Put King of Queens on RTÉ 2

limerick_man

Monday on RTÉ 2 is comedy night, it's the channels best night for ratings!



These days now that they have finally given up on friends, and shows such as the panel and just for laughs are on the off season the channel is having problems with finding good comedy heres the line up for april 25th.



Comedy night kick off with ... a re-run of 'friends', then 'greatest escapes in history' then at 8 unto 'The sports files', at 9 'joey' starts, then unto 'scrubs', and the irish show with great ratings 'naked camera'. After that thers a re run of 'scrubs' then 'the news' and then 'the larry sanders show'! Thats 7pm-11.50!



I have no problems with the joey,scrubs (the new one), naked camera and the larry sanders show! But for the rest of it i mean seriously the comedy is spread out, ok so news is usually at a standard time (11pm in this case), and friends and scrubs are still comedys, but the point of repeating shows is to fill out time not to entertain... and they actually advertise these shows!



To be honest i dont watch too much RTÉ but this night is one which i espically look forward to after a long day, and granted this is the off season (autumn seems to be the only 'on season') and people have freedom to flick off the channel and i have no problem with that, hell when RTÉ comes on i usually change channel right away but what kills me is that RTÉ have comedy yet to expose properly!



The King of Queens is one of the highest rated shows weekly in the states. It airs daily on paramount comedy channel (at 9pm) and on channel 4 (at 8.25am) and RTE have it!



During last summer RTE where showing it on RTÉ 1 during the day, they have since replaced it with shows such as 'the big bite' and the afternoon show'! It was part of a comedy line up with the likes of the cosby show! They were showing at least up to season 2 (i know this because the opening changed after season 1 and they had both) although they where never in order!



RTÉ should put the King of Queens onto Monday at primetime on RTÉ 2, and put the shows in order and advertise it. It is my favourite show and it wouldnt cost anything for at least the first 2 years thanks to them already having the show!

The Bollox

I agree, the King Of Queens is a great show, but I think RTE comedy night was in its prime about 3/4 years ago when it started at 7:00/ 7:30 with Grounded For Life (man I miss that show!) then it had 3rd Rock From The Sun, then it had Friends, two episodes, I think, then it had Scrubs then it had something else, and it capped it all off with Podge And Rodge, now THAT was what I call a comedy night, not this b0ll0x line-up they have these daye, I mean Joey sucks, Scrubs kicks ass, as does The Panel (thats coming back afaik, they had the best of the panel last night, and they did that last time before the new season, although it was much, much better whenb it was live on a Monday night and not recorded and shown on a Sunday night). and Naked Camera has its moments, but thats all, Naked Camera, The Panel and Scrubs
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limerick_man

Actually I really enjoy the panel and like the edited show because you get the best of the panel in each episode! I really enjoyed last nights show because it was like a blast from the past, RTE want to keep the show in peoples mind so they will tune in next season, smart advertising! Anyway the show (i feel) hasnt lost any of its spontaneity!

In fact thats why i didnt choose last nights line up, one it was irregular (coz of bank holiday) and two it was better!

The line up keeps getting better at autumn and then after christmas gets worse, they run out of material!

But King of Queens is like in its 7th season in the states so if they wanted to catch up they could keep it rolling all year round for about 2 and a half years!

Only 1 person i know that knows of the show dosent like it and thats because he says its unrealistic, a woman that hot would never fall for a fat guy. But that adds to the comedy!

Elmo

RTE have a police of showing Wildlife and History programming during the hours of 7-9 surrounded by reruns of friends.

I amn't the biggest fan of King Of Queens.

But they have over the last year shown THAT 70'S SHOW and Ground for life at 2am every monday with double episodes.

If you wish to complain about the RTE TWO schedule the email andrew fitzpatrick head of RTE TWO and scheduling at RTE.

andrew.fitzpatrick@rte.ie

RTE TWO's monday night comedy has be reduced to 9 to 11 for the past year.

