where can i get a cheap satellite system

markmiller321

where can i get a cheap fta satellite system similar to lidl one ,except with an 80cm dish in ireland.

cormacl

Check this topic..
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=155714

I realise you indicated "in Ireland".. but the cheapest way of getting equipment is to get from outsie of Ireland.

Tony

cormacl wrote:

I realise you indicated "in Ireland".. but the cheapest way of getting equipment is to get from outsie of Ireland.

I beg to differ

markmiller321

i looked at all the websites on the sticky thread list but none seem to be below €300 excluding delivery. i dont have a credit card so most websites are useless to me.

vsat

You pay for quality.

Tony

markmiller321 wrote:

i looked at all the websites on the sticky thread list but none seem to be below €300 excluding delivery. i dont have a credit card so most websites are useless to me.

I have seen plenty of sites on the net that offer receiver and dish similar to lidl for less than 250 euro. You do not need a credit card always as some sites allow you to pay in advance by cheque or postal order.

seano

Tony wrote:

I have seen plenty of sites on the net that offer receiver and dish similar to lidl for less than 250 euro. You do not need a credit card always as some sites allow you to pay in advance by cheque or postal order.

Just say it how it is Tony.!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

For under 250 euro you have a much better quaility pakket by any decent satellite (online) retailer inside or outside of Ireland.
If the sets by the Lidl were so good every satellite retailer would be selling them.
What the lidl does is sells B products for B prices.
Satellite retailers sell A products for B prices !!!!!!!!!

cormacl

Mark,
without a credit card, you are indeed limiting yourself.. but probably could arrange for postal of a cheque or bank draft payment ahead of shipping by phone.

But to expand on my earlier comment and one that "was begged to differ"..

Here's what I got from one German site.. just by selecting some equipment.. I
was concentrating on a 2-LNB solution in 80cm for Astra1 & Hotbird.. and looking for decent and recommended equipment as opposed to the cheapest noname brands possible.

1 129,00 129,00 Topfield TF 5000 CI "Brandneu"
1 12,00 12,00 Multifeed Gibertini 2-fach variabel
2 15,00 30,00 Humax universal single LNB 0,3 dB 110 G
1 44,00 44,00 Gibertini Antenne 85cm grau
1 39,00 39,00 Wandhalter 80cm
30 0,55 16,50 Koaxkabel 7mm
1 13,00 13,00 Jager 2/1
10 0,50 5,00 F-Stecker 7mm mit Dichtung
1 13,00 13,00 Satfinder SAT-Master
UPS Delivery €25

Total €326

Thats a twin-CI Topfield 5000 + 85cm Gilbertini dish, 2 LNBs, twin-LNB bracket, 30 metres cable, 80cm wall bracket, a Jager diseqC switch, 10 connectors and basic sat finder meter.. all this for an assumed self-install. UPS delivery to Ireland is €25.. total €326

I selected Gilbertini because in Germany, they have a good rep for lasting German weather better than the cheaper nonames that are also available... which has heavy show/rain in Winter and then heat extremes in summer. Also strong cross-winds in some of the less mountaineous parts

So lets hear how we can match this in Ireland.. for example.. from one site and probably the best priced/regarded that I know of in Ireland..

30m CT 100 €21.90
Satfinder satellite meter €12.38
2 Sharp budget LNB €33.04
8 F coaxial connectors Screw €4.96
Pay Tv receiver Strong 6355 €156.20
Hirschmann wallmount €23.97
Triax 80cm Dish €48.76
Diseq Switch 2 Way €15.69
Triax Multi LNB Holder €23.97
Subtotal €340.87
Handling €1.00
VAT €71.78
Total €413.65

Delivery not yet added.. but not assumed to be a lot.. but there you go.. not far off €100 more.

I have yet to find somewhere in Ireland that can beat the prices I got from Germany. For example, I bought a Dreambox 5620 receiver last November for €159 from Germany and the one place I found selling them here was asking for €299.

jm2k

cormacl wrote:

...I bought by Dreambox 5620 receiver for €159...

