Institute of Education - Revision Notes

*me*

I am trying to source a set of Revision notes from the Institute of Education for the following Subjects and Sections.
Accointing (H) Section A
Biology (H) " B
French (H) " A
irish (O) " A
Home Ec. (H) " B
Maths (H) " A&B

The student in need has already completed a revision course at the institute and has the corresponding sections in the subjects outlined perhaps a swop could be organised or someone could scan and email them to me- they'd be very much appreciated
Cheers

TheDoc

The Institutes notes are copyrighted and by law are not allowed to be supplied to anyone by anyone unless authorized by the institute themselves.

Dont you think we have all tried grabbing them off various places, you cant get them, and thats a lame excuse "student in question" If the "student" completed the course he/she would have gotten the notes.

randomfella

Yea they might be copyright but if u put them up say, on some site what can they do? sue! ha or not even a site, distrubute them through email. Ask for a private message with their email, then email it to them. Or maybe someone could suggest a better way, for people to share notes???

The reason why nobody else has them, is that people who have them, couldnt be bothered sharing them otherwise all the money they spent going there would be a waste. On the other hand i've seen some notes for business, and its almost exactly whats in the book, but could still be helpful all the same.

Stench Blossoms

I paid over €20 for Institute Biology notes last year...If i can fish em out i'll put them up

*Angel*

orla wrote:

I paid over €20 for Institute Biology notes last year...If i can fish em out i'll put them up

Well I don't study Biology but from their French notes I have it's definitely worth 20 euro. I did the course and it was really good.

*me*

Thanks to those of you who replied constructively and in reply to the first respondant; so young but yet so cynical

randomfella

..........so is anybody going to post/email notes or whatever?

Stench Blossoms

What topics of biology do you want? Saying part B means nothing to me. I'm not putting all of them up because it will take ages.

RagShagBill

I wouldn't mind seeing some on the Heart % Blood Vessels if that's not too much trouble. It would be greatly appreciated.

TheDoc

WEll if your so "older" then me, you would realise what you talk of here is illegal, and that boards will be held partly responsible so dont be suprised if this post isnt shut down.

randomfella

cheers doc, invite them to shut it down why don't u? U Idiot do u not think u could have benefited from some notes?

Camogie Playa

RagShagBill wrote:

I wouldn't mind seeing some on the Heart % Blood Vessels if that's not too much trouble. It would be greatly appreciated.

Wouldnt mind The Defence System and Photosynthesis...
They're the worst chaps i think.

Stench Blossoms

Camogie Playa wrote:

Wouldnt mind The Defence System and Photosynthesis...
They're the worst chaps i think.

I'm busy tomorrow so i'll prob have em for ya on friday

TheDoc

Well I'm the idiot and your the one asking for notes??? Good one mate.

And if you understood the English language you would see that my first post was merely a warning. Too many people have the "they wont do anything" attitude. Do what you want I dont care, I was warning you, so dont throw it back at me.

Secondly I'm not "****ting" over my leaving cert. Proven fact is you perform better when you are more relaxed about it. You must look on the bright side and relax and calm down.

Thirdly.The leaving cert exam is structured around the course you do at school. This course involves class work and 3 hours of minimum study. You do grinds and take these notes because you are unable to suceed in the course, hence, who is the idiot?

TheDoc

And yes those notes are very good, but other notes can be found at scoil.net and skool.ie that are also very good. And the best notes you can have are your exam papers Study them, check your answers and you will breeze through it.

RagShagBill

you are unable to suceed in the course, hence, who is the idiot?

People should really glance at what they have typed before telling someone he/she is an idiot.

randomfella

How would asking for notes be classed as being an idiot? I'm just seeking additional information to help me improve my mark in the leaving cert. Listen i'm not ****ting the leaving cert so i don't know why u have that in quotation marks. Another stupid thing u've done. If you had a grasp of the language that would be quite clear now wouldn't it?

I think its great your SOOO relaxed for your leaving cert but some people are trying to get into courses on demand with higher points than the 300 mark. So just because ur not, doesn't mean you have to take an attitude that prevents other people from gettng higher marks i.e sharing notes.
Can't believe i wasted my time responding to u, u idiot!

randomfella

God i just seen this now. You are so annoying.

