predictions

solas

I was thinking about some things earlier and I was wondering, as so many people here have some developed esp abilities, would anyone like to put down on paper any insights that they may have.
While its difficult to be very specific, it would be interesting if we could focus on the year ahead and see how it goes month by month.

anyone want a go?
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for example
who wil be the munster hurling champions this year?

apologies for the editing

nesf

Eh.

Honestly, predictions on anything that you know something about would be educated guesses rather than examples of esp. Someone having a premonition over something that they know little or nothing about would be more interesting to me.

For instance, I could tell you that the dollar is going to gain ground against the Yen in the next 6 months.

Is that a preminition or an educated guess?

You decide.

I have been called psychic by psychic's and new age types in the past though. Personally I just think I'm a little more aware of reality and life than most people and that I have good intuition because of this. Matter of perception really.

solas

ah I dunno..what if I said that there would be an earthquake in Holland in two days time.?
let the people decide..and even if it is just an educated guess, I'm curious as to how educated peoples guesses are.
It could be more specific like, a member of the royal family dying (as in the case of princess diana)..it doesn't have to be politically or environmentally orientated.

nesf wrote:

For instance, I could tell you that the dollar is going to gain ground against the Yen in the next 6 months.

Is that a preminition or an educated guess?

a bit of both I imagine, but if esp is valid than it would only be logical that your perceptions would be significant to those things which concern you.

anyway..just thought I would put it out there for others if they wanted to participate. All in the best interests of all concerned.

Kernel

nesf wrote:

For instance, I could tell you that the dollar is going to gain ground against the Yen in the next 6 months.

Nesf give us some good stock to buy up, I need the money!

My prediction for the Munster Hurling would be Cork.

My prediction for the champions league is Liverpool.

My prediction for a disaster is August 12th.

There ya go!

solas

w00t

LegacyUser

Barcelona for the European Cup next year.

ISAW

Kernel wrote:

Nesf give us some good stock to buy up, I need the money!

My prediction for the Munster Hurling would be Cork.

My prediction for the champions league is Liverpool.

My prediction for a disaster is August 12th.

There ya go!

If you mean next years champions league then I would be surprised!

August 12th is the peak of the Perseid meteor shower. Could you be more specific. a natural or man made disaster. From space? From earth? what is a disaster anyway? Liverpool losing?

Kernel

ISAW wrote:

If you mean next years champions league then I would be surprised!

August 12th is the peak of the Perseid meteor shower. Could you be more specific. a natural or man made disaster. From space? From earth? what is a disaster anyway? Liverpool losing?

No, the prediction is for this year's champions league.

The fog of time is hard to pierce with my untrained psychic ability. I can see a disaster on August 12th of larger than normal proportions. That is all I can see.......

ISAW

Kernel wrote:

No, the prediction is for this year's champions league.

The fog of time is hard to pierce with my untrained psychic ability. I can see a disaster on August 12th of larger than normal proportions. That is all I can see.......

I will take you up on Liverpool. If my prediction they will not win is correct then do you think I am psychic and you are not?

What is a "normal" disaster? Why is it harder to "see" something in August? Does that mean someting between now and August is easier? Try next week then. Say 20th May. Can you "see" anything for me looming? How about the newspaper headlines for 20th May?

How do you "see" things anyway? If you do not actually "see" a disaster and I assume you dont since people can distinguish between "seeing" say, a hurricane, a plane crash and a stock market crash, then what is it that you feel hear sense etc.?

Kernel

ISAW wrote:

I will take you up on Liverpool. If my prediction they will not win is correct then do you think I am psychic and you are not?

What is a "normal" disaster? Why is it harder to "see" something in August? Does that mean someting between now and August is easier? Try next week then. Say 20th May. Can you "see" anything for me looming? How about the newspaper headlines for 20th May?

How do you "see" things anyway? If you do not actually "see" a disaster and I assume you dont since people can distinguish between "seeing" say, a hurricane, a plane crash and a stock market crash, then what is it that you feel hear sense etc.?