Interested in getting a Dreambox, where did u find a 5620 for that price?

cormacl

www.hm-sat.de

I just checked there now and it seems they are selling them for €209 with a bundled subscriptions to adult channels!.. but they have the 500S for 165.

The reason I got the 5620.. was that it had an RF out and 2xCI ports.. the 500 had no RF out and no CI.. has a card slot though and like all Dreamboxen can have various soft emus loaded to support lots of different cams and cards. My image of choice is Gemini.

Ronan|Raven

Gemini is indeed a fantastic image. Doesnt fill yer var with as much rubbish as the hydra images used to.

Tony

Your point is well made but lets compare like with like, the topfield is more in the palcom range than strong so 30 euro difference straight away and the gilbertini while a good antenna in nowhere near triax quality. Is the cable CT100 ? this can be crucial

Having said that the german companies can do better for several reasons including lower VAT rate and they get much better deals from suppliers because their domestic market is so much bigger and they get volume discounts.

I do however find threads like these very useful because it keeps us as competitive as possible in the Irish market situation and suggests alternatives which are sometimes cheaper.

Thanks for your post

cormacl wrote:

Mark,
without a credit card, you are indeed limiting yourself.. but probably could arrange for postal of a cheque or bank draft payment ahead of shipping by phone.

But to expand on my earlier comment and one that "was begged to differ"..

Here's what I got from one German site.. just by selecting some equipment.. I
was concentrating on a 2-LNB solution in 80cm for Astra1 & Hotbird.. and looking for decent and recommended equipment as opposed to the cheapest noname brands possible.

1 129,00 129,00 Topfield TF 5000 CI "Brandneu"
1 12,00 12,00 Multifeed Gibertini 2-fach variabel
2 15,00 30,00 Humax universal single LNB 0,3 dB 110 G
1 44,00 44,00 Gibertini Antenne 85cm grau
1 39,00 39,00 Wandhalter 80cm
30 0,55 16,50 Koaxkabel 7mm
1 13,00 13,00 Jager 2/1
10 0,50 5,00 F-Stecker 7mm mit Dichtung
1 13,00 13,00 Satfinder SAT-Master
UPS Delivery €25

Total €326

Thats a twin-CI Topfield 5000 + 85cm Gilbertini dish, 2 LNBs, twin-LNB bracket, 30 metres cable, 80cm wall bracket, a Jager diseqC switch, 10 connectors and basic sat finder meter.. all this for an assumed self-install. UPS delivery to Ireland is €25.. total €326

I selected Gilbertini because in Germany, they have a good rep for lasting German weather better than the cheaper nonames that are also available... which has heavy show/rain in Winter and then heat extremes in summer. Also strong cross-winds in some of the less mountaineous parts

So lets hear how we can match this in Ireland.. for example.. from one site and probably the best priced/regarded that I know of in Ireland..

30m CT 100 €21.90
Satfinder satellite meter €12.38
2 Sharp budget LNB €33.04
8 F coaxial connectors Screw €4.96
Pay Tv receiver Strong 6355 €156.20
Hirschmann wallmount €23.97
Triax 80cm Dish €48.76
Diseq Switch 2 Way €15.69
Triax Multi LNB Holder €23.97
Subtotal €340.87
Handling €1.00
VAT €71.78
Total €413.65

Delivery not yet added.. but not assumed to be a lot.. but there you go.. not far off €100 more.

I have yet to find somewhere in Ireland that can beat the prices I got from Germany. For example, I bought a Dreambox 5620 receiver last November for €159 from Germany and the one place I found selling them here was asking for €299.

cormacl

In terms of like with like...
Add €5 for a 78cm triax or €21 for an 88cm Triax
Add €3 for the triax LNB bracket

The cable is listed as 7mm 75dB.. I'm assuming that the 100 in CT100 is the dB rating.. but they only sell that in reels of 100m for €49..

For receiver, how about a Technisat digit CI2.. for €149.. ..add €20..