[DM]-TheDOC- wrote:

You do grinds and take these notes because you are unable to suceed in the course, hence, who is the idiot?

I assume you meant succeed. Well what do u define as succeeding? Tell me, i think thats a really interesting/(another stupid) point you have made.

If this third point of yours is directed towards me, i don't do grinds or have any of these elusive notes.

TheDoc

Unlike writing in english i type extremely quick. Typos can be expected so dont be a prat pointing that out, my bad if you proof read everything you type.

If you have nothing to share then why bother flaming me, you have nothing in common with the thread therefore your comments are un needed. I was merely pointing out a legal mishap happening here. Dont act the prat at me just cause I actually know the law, and actually give a toss bout "boards".

And I dont know what this is about ""I think its great your SOOO relaxed for your leaving cert but some people are trying to get into courses on demand with higher points than the 300 mark. So just because ur not, doesn't mean you have to take an attitude that prevents other people from gettng higher marks i.e sharing notes.""

Firstly it so happens the course i really want to do and like is 300 points, that mark has no reflection on my academic ability. It just shows some of my intellect with the fact I can relax jsut to get my 300 points, I dont see the point in striving for more as the point system is only used for college place allocation.

Secondly I am taking no attitude with anyone. Sharing notes is fine, I beleive I personally posted a topic asking for people to share their mock papers in, but I asked what came up, I didnt ask for copies, which is illegal. I am not preventing anyone from getting marks so I dont know what you are waffling about, I was merely stating that asking for the exact copy of the notes is illegal and basically you and boards can get into big **** for it.

A reason why you cant find institution notes anywhere is because 2 other sites published them and were forced to shut down or face legal action.

randomfella

i find it hard to believe that last comment about two sites being forced to shut down, i've experience on forums of a larger scale, where a software made threats because its products had direct links for downloads and also people were buying and selling it which is also illegal.

Before i waste time and effort on continuing this argument can u please name those sites that were forced to shut down?

Capall86

The intstitute regularly check this site and others, and have sued ppeople in the past over misuse of notes. Some of the teachers are so protective, that one teacher in the school went to the dept. of ed. over the use of his notes by another, and also threatened legal action. Whats the scary thing bout this?
The teacher who used the notes was also teaching in the institute!
I won't say what in think of you asking for notes, as it can be found on another thread!

randomfella

Capall86 wrote:

I won't say what in think of you asking for notes, as it can be found on another thread!

not being smart, but what do u mean here?

Ok i didnt know that they were so strict over it but still i mean they can never force boards to close down, just because people traded their notes. THey can "threaten" legal action but thats round about it once boards ban the posters trading their notes.

JackKelly

Capall86 wrote:

The intstitute regularly check this site and others, and have sued ppeople in the past over misuse of notes. Some of the teachers are so protective, that one teacher in the school went to the dept. of ed. over the use of his notes by another, and also threatened legal action. Whats the scary thing bout this?
The teacher who used the notes was also teaching in the institute!
I won't say what in think of you asking for notes, as it can be found on another thread!

would that be a certain geography teacher? He got in a lot of trouble for that.

Randomfella,if you are going to re-correct someone, be sure not to put "i just seen this now" in the opening sentence.

As for legality, they are copyrighted - its illegal to copy them or put them up on the net. I presume lending them is okay.

Sully

If its copyrighted, I doubt that Boards.ie Administration will allow the notes up.
If its copyrighted, then yes its illegal to trade them.

So, now that you know the story - do what ye want. Dont say we didnt say "We told you so!".

So, thats that. You know the story, I dont think theres need for any more bitching here?!

Drag00n79

Capall86 wrote:

Some of the teachers are so protective, that one teacher in the school went to the dept. of ed. over the use of his notes by another.

The Department of Education would not be an appropriate avenue for a complaint by this teacher.

randomfella

TimAy wrote:

Randomfella,if you are going to re-correct someone, be sure not to put "i just seen this now" in the opening sentence.

Why? I was just adding another point. And felt it warranted another post instead of an edit just to emphasise it.

TimAy wrote:

As for legality, .......I presume lending them is okay.