RTE TWO has become the biggest waste of space and time since it renamed from N2. IMO

limerick_man

I have already emailed RTE, but thanks for the new address! 7-9 on Mondays isnt for history and wildlife it has been set aside for comedy!

Well i wouldnt agree with that last statement because theres still TG4 and all those crappy channels on sky!

RTE TWO just need good new comedy... rather then repeats of friends, and King of Queens fits the bill. I wouldnt even start a thread but the fact that RTE already have the show just kills me!

Elmo

Well i wouldnt agree with that last statement because theres still TG4 and all those crappy channels on sky!

No limerick man you find that TG4 is one of the best channels.

TG4 have the same budget as RTE TWO for Home Produced shows and yet they still manage to produce far more then RTE TWO.

You can also be garuretted that on TG4 there american Imports will be shown before 11pm and during prime time.

Until RTE Two actall starts to

1. Schedule things at appropriate times
2. Produce more Irish TV

Then the remain the biggest waste of space on any network they take up.

The Bollox

the thing about TG4 is that it has some kick ass films on a tuesday night! it used to anyway

limerick_man

Ok thats what i'm saying RTE had King of Queens on during the day i'm saying put it on primetime on monday nights!

Lump

King of Queens is quality.

John

garred

There's better comedies out there, it does'nt make me laugh, just smile now and again, although the old man can be funny sometimes.

doh.ie

garred wrote:

There's better comedies out there, it does'nt make me laugh, just smile now and again, although the old man can be funny sometimes.

He annoys me. Kevin James and Leah Remini are much funnier. RTE1 had this on in the afternoon for a while a few months back - used to get a daily fix at work at a handier time than Channel 4's morning one... Would like to see it back - it does deserve a higher profile than it's had here, or in the UK.

penguinbloke

It's funny but I don't think it deserves to be prime time. I would personally prefer "grounded for life" to be shown at a respectable time. I can understand putting the history thing at eight because that would run against "malcom in the middle" and to be honest malcom is going to win against most things.

Rte have a history of not going continuing well watched tv series' ds9, voyager, stargate,alias and smallville for example.

Or not treating them with the respect they deserve as in the cases of the Gilmore girls and Ed where the last series was not only shown at a bad time i.e. in the morning but they, like smallville, got no advertising.

Drew Carey friday night 00.45 double bill
Seinfeld (just found out) wednesday at 23.25
That 70's Show was on sunday or monday mornings double bills to the end
Grounded For Life the same.
The Dead Zone a great show but at 11.50 on friday who is going to know? especially when it's not advertised and people have other channels to look at.

doh.ie

penguinbloke wrote:

The Dead Zone a great show but at 11.50 on friday who is going to know? especially when it's not advertised and people have other channels to look at.

Same with about a dozen other similar shows (The Others, Dark Skies, Earth: Final Conflict etc etc.) which all were thrown into the midnight hours, alongside whatever sitcoms needed to find a place in the schedule (Drew Carey, Off Centre, Grounded... etc.)

It's long been suggested that RTE buy up anything with potential for fear TV3 will get it and then just schedule it at any old hour (or not at all) so that only the dregs remain for any rival broadcaster. Just as well they can't fight the non-domestic based channels, then.

limerick_man

Exactly but alot of these shows either weren't that popular or other channels where getting all the audiences. e.g stargate, voyager on sky!

Alot of these shows also may never have been that popular in the states so RTE got them cheap and never really tried them out to see if irish audiences would be amazed, RTE buy loads of shows to fill in but never give them real air time!

The King of Queens has really good ratings in the states, and since paramount have moved it to primetime i've being getting into the show so there is a little more going for this show if RTE show each episode from the first seris to the last in order the show will take off!

Elmo

It's long been suggested that RTE buy up anything with potential for fear TV3 will get it and then just schedule it at any old hour (or not at all) so that only the dregs remain for any rival broadcaster. Just as well they can't fight the non-domestic based channels, then.