I think its still competitive

Tony

Yes competitive no arguement here but 7mm 75db (ohms perhaps) really tells you nothing about the cable. I could sell "satellite" cable (at least its marked satellite) for 10 cents a metre but I reckon this would be irresponsible.

I reckon we will only get true competition when VAT rates are harmonised (hopefully lower) and even then it will be difficult because of economies of scale. The only thing in favour of an Irish outlet is the lower cost of return in the unlikely event of a fault but I reckon this is a minor point as most makes are very reliable.

Still we shall keep trying

cormacl wrote:

In terms of like with like...
Add €5 for a 78cm triax or €21 for an 88cm Triax
Add €3 for the triax LNB bracket

The cable is listed as 7mm 75dB.. I'm assuming that the 100 in CT100 is the dB rating.. but they only sell that in reels of 100m for €49..

For receiver, how about a Technisat digit CI2.. for €149.. ..add €20..

I think its still competitive

Ronan|Raven

Also for the european stores they obviously have more scope within which to sell due to people in europe not being completly monopolised by $ky.

dublinli

come on guys (that is some of the equpment sellers on thsi forum), obviously it is much cheaper to get this equipment from germany, why do you argue about a bloody cable that might make a difference of 10 euro.
why don't u guys admit that you get most of your stuff from germany anyway.

vsat

Don't forget,
If equipment goes faulty, its easyer to go down the road,"Dublin" than Europe.
You end up paying more, and no reception.
Better of buying at home.

Tony

dublinli wrote:

come on guys (that is some of the equpment sellers on thsi forum), obviously it is much cheaper to get this equipment from germany, why do you argue about a bloody cable that might make a difference of 10 euro.
why don't u guys admit that you get most of your stuff from germany anyway.

not all our equipment comes from Germany, I argue about a cable because it may be the difference between a system working well or not at all.

You should check your facts before making such statements, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Tell me were your preceding 5 posts as well thought out as this one?

kramlq

Of all the shops I have checked in Ireland (several online and 1 'real' shop), Tony/satellite.ie are quite good for many items (certainly in comparison with other shops in Ireland).

Other places here are charging 30-60% more than the average price across europe. For example, I bought a Deltasat 1104 IRCI from Germany, as the official distributor in Ireland here was charging almost twice the price it sells for in germany. And with a refund I received due to a (correctable) problem,
in the end I only paid about 1/3 of the irish distributors price.

With price differences like that it is still a good deal in germany even if you have problems and have to get a replacement, but from my own experience I would highly recommend you be able to speak the language of the country you are ordering from.

Tony

twice the price in obviously too much and I cannot think of any local factors that would account for this.

A strange side effect of this is that people sometimes ring and ask about model numbers etc just to be sure about what they are buying as there seems to be a wide variation in prices in Ireland on things like diseq motors and lnb's. It seems there is a perception among some people that if its cheaper there must be something wrong?

Any views on this ?

kramlq wrote:

Of all the shops I have checked in Ireland (several online and 1 'real' shop), Tony/satellite.ie are quite good for many items (certainly in comparison with other shops in Ireland).

Other places here are charging 30-60% more than the average price across europe. For example, I bought a Deltasat 1104 IRCI from Germany, as the official distributor in Ireland here was charging almost twice the price it sells for in germany. And with a refund I received due to a (correctable) problem,
in the end I only paid about 1/3 of the irish distributors price.

With price differences like that it is still a good deal in germany even if you have problems and have to get a replacement, but from my own experience I would highly recommend you be able to speak the language of the country you are ordering from.

Capt'n Midnight

markmiller321 wrote:

where can i get a cheap fta satellite system similar to lidl one ,except with an 80cm dish in ireland.

Cheapest way is second hand. There might still be some old 90cm analog sky dishes out there - the oval ones that are taller than wide. You would have to change the LNB to a universal unless the only channels you wanted to watch were lower down.

dublinli

Tony wrote:

not all our equipment comes from Germany, I argue about a cable because it may be the difference between a system working well or not at all.