Well, I can sense fluctuations and disturbances in the force. So, for example, I sense a disturbance in the force for August 12th, which seems to point at a disaster. As for Liverpool, the force has been with them this year, and the force shows success for them. Whether that will mean winning the Champions League, or another success I'm not sure of, but I think it means they will win.

May the force be with you ISAW.

stevenmu

Ok, this'll probably sound a little crazy (it does to me anyway), but for the last few years I've had this feeling that there's something really really big going to happen that'll bring about a drastic change in society. I'm thinking something along the lines of another world war. I've felt this would happen relativly soon, initially I had 2012/2013 in mind, and I've since learnt that there are many other predictions involving that time period. Also many people who claim to be able to see the future accurately say they can't see past this time period or what happens during it.

Anyway the feeling had kind of gone away the last year or so, and I hadn't given it much thought, when last night it came back but this time it seemed much closer, maybe 2007/2008 with something happening later this year to preface it. I'm thinking perhaps another big terrorist attack, or more a likely a wave of them in America around september or october, which would cause America to later invade Iran.

The specifics above are really just based on the current global situation, it's the feeling that 'something' is going to happen which is my prediction, hopefully I'll be proved wrong.

Goodshape

I'm with stevenmu in that I feel the next decade or so will bring about major social and political change. It may take a large scale war to get started but I think the eventual outcome will be positive.

The worlds a messed up place and it's becoming increasingly difficult to just look the other way and pretend everythings A-OK. It won't be long before we're forced to answer some really serious questions - the answers to which we can barely fathom in our current state of mind.

Not sure what I can base this on; just a feeling I have that seems to be shared by many an individual (speaking politics with a random stranger in the pub last night for instance, without prompting from me he expressed similar ideas. Happens all the time).

stevenmu

Yeah, I'd agree that the way society is going is pretty unsustainable (*must resist social commentary rant* ). I think it will all work out well, but it'll get worse before it gets better.

stevenmu

Also, for those who remember John Titors predictions, the current ID card legislation being passed in the US is getting quite a few peoples backs up :eek:

solas

I don't recall ..want to elaborate re John Titor and the reference to ID cards?

goodsshape wrote:

I'm with stevenmu in that I feel the next decade or so will bring about major social and political change. It may take a large scale war to get started but I think the eventual outcome will be positive.

yea..this seems to be general consensus. While "social and political change" is inevitable..and occuring as we speak, I think twe've all grown up with the threat of a world war (ww3) that would bring about significant changes. I'm quite apethetic about the whole thing tho.

stevenmu

solas wrote:

I don't recall ..want to elaborate re John Titor and the reference to ID cards?

I don't think there was a specific reference to ID cards, but John Titors general claim was that there'd be a civil war in the US brought about by an oppresive government infringing civil liberties. Many people seem to be hugely opposed to current ID card legislation and see it as a huge violation of their civil rights. And this is in addition to other laws which have seen a lot of condemnation such as the Patriot Act, and *that* law requiring people on internal flights to have a passport, but which noone is allowed name or discuss and even the courts can't be told what it is (it's also completly unconstitutional).

ISAW

Kernel wrote:

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I sense a disturbance in the force for August 12th, which seems to point at a disaster. As for Liverpool, the force has been with them this year, and the force shows success for them. Whether that will mean winning the Champions League, or another success I'm not sure of, but I think it means they will win.

May the force be with you ISAW.

But as i asked you what is "a disaster"?

I do however note that you have made a prediction. you have predicted Liverpool will win the Champions league. It isnt a very great prediction since the bookies will give you a little better than even money but it is a prediction nevertheless. You probably have close to half a chance of being right. then again you might also be wrong.

So I ask again. I I am right and you are wrong do you believe that makes me psychic and will you drop your claims to such an ability if you are wrong.

As to your comment that the force be with me that seems leke hedging i.e. if you are wrong you can claim you supported my alternate prediction.

Maybe this discussion is better dealt with on the jedi discussion board?

Kernel

ISAW wrote:

But as i asked you what is "a disaster"?

I do however note that you have made a prediction. you have predicted Liverpool will win the Champions league. It isnt a very great prediction since the bookies will give you a little better than even money but it is a prediction nevertheless. You probably have close to half a chance of being right. then again you might also be wrong.