This agruement just doesn't fly:-

RTE don't need to worry about TV3 getting there hands on any of the shows mentioned:-

1. TV3 have requirements, if TV3 increase its foreign output they have to increase the Ireland AM output.
2. TV3 have total access to ITV output which makes them even less interested in American Shows.

RTE shouldn't bother to worry about TV3 getting these shows. They should worry about showing them at suitable times.

TV3 did have King of Queens on during prime time for a while when they first started broadcasting.

7-9 on Mondays isnt for history and wildlife it has been set aside for comedy!

Not for a very long time, 8pm is usually where RTE place a documentry of some kind each night.

I think Friends is the comedy on from 7 -9 any night on RTE Two. :mad:

You even say it your self

a re-run of 'friends',
then 'greatest escapes in history' then at
8 unto 'The sports files',

I think The sports files is considered a documentry at RTE. :rolleyes:

limerick_man

Yeah exactly 'comedy night' isnt exactly full of comedy anymore, (once again off season) and when shows are comedy they are usually friends or scrubs! A night that has become famous for actually showing good tv on RTE shouldnt be full of re-runs!

Ever since TV3 launched there monday night line up (corrie,malcom,corrie) RTE have made 'comedy night' start just after that ends!

The line up needs to get rid of repeats and start with new comedys (a.k.a King of Queens)! Although if you do count that the funy shows line up starts at 9 and ends at 11 there is only 1 repeat scrubs @ 11.30! Thats the slot King of Queens should take!

Elmo

The King of Queens has really good ratings in the states,

Where are you getting this from?

Drew Carey was a huge show in the states (nearly as big as Friends) and RTE still insisted on showing it at 11:30 on a friday night on RTE One.

And they have now just got round to showing the final series.

Sci-Fi is never going to have the same kind of viewship I will grant you that.

but just look at the list of other shows

The Practice
Third Watch
The West Wing
Ground For Life
That 70's Show
Millenium
Fraiser
Boston Public
Profiler
Third Rock From the Sun
Six Feet Under


I mean the list is endless, this goes so much futher then "King of Queens". It about so many shows that so many people like.

I don't like "King of Queens" but I get where you are coming from.

vector

limerick_man wrote:

... popular in the states so RTE got them cheap and never really tried them out to see if irish audiences would be amazed, RTE buy loads of shows to fill in but never give them real air time...

The District "starring" Craig T Nelson

Elmo

Thats the slot King of Queens should take!

The slot that Friends takes up at 7 could have KoQ or any other comedy.

Coronation Street boosts Malcome In The Middle. Which i think is great for malcome in the middle. But why do TV3 have to show constant repeats of the show. Could they not show a new series when they don't have new Malcomes?

penguinbloke

I thought these were new malcoms

And the more I think of it the less I like the idea of king of queens in the 7.00 slot

Rte could always experiment and try some new series.

They would probably get them cheaper and they might actually be good... well at least when compared to joey anyway.

limerick_man

Elmo wrote:

just look at the list of other shows

The Practice
Third Watch
The West Wing
Ground For Life
That 70's Show
Millenium
Fraiser
Boston Public
Profiler
Third Rock From the Sun
Six Feet Under
.

Ok so frasier was on primetime on RTE 1 (thats the biggest deal for any show to be aired in ireland) it ran right up to the end and was th first to air the last show in europe! If they where to show it now it'd be more re-runs!

3rd rock from the sun is in the boat RTE played it out and even showed re-runs for a while!

The west wing was on primetime too! Not sure if it stil is!

Boston Public was boosted by its seduling eariler this year when it was just after panel and just for laughs! those shows are now off season and the show has since being pushed back for the more popular sunday sport, but it is still on primetime!

That 70's show was on mondays but didnt take off so RTE removed it! Six feet under was played up too much for RTE by E4 and the like so it was taken off primetime!

