh panels that will support HD in future Sony
AV products.

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Plus as with a lot of forums Xbox supporters and MS cultists just cant seem to accept that (the widely held industry beilef) that PS3 will be the (much) more powerful machine for this 'next gen' of consoles.

iregk

Good god people. Here we are killing each other because this chip is faster than that chip. This can produce 7billion thingymagigs where as that can only produce 6billion... Nobody has played either so just let it go.

As recent history tells us though the most powerful machine rarely wins!!! PS -v- Saturn -v- N64, PS2 -v- Dreamcast -v- XBOX the weaker machine has won out on the last two occasions. Interesting fact don't you think...

cormhag

Ciaran500 wrote:

What is with the comparisons with XPS, they're not eactly the most powerful PC's available.

EDIT: The graphics card in the Xbox360 will be more powerful BTW. You really sound like you don't know what you are talking about.

I tera :rolleyes: flop xbox 360. 2 teraflops ps3

Ciaran500

cormhag wrote:

I tera :rolleyes: flop xbox 360. 2 teraflops ps3

There is alot more to CPU power than floating point calculations. :rolleyes:

steviec

iregk wrote:

PS -v- Saturn -v- N64, PS2 -v- Dreamcast -v- XBOX the weaker machine has won out on the last two occasions. Interesting fact don't you think...

Hmm the machine with Playstation branding has also won out on the last two occassions! So, based on that logic, the universe is likely to implode on itself during the next generation due to this massive conflict!

Loobz

This thread is laughable tbh :rolleyes:
Why dont ye all just wait for both consoles to come out, play a few games on each. Nobody here can say which is better. Nobody. lmfao.

At least we can all find a good use for our tired PS2's.

iregk

steviec wrote:

Hmm the machine with Playstation branding has also won out on the last two occassions! So, based on that logic, the universe is likely to implode on itself during the next generation due to this massive conflict!

Ehhh yes exactly. The weaker machine on both accounts.

Anyhow can we not all just wait to see what they can do instead of having wet dreams about a cell processor you know nothing about versus a core processor you also know nothing about!!!