Thats your first problem there presuming so don't try and tell people what they should and shouldn't say since ur making mistakes yourself. Its illegal to 'lend' them otherwise everybody would 'lend' them to each other.

Rredwell

Before this develops into a completely derogatory conversation:
I think that it is a little mad craving these I. of E. notes as if they were the Holy Grail that would elevate one's LC to some sort of astronomical brilliance. I think your best notes come from your text books (piece out one with another if need be), all the short questions in the papers (section A is great for jogging your memory in Biology) and lots and lots of study. The Leaving Cert. is designed so an ordinary student, who didn't necessarily pay hundreds for a revision course, can do well and get top grades if he/she wants. (What about that guy in Maynooth a year or two ago who got 9 A1s? He was in a Community School.) The only thing that limits you is your own ability - and that means hard work, regardless of notes.

Just because the I. of E. is the top feeder school for Trinity, et al., has more to do with the intensive study sessions and the zealous ambition of the students.

Private education is a 'race to the bottom' that places exam results far higher than an all-rounded education that produces intelligent, happy, balanced individuals.

Oh, and:
Discussing illegal activity (photocopying is illegal for the most part - Copyright Act 1963) online, especially here, is absurdly stupid. This is probably the largest LC forum on the net, and I don't think the Institute is ignorant of our presence. It's not as if they cannot afford legal fees! If anyone wants to discuss breaking the law, they should do it by email or PM, or else we could all lose this valuable resource.

the smiley one

Rredwell wrote:

Private education is a 'race to the bottom' that places exam results far higher than an all-rounded education that produces intelligent, happy, balanced individuals.

I know that this is slightly off topic but I think that is a wide-sweeping generalisation which is largely false. The I of E is only one of few "crammer" schools in the country. Many other private schools provide their pupils with the all round education that is sometimes harder to get in a community school (because private schools have money; money = facilities)

(I hate to be cliched but) I go to a private school that really cares about the students. There is no tiered academic entry. There are remedial classes for those who need them and advanced classes for brighter pupils. The school has facilities to cover all interests - most sports, music, drama, as well as group and clubs covering all interests - christian union, amnesty, chess, photography, hillwalking etc. The teachers are really approachable and help you with whatever they can - they want you to get the best mark you are able to get, and not die in the process. And therefore the products of my school are intelligent, happy, balanced individuals.

JackKelly

randomfella wrote:

Why? I was just adding another point. And felt it warranted another post instead of an edit just to emphasise it.

well that went over your head.

Rredwell

The Smiley One: OK, I made a sweeping statement, and for that, I apologise. But, as a socialist, I believe that all schools should have great facilities, no matter what the income of the pupils' parents is. I don't think it's fair that academic achievement should be based on finances.

And yes, I was referring to 'crammer'-type schools in particular. They are wheels for rich hamsters.

the smiley one

yeah.......had a bit of a rant there...

Anyway, I understand where you are coming from Rredwell, I'd like to believe in socialism but it rarely works in theory, well at least not in Ireland. The truth is, that it is hard to find the same amount of facilities as I have in my school in any community school, and it was one of the main resaons why my parents sent me there.

Also you made the point that academic achievement shouldn't be based on finances; I find this hard to believe that it is totally based on money. For example, my family is not incredibly rich, ok granted we're not hard-up, just fairly comfortable, however my parents chose to spend the extra money on my education because they value it and realise I can't get anywhere without a good one. So perhaps the attitudes of the parents has to figure in somewhere.(I know plenty of people from my primary school who could have gone to a private school but chose not to)

Personally I think crammer schools are just for repeating and xmas/easter courses........exacting what it says on the tin

**katie**

randomfella wrote:

Why? I was just adding another point. And felt it warranted another post instead of an edit just to emphasise it.

Oh God, you don't even know the mistake you made. To avoid making a fool of yourself in the future, it's either
"I've just seen this now"
or
"I saw this just now"

randomfella

Yeah ur right it did go over my head. In fairness i was correcting somebody on a fact not grammar. I think i corrected somebody on their grammar because they tried to tell me something about the english lanugage ... blah blah blah.

Great to see everybody pointing out simple grammatical errors. Great.