You should check your facts before making such statements, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Tell me were your preceding 5 posts as well thought out as this one?

to be honest tony you might be helping a lot of guys in this forum and that is fair enough but why don't you admit that there are still a lot of cowboys out there in this business in ireland, such as asking for 150 € for an installation (no equipment included) and then never turn up.

yes I might have made 5 posts before but I can tell you now that I learned alot more about satellite systems since then, as you might be aware it is not a rocket science when it comes to choosing the right equipment.
All I was saying was the cable makes 10 euro difference where does the rest of the difference goes, transportation costs?, insurance costs?, rent???

cormacl

It seems there is a perception among some people that if its cheaper there must be something wrong? Any views on this ?

Thats always a fear.. the age old.. "you pay for quality" as some will say.. of course this comes too often from those who are behind the counters in places like Dixons, Sony Centres, Peats & various camera shops in Dublin that seem to think that its fine to charge lots more. (opps I'm bitching again.. must stop)

But online purchasing has woken a lot of people up to the rip-off carry on of some shops in Ireland.. its opened us to a much larger and cut-throat market.. more and more now order online from Europe and giving the two fingers to local shops... its often a necessity.. with house prices the way they are, people just can't afford it. Its no surprise Lidl & Aldi have been as successful as they have been.. price.

But there are a few sites/shops (yours included) in Ireland with very competitive prices. I have long since resolved myself to the fact that its usually cheaper from Europe. But my comparison above was about €70-100 cheaper.. thats actually good, considering my receiver (Dreambox 5620 was €159 when it retails in one unnamed Irish shop for €299).

But when I was looking to get an Astra1 system for my wife (she's a German national), I did my math and weighed the risks of a first time installation. I knew precious little about the technology and had a fear of trying to attach a dish to a roof not to mention carrying it up a ladder!

I was happy to pay a little more to have the job done by a professional.. and the installer you sent me did a meticulous job on both the Sky and Astra1/Hotbird installations.

I'd be brave enought to try it myself now.. but not then.

As for complaining over forking out €150 for an installation.. just try to hire a tiler or painter.. or even someone to clean your gutters.. you do pay for labour in this country!.. I can't knock that.. I get paid to work myself, we all do. I have to say that the cash I paid for installation was worth it. The signal levels I have on all dishes is excellent. The wiring was also very tidy and he fitted the 80cm to the chimney and Sky to the top front side .. not over my front door or window that some other houses in the estate got done.

and BTW.. I fecked up my bathroom floor tiling and will have the get it done again by a professional.. so DIY is not always the best route.. the wife was so pissed off that she nearly stopped me from adding an LNB recently to the dish in case I botched that too and she lost her ProSieben... luckily the LNB bracket you used was more than adequate to fit a third LNB fixed on 28.2E.. good thinking!

Tony

I really dont know why you are asking me this becuse i am not a spokesman for the satellite industry nor do i wish to be.I just try to do the best deal I can with the best service I can .

I have seen some cowboys work but there little point in me going on about it as these guys are my competitors so I'm not exactly objective now am I.

If you have issues with installers or retailers then you should take it up with them directly. Making genralised and untrue statements does not exactly help your case

Not being smart but satellite Tv is rocket science, thats how the satellite gets there in the first place

dublinli wrote:

to be honest tony you might be helping a lot of guys in this forum and that is fair enough but why don't you admit that there are still a lot of cowboys out there in this business in ireland, such as asking for 150 € for an installation (no equipment included) and then never turn up.

yes I might have made 5 posts before but I can tell you now that I learned alot more about satellite systems since then, as you might be aware it is not a rocket science when it comes to choosing the right equipment.
All I was saying was the cable makes 10 euro difference where does the rest of the difference goes, transportation costs?, insurance costs?, rent???

Tony

Interesting post and thanks for your kind words. You are absolutely right the market is cut throat and long may it remain so, of course there is some rip off carry on in Ireland but some people (compay excepted of course) use this fact to berate everybody and for these guys nothing ever seems good enough or cheap enough.