So I ask again. I I am right and you are wrong do you believe that makes me psychic and will you drop your claims to such an ability if you are wrong.

As to your comment that the force be with me that seems leke hedging i.e. if you are wrong you can claim you supported my alternate prediction.

Maybe this discussion is better dealt with on the jedi discussion board?

A disaster is a very bad thing, and one will happen, unfortunately.

I did support your alternate prediction, but the force will decide all things in the end.


Let's just see what happens in time.

ISAW

stevenmu wrote:

I'm thinking something along the lines of another world war.

How do you define a world war? Is it the amount of countries involved; the geographical spread of the participants; the number of troop; UN approval? Based on your criteria how is the present Iraq situation not a worlw war?

I've felt this would happen relativly soon, initially I had 2012/2013 in mind, and I've since learnt that there are many other predictions involving that time period.

How many? As opposed to what? I mean how many are there of the 2007/2008 time period and how much less than the 2012/2013 period are there?
I suggest you make a ist of such perdictions before it happens and then afterwards you can then determine which were correct. I would be very surprised if anyone anywhere did better than chance but I wouldn't rule out an ability to predict whether psychic or not. Such abilities if they exist are very rare since I have not seen any convincing evidence of them. But anyone on boards.ie having such an ability I would be very very very surprised to witness.

I really want to witness such an event. thats why I ask in advance to agree what would be an extraordinary event and to predict it. Predicting the Winning of the champions league isnt really extraordinary when there are only two teams left.

Also many people who claim to be able to see the future accurately say they can't see past this time period or what happens during it.

This may or may not be true. I may well be your experience or your belief that prompts you to claim that there are not many predictions for the period after 2013 but how do you know this is true? How would we measure what a prediction is and how many were made. Remember if the claim is not made in advance it isn't really a prediction at all is it?

Anyway the feeling had kind of gone away the last year or so, and I hadn't given it much thought, when last night it came back but this time it seemed much closer, maybe 2007/2008 with something happening later this year to preface it. I'm thinking perhaps another big terrorist attack, or more a likely a wave of them in America around september or october, which would cause America to later invade Iran.

But are you predicting a terrorist attack in 2007-2008 or are you not predicting one? could you be more specific? A terrorist attack by an international terrorist group in a 730 day span is quite likely I would think since there has been one in every 730 day span over the last decade. When later this year (2005) do you predict something happening. More precisely what month, what date, and where on Earth? What type of attack (hijacking, kidnap, bombing, military attack etc.)?

The specifics above are really just based on the current global situation, it's the feeling that 'something' is going to happen which is my prediction, hopefully I'll be proved wrong.

What sort of "something"? And if it is based on current geo politics it isn't a psychic prediction is it since then it is based on reasoned argument and analysis?

Kernel

ISAW wrote:

How do you define a world war? Is it the amount of countries involved; the geographical spread of the participants; the number of troop; UN approval? Based on your criteria how is the present Iraq situation not a worlw war?

It's not a world war because only Iraq declared war on US (and Britain? dunno), and the Iraqi invasion and occupation succeeded in usurping the government and replacing it with a puppet pro-US government. There is no war there anymore at all. Only occupation and terrorist resistance.

For it to become a world war, more than 1 country would have needed to declare war on the US and Britain.

Here ya go ISAW: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War

stevenmu

ISAW wrote:

How do you define a world war? Is it the amount of countries involved; the geographical spread of the participants; the number of troop; UN approval? Based on your criteria how is the present Iraq situation not a worlw war?

I suppose the easy way to define it is whether or not people refer to it as a world war afterwards or not I suppose really a war that is spread across a large area of the globe and affects in some way the majority of the global population. I know that's a bit vague but to contrast with the Iraq situation, that's localised specifically to Iraq and only really affects people within Iraq (and the relatives of those who've travelled there).

ISAW wrote:

How many? As opposed to what? I mean how many are there of the 2007/2008 time period and how much less than the 2012/2013 period are there?
I suggest you make a ist of such perdictions before it happens and then afterwards you can then determine which were correct.