As for grounded for life I guess that is under rated because a quick google doesnt even mention the program!

The drew carry show has also ended!

King of Queens still has energy behind it, Elmo you may not think its the best comedy, but in the age that all famously great comedys are being axed (fraiser, friends, everybody loves rayond ends this week, and ahh to a lesser extend sex and the city) king of queens is new to irish audiences and with proper marketing can be another rollercoaster ride!

vector

>The west wing was on primetime too! Not sure if it stil is!

barely some where around 23:15 maybe 22:30 on thursday
and it was cancelled last week for a program about the pope

when C4 has it they put it on around 21:30, now that is real primetime

limerick_man

Exactly the problem with alot of these shows is that other channels have better coverage so RTE have no real need to show it! They put there output before american or british imports!

King of Queens doesnt have that problem because no major oppisition are doing much with the show!

penguinbloke

According to Jim is a far superior program to King of Queens, yet the only time I could see either of these programs hitting an audience that would regularly watch are being used for repeats of sabrina the teenage witch and sister sister.

While funny, these are family comedies and I personally don't think they would do as "comedy night" material.

Six feet under never really got prime time as far as I could see. Once again poorly advertised and put after 11 is rarely primetime unless the program makes it primetime.

Actually thinking about it now Ed or even the Gilmore Girls are programs I would like to see in the 8.00 to 9.00 slot. But that said, thats just me.

limerick_man

The King of Queens mentions sex in every second episode, not exactly family entertainment!

penguinbloke

limerick_man wrote:

The King of Queens mentions sex in every second episode, not exactly family entertainment!

Unlike the simpsons...

Badabing

Just wonering if king of queens is still on in the states ie; new shows.I also think that everybody loves raymond should be prime time it is very well written and acted.

Bard

Have only watched King of Queens occasionally (3 or 4 times, tops). Never once found it merited the description "entertaining".

FX Meister

King of Queens sucks ass through a straw. It's almost as bad as Everybody Loves Raymond. The only good thing about it is Leah Remini until she opens her mouth. Keep this kind of American un funny rubbish off the TV.

limerick_man

Yes the show is returning for an eight seris in the states, thats what i'm saying it still has everything going for it... i'm not saying its the best comedy but it beats the same old re-runs RTE are showing!

TCamen

'King of Queens' hasn't been renewed for Season 8 yet. It's still undecided whether it will return. Ratings are down nearly 16% on its performance last season (which makes it one of the worst rated sitcoms currently on US TV) and many of the cast members have signed onto new pilots so don't count your chickens just yet.

CBS routinely places 4th (of 6 networks) on Wednesday nights with 'King of Queens' being beaten by everything but the netlet output, which isn't saying much.

Outside of the poor ratings, the series is very subpar, but very indicative of CBS 'comedy' like "Everybody Loves Raymond" (which is thankfully finally ending).

I don't like either series, but since I don't watch Monday Night 'comedy', I'm sure neither would be out of place on the stellar RTE schedule.

Personally I don't mind what slot RTE relegates quality shows to as long as they actually show them, but even that is proving too much for them these days. I'm so happy our license fee going towards producing series like 'Reverb'. Being charged to watch recycled archive material is truly inspired.

Elmo

As you all mention "Everyone Love Raymond" it was listed this week I think for Monday 7pm on RTE 2.

Ok so frasier was on primetime on RTE 1 (thats the biggest deal for any show to be aired in ireland) it ran right up to the end and was th first to air the last show in europe! If they where to show it now it'd be more re-runs!

3rd rock from the sun is in the boat RTE played it out and even showed re-runs for a while!

The west wing was on primetime too! Not sure if it stil is!

Frasier when out after ER on sundays for the last number of season, but just look how the treated the last season.

One week its on Sunday the next Thursday. They never actuall completed a series of that show with out Interuption. I was so confussed by RTE's Scheduling of this show I was sure C4 had caught up with towards the end.