Great deal on the dreambox, the main reason i dont stock it is becuse the majority of people just want plug and play and the dreambox does take a little thought and study which most people dont really have the time or inclination for which of course is their choice.

cormacl wrote:

Thats always a fear.. the age old.. "you pay for quality" as some will say.. of course this comes too often from those who are behind the counters in places like Dixons, Sony Centres, Peats & various camera shops in Dublin that seem to think that its fine to charge lots more. (opps I'm bitching again.. must stop)

But online purchasing has woken a lot of people up to the rip-off carry on of some shops in Ireland.. its opened us to a much larger and cut-throat market.. more and more now order online from Europe and giving the two fingers to local shops... its often a necessity.. with house prices the way they are, people just can't afford it. Its no surprise Lidl & Aldi have been as successful as they have been.. price.

But there are a few sites/shops (yours included) in Ireland with very competitive prices. I have long since resolved myself to the fact that its usually cheaper from Europe. But my comparison above was about €70-100 cheaper.. thats actually good, considering my receiver (Dreambox 5620 was €159 when it retails in one unnamed Irish shop for €299).

But when I was looking to get an Astra1 system for my wife (she's a German national), I did my math and weighed the risks of a first time installation. I knew precious little about the technology and had a fear of trying to attach a dish to a roof not to mention carrying it up a ladder!

I was happy to pay a little more to have the job done by a professional.. and the installer you sent me did a meticulous job on both the Sky and Astra1/Hotbird installations.

I'd be brave enought to try it myself now.. but not then.

As for complaining over forking out €150 for an installation.. just try to hire a tiler or painter.. or even someone to clean your gutters.. you do pay for labour in this country!.. I can't knock that.. I get paid to work myself, we all do. I have to say that the cash I paid for installation was worth it. The signal levels I have on all dishes is excellent. The wiring was also very tidy and he fitted the 80cm to the chimney and Sky to the top front side .. not over my front door or window that some other houses in the estate got done.

and BTW.. I fecked up my bathroom floor tiling and will have the get it done again by a professional.. so DIY is not always the best route.. the wife was so pissed off that she nearly stopped me from adding an LNB recently to the dish in case I botched that too and she lost her ProSieben... luckily the LNB bracket you used was more than adequate to fit a third LNB fixed on 28.2E.. good thinking!

vsat

Must agree with tony, satellite communications is a rocket science, and if you want it done correctly you have to pay the right price.
Yes insurance, equipment, experience,Knowing types of cable for cable runs, dish sizes for other satellites,
So please don't knock, what you know, very little about, dublini.

:mad: :mad:

dublinli

if you read the post carefully what I said was that it wasn't a rocket science when it comes to choosing equipment, not that I thought you were being smart.

maybe i am the only one who is not happy with paying €150 for installation (to emphasize jsut installation, no equipment included), then again what is the point of complaining about it anyway, we just pay the price for anything here and then complain.

and for your insurance costs and rent costs and all that, I was wondering how many satellite equipment shops are there in Ireland actually (bricks and mortar) to be included in this category.

Tony

dublinli wrote:

maybe i am the only one who is not happy with paying €150 for installation (to emphasize jsut installation, no equipment included), then again what is the point of complaining about it anyway, we just pay the price for anything here and then complain.

Well not knowing the exact circumstances of your install it difficult to say whether its expensive or not. There is a point to complaining as long as its done in a constructive manner. Some people ,and i'm not including you in this, just whine to their friends about bad service etc without actually complaining to the person responsible for their unhappiness. I'm wondering though why you did not give your business to somebody else?

A constructive complaint can help a retailer/installer to rectify the problem and perhaps make sure it does not happen again. For me a complaint is something to be treated positively as it can show you where improvements can be made.

Tony

dublinli wrote:

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and for your insurance costs and rent costs and all that, I was wondering how many satellite equipment shops are there in Ireland actually (bricks and mortar) to be included in this category.

This is one of the reasons i dont have a shop as the costs can be prohibitive, you still need public/motor insurance just to run a van though.