I'm going to have to come with some kind of database cross-referincing everything I read to answer these kind of questions (actually that could be pretty usefull). I'll try and come up with some kind of list later on.

ISAW wrote:

Predicting the Winning of the champions league isnt really extraordinary when there are only two teams left.

I agree with this completly, I think anyone predicting the result of this will be influenced by either knowledge of the teams or by an emotional attachment to one of them.

ISAW wrote:

But are you predicting a terrorist attack in 2007-2008 or are you not predicting one? could you be more specific? A terrorist attack by an international terrorist group in a 730 day span is quite likely I would think since there has been one in every 730 day span over the last decade. When later this year (2005) do you predict something happening. More precisely what month, what date, and where on Earth? What type of attack (hijacking, kidnap, bombing, military attack etc.)?

I'm predicting one this year, probably late september, early october. I'm not sure what type exactly but something 'original' and exceeding 911 in scale, probably two or three events of this magnitude in the US itself and possibly other smaller standard events (car/suicide bombs etc) aimed at US interests overseas around the same time.

ISAW wrote:

What sort of "something"? And if it is based on current geo politics it isn't a psychic prediction is it since then it is based on reasoned argument and analysis?

I suppose, ultimately, the downfall of modern society/civilisation to begin sometime in 2007/2008. That's the only part of the prediction(s) I'd claim to have any kind of psychic origin. The rest is supposition as to the form it will take based on current geo politics. I can see the US being bogged down in the middle east for years to come and a conflict between North (possibly Chinese backed) and South Korea stretching the US military thin. I can see China taking advantage of this and invading Taiwan and possibly trying to grab some of Siberia aswell. Either way the Russians won't like the sight of China taking any military action and will line up their military on the border leading to an open conflict. Several Muslim nations will more than likely invade Israel at this stage giving the US more to deal with than it's capable of, despite some help from British and Australian forces. As China launches attacks on the US mainland, the rest of the EU will be forced to decide between helping the US out and sitting back and watching it be destroyed. There'll probably be a brief tactical* nuclear war, soon after which every government involved will be overthrown, leading to the end of all major hostilities.

Maybe I've just been reading too many Tom Clancy books

edit: I presume this would count as a world war ?

*tactical as in small numbers of low yield warheads aimed a destroying military capacity as opposed to high yield warheads aimed at population centres.

LostinBlanch

ISAW wrote:

But as i asked you what is "a disaster"?

I do however note that you have made a prediction. you have predicted Liverpool will win the Champions league.

speaking as a United fan Liverpool winning would be a disaster! :eek:

Kernel

LostinBlanch wrote:

speaking as a United fan Liverpool winning would be a disaster! :eek:

haha.. that's true, I'm a United fan myself, I don't make the future though, I only predict it. I will try to use my psychic powers on the night to make them lose.

ISAW

stevenmu wrote:

I suppose the easy way to define it is whether or not people refer to it as a world war afterwards or not

In which case it is post fitting the data so it isn't a prediction then is it?

I suppose really a war that is spread across a large area of the globe and affects in some way the majority of the global population. I know that's a bit vague but to contrast with the Iraq situation, that's localised specifically to Iraq and only really affects people within Iraq (and the relatives of those who've travelled there).

It affects all of Arabia dircetly. Kurdistan for example is not recognised and goes into Turkey, Iraq Iran. Indeed Usbec people fled into Kurdistan last week. It also affects Saudi Arabia. It is the largest mobilisation of troops in history. But I will again ask for clarification.

What is a large area of the globe? What is a "affect" a population? Will having an "affect" on three billion people suffice?

I agree with this completly, I think anyone predicting the result of this will be influenced by either knowledge of the teams or by an emotional attachment to one of them.

I am very happy you are since if we use vague language then anything can be post fit. Look at Nostradamus. Nobody predicts anything in advance and then AFTER an event they all claim he meant 9/11 or an earthquake. But nobody tells us about that BEFORE the event. So it isnt a prediction is it?