3rd Rock From The Sun began life on Saturday nights on RTE 2 at about 1am. It was eventually moved to a more suitable time of 9 then 8 then 8:30 on monday nights on RTE 2.

Indeed both the west wing and boston public are put to the end of prime time.

And fans of the West Wing here on boards are always giving out about how it is on at 11:15 one week (thats after Prime Time) 10:30 the next and so on each week.

Boston Public is on at 10:30 and gets 120,000 viewers I am sure if they put it on at 9 or 8 it would get some more veiwers (But perhaps not up againist ER.)

Boston Public has always been bounced around the RTE Two schedule.

That 70's Show last 3 season before being pushed to 2am with Double Episodes.

And with a quick search of google

http://epguides.com/GroundedforLife/

plus type in www.groundedforlife.com and you are redirected to The WB. The channel which took up the show after it was canceled by FOX.

The drew carry show has also ended!

I know The Drew Carey Show has Ended. But RTE never had it on during prime time and they have only now got around to showing the final series of the show on Saturdays at 1am in the morning with Double Episodes.

My examples are there only to show how bad RTE are with there shows.

I am sure there are plenty more examples of RTE putting new shows to the backs of the schedule.

Certainly E4 did over show Six Feet Under but let face it E4 is luck to get 10,000 viewers for any of its shows so that should not effect RTEs showing of the show.

limerick_man

The fact of the matter is that RTE are acting as if they have nothing to put on primetime, but they have shows such as king of queens!

Rte 2 did great things with friends and really created a buzz!

King of Queens is still ranked as one of top US shows, and season 8 is almost a certainty!

TCamen

King of Queens is still ranked as one of top US shows

Ratings wise? It doesn't really pull in as big an audience as it used to. It's currently ranked #46 show on US TV this season to date. As I mentioned before, it's down nearly 16% on its audience last season. Currently it gets beaten in its slot by everything except The WB and UPN output (neither netlet being as widely available as CBS that airs King of Queens).

season 8 is almost a certainty!

Still up in the air as of today, I doubt CBS will cancel it but you can't be sure until they announce their Fall lineup in a couple of weeks!

As a sidenote -- Did you post this same topic on the Sony Pictures forum?

Elmo

The fact of the matter is that RTE are acting as if they have nothing to put on primetime, but they have shows such as king of queens!

Yes your dead right Limerick man. Weather I or anyones aren't fans of KOQ they should put new shows on during prime time.

Rte 2 did great things with friends and really created a buzz!

And they also act as though this is the only show that they have for Prime Time. IMO its time RTE let go of Friends for a while.

limerick_man

KIng of queens is still doing strong ratings wise! It may not be as popular but it is still popular and it would go deffenatly enhance monday nights!

Elmo

Yes it would enhance monday nights because its a new show rather then a repeat of Friends or Scrubs. Even their documentry. Weather I like the show or not.

I am agreeing with you, have been since you started this thread.

Limerick Man you be disappointed to know that N2's comedy night is nearly coming to an end with LOST starting on the 23rd of May 10pm on RTE TWO.

You get a Reply from Andrew Fitzpatrick?

cregser

Marts wrote:

...I think RTE comedy night was in its prime about 3/4 years ago when it started at 7:00/ 7:30 with Grounded For Life (man I miss that show!) then it had 3rd Rock From The Sun, then it had Friends, two episodes, I think, then it had Scrubs then it had something else, and it capped it all off with Podge And Rodge, now THAT was what I call a comedy...[/rant]

I think you have to go further back for when it was good. About 5 years ago I used to split my sides laughing at Net2 Monday nights. Back when Podge And Rodge were new and funny, Don't Feed The Gondelas, some hairy guy whos name I forget, Just For Laughs (which wasn't 5yrs ago but whatever) and all that.

It's not worth watching these days TBH.

limerick_man

Elmo wrote:

You get a Reply from Andrew Fitzpatrick?

No!

hshortt

King of Queens is one of the funniest shows, I rate it highly but that could just be where I'm at right now.

I went and bought the first three seasons on DVD from Amazon and really there's only a handful of shows that I would say are below par. Most are excellent and very funny. For anyone interested the fourth season has been announced on DVD and can be preordered on Amazon.

As for Everybody loves Raymond, I love that show too! Again I've got the first two seasons on DVD from America. I would say that it's less funny than King of Queens but there are many cross over episodes which are very enjoyable.

All comedy is dependant on the viewers frame of mind in my opinion, some will love it, others hate it. Tell me any show that's different.

Cheers

limerick_man

Are those Region 1 or 2, cause i'm off to america in a month and am planning to get Region 1 of all seasons out so far (execpt season 1, i have that one already) but if i could get them on Region 2 that would be awesome!

BTW RTE still havent replied to me, only an automatic mail message that said they would reply when they are ready! And they wonder y everone gets pissed with them!

vector

limerick_man wrote:

...BTW RTE still havent replied to me, only an automatic mail message that said they would reply when they are ready! And they wonder y everone gets pissed with them!

I sent RTE an email in 2001 and I'm still "waiting" for a reply

limerick_man

Hey could anyone who agrees with the idea send a quick little email to this address:
andrew.fitzpatrick@rte.ie

It is much appricated, it only has to be a line or something! They have to reply to one of us!

hshortt

limerick_man wrote:

Are those Region 1 or 2, cause i'm off to america in a month and am planning to get Region 1 of all seasons out so far (execpt season 1, i have that one already) but if i could get them on Region 2 that would be awesome!

Region 1 only that I know of. Fourth season will be released on June 14th, I've got it on pre-order myself.

Cheerio
Howard

doh.ie

vector wrote:

I sent RTE an email in 2001 and I'm still "waiting" for a reply

Good luck with that. I can beat it though - I never got a reply to a letter asking why DS9 was dropped mid-season 13 years ago!

I think they only reply if it's something that they're already planning.

Elmo

I generally get replies from RTÉ.

You should ring the Information line they will help you.

[EDIT] OK when i say help i mean it in a round about fashion they will kind of help you if not at least answer your question. [/EDIT]

limerick_man

I heard from an inside source that mail that goes into info@rte.ie is consider spam and chucked but by actually sending it to ppl, you do get a response!

doh.ie

Elmo wrote:

I generally get replies from RTÉ.

You should ring the Information line they will help you.

[EDIT] OK when i say help i mean it in a round about fashion they will kind of help you if not at least answer your question. [/EDIT]

If you mean that old lady who's on the switchboard, and wants to write down your comment or complaint verbatim, then yes, they do listen to you call, but I doubt much comes of it.

I once rang to enquire why an ad for some PS2 game called 'Need for Speed' (or something like that) was aired during a special called "Crash" about boy-racers down the country, many of whom died as a result of driving too fast on crap roads. She didn't seem to think it was a big deal.

limerick_man

I got a reply from info@rte! Here it is:

Thank you for your query, and apologies if your
previous query went astray. We here in the Information
Office respond to all e-mails with diligence, and it is
just the volume from time to time that results in
delays.

In response to your e-mail, I can only advise that as a
policy and where possible, preference is given to home-
produced programmes for primetime slots. Priority is
also give to big audience pullers, which is based on
previous ratings in other countries and/or the
judgement of the current Head of Scheduling at RTE.

RTÉ has secured series 5 and 6. They have not yet been
scheduled. So there will be further series.

I will forward your suggestion today to the Head of
Scheduling for his consideration. It is ultimately his
decision as to how programmes are scheduled.

Your interest in RTÉ programmes is much appreciated.
Kind Regards

Brigitte (Murphy)
RTE Communications

The way she words it though, makes me feel very uneasy and i think that we should keep mailing, that way RTE bosses will realise that the show is popular!