I'm predicting one this year, probably late september, early october. I'm not sure what type exactly but something 'original' and exceeding 911 in scale, probably two or three events of this magnitude in the US itself and possibly other smaller standard events (car/suicide bombs etc) aimed at US interests overseas around the same time.

the is great! It is being more specific. so I take you to mean that you predice that between midnight 21 Sept GMT and Midnight 7 October GMT two or three attacks involving billions of dollars damage or thousands of lives will take place in the US or in US military or government establishments or Corporations elsewhere. Now the chances of that I do not know but at least it is a prediction. maybe you could add a sticky thread to the forum on predictions and the list be edited from time to time. the date the prediction was made on and the person whgo made it should be included.

so the list would begin

Prediction 1 Stephenmu made on 20 May 2005 that two or possible three attempts at 9/11 style terrorist attacks involving an attempt to do as much damage as 9/11 against US military/government/corporations abroad or in the US will happen between 2400 GMT on Sept 21 2005 and 2400 Oct 7 2005.

It is very important to include ALL predictions made by a person so that the person does not make a hundred ignore the misses and highlight the hits. But even a few out of a hundred that would satisfy the above would really surprise me.

The rest is supposition as to the form it will take based on current geo politics.

I agree this would not be psychic, but it would be extremely interesting if anyone had that ability. It would also be worth BILLIONS and anyone with it could easily make billions.

sephirosis

for some reason this year strikes a chord in my head. its something i have read somewhere. 2012 is extremely important to some group but i cant quite remember which, be it the church, a hermetic society, or something else. has anyone else read anything about this year??

Stark

Actually it's the date most widely agreed on as the end of the world by a wide variety of people.

ISAW

Stark wrote:

Actually it's the date most widely agreed on as the end of the world by a wide variety of people.

I predict the world will not end in 2012!

If I am wrong will you then accept I can predict the future?

Kernel

ISAW wrote:

I predict the world will not end in 2012!

If I am wrong will you then accept I can predict the future?

Err no, if you are wrong then that means you're pretty useless at predicting the future, doesn't it? :rolleyes:

ISAW

Kernel wrote:

Err no, if you are wrong then that means you're pretty useless at predicting the future, doesn't it? :rolleyes:

Logically it does follow but I was trying to be ironic. You see if I was wrong the world would end so what it the point of anyone being to be able to say my prediction it would not end was right?

Secondly I was trying to hint at the philosophy of End Times cults. These have been around for Millennia. There was a bit of an upsurge with the year 2000. But the think is that NONE of them could be correct since the world is still here. But rather than admit tey were silly fools people prefer to believe in the leaders that got it wrong. Indeed they sometimes then rewrite what they stated or bury it or say that it was only the faith of believers that averted the end of the world.

Strange isnt it how a "religion" which continually prophesises and gets the predictions wrong can hold on to members or recruit new ones so that they are back up to the level of adherents before the wrong prediction?

I think Leo Fessinger also looked into this area but it is some years sionce I looked it up.

muppetkiller

Actually i'm a bit freaked after all this 2012 talk ..
I only passed by this board today as i'm bored with the shop section ..
I had the most bizarre dream last night
I dreamt that the world was dying like we had had a nuclear war or something i was in my 50's and children were asking me what had happened..
And i told them of a really big disaster in the year 2009 when a meter or something hit northern brazil /south america area wiping out nearly the entire rainforest area there ...
the debris an smoke blocked out the sun and killed most of the plant life left on the earth ...and by 2012 there were very few people left ...
but as i'm in my late 20's that would mean that the world doesn't end in 2012 just our idea of the way the world is maybe fades away
strange eh... it was so detailed..
I'm not a psychic but i am an alcoholic lol

hawkmoon269

stevenmu wrote:

Also, for those who remember John Titors predictions, the current ID card legislation being passed in the US is getting quite a few peoples backs up :eek:

Seemingly this "John Titor" was a guy who posted in Time Travel forums in 2000/early 2001 claiming to be a time traveller from the future. Among his predictions were that Y2K computer malfunctions would have a serious impact, and that Civil War would break out in the US in 2004/2005. Well, 5 months into 2005 and no sign of a US Civil War just yet.

I'm in the sceptics' camp with Isaaw.