Only Human

randomfella wrote:

Yeah ur right it did go over my head. In fairness i was correcting somebody on a fact not grammar. I think i corrected somebody on their grammar because they tried to tell me something about the english lanugage ... blah blah blah.

Great to see everybody pointing out simple grammatical errors. Great.

'Ur' should be 'Your' and 'i' should be 'I'

Rredwell

the smiley one wrote:

The truth is, that it is hard to find the same amount of facilities as I have in my school in any community school, and it was one of the main resaons why my parents sent me there.

Yes, I know it's not an ideal world. In an ideal world every school would have good facilities, but until then, why should good facilities be the preserve of those who can afford them, and of them alone?

the smiley one wrote:

For example, my family is not incredibly rich, ok granted we're not hard-up, just fairly comfortable, however my parents chose to spend the extra money on my education because they value it and realise I can't get anywhere without a good one. So perhaps the attitudes of the parents has to figure in somewhere.

So what you're saying is that poor people don't value education? You seem to be missing my point: that is, that a good education should be available to everyone, regardless of income. What about those who cannot afford provate school fees for their kids; should they just have to put up with low standards and poor facilities? Provision of education is the role of central government, not private bodies who only profit from inequality.

Happy May Day!

Cannibal Ox

So what you're saying is that poor people don't value education?

There's whole thesis based on education in disadvantaged communities, in some cases yes education isn't valued by parents. It's more important that the kid goes out and gets a job in a trade and provide income to the house.

a good education should be available to everyone, regardless of income. What about those who cannot afford provate school fees for their kids; should they just have to put up with low standards and poor facilities?

You think a Socialist Government could do better? In order to come up with the funds to create an equal education system they'd have to tax the living b'jasus out of every worker in the country and cut funding in other areas, which simply wouldn't be tolerated.
A good education is avalible in public schools, just not in every area. It's not an ideal world, and it's not an ideal system. Yes, if you live in a disadvantaged, or lower class, family then the chances are your education will not have the standards of a place like the IoE but as you yourself pointed out with the Maynooth example that doesn't mean you can't succeed.
Teachers aren't going to take the test for you, in the end it comes down to wheter you've done the work or not.

The 'tute does provide top class notes that in almost all cases are better then any book I've read. The teachers are top class, they better be for the money they get, and they facilitate students as much as is humanly possible. Plus, alot of the teachers are really decent people who'll give you all the help you want if your having trouble with a subject. Saying it's "wheels for rich hamsters" is ridiculous. Like I've already said, and you yourself pointed out, in the end it comes down to your ability and the amount of preparation you've done for the LC. You can go to the Institute and still get 100 points.

Rredwell

Cannibal Ox wrote:

There's whole thesis based on education in disadvantaged communities, in some cases yes education isn't valued by parents. It's more important that the kid goes out and gets a job in a trade and provide income to the house.

Right....In some cases! That sounds like a dangerous idea to me. It's as if you are saying the lower classes should not attempt to better themselves. And since when did a college degree not guarantee an income, not to mention better and longer-lasting employment prospects? And I know that not everyone is suited to acadaemia: but why should those who are not get the chance to go to college?

Cannibal Ox wrote:

You think a Socialist Government could do better? In order to come up with the funds to create an equal education system they'd have to tax the living b'jasus out of every worker in the country and cut funding in other areas, which simply wouldn't be tolerated.

Yes I do think a Socialist government could do better. Just because the present government has let public spending go through the roof with little value for money, doesn't mean Labour in government couldn't do better. Our taxes in this country are too low, but still don't manage to pay for the basics: instead they fund Government jets and useless Commissions and Boards. And you think people would not "tolerate" education spending, roperly directed and taxed? As if.

Cannibal Ox wrote:

A good education is avalible in public schools, just not in every area. It's not an ideal world, and it's not an ideal system. Yes, if you live in a disadvantaged, or lower class, family then the chances are your education will not have the standards of a place like the IoE but as you yourself pointed out with the Maynooth example that doesn't mean you can't succeed.
Teachers aren't going to take the test for you, in the end it comes down to wheter you've done the work or not.

So basically we should all just throw up our hands and lament this, because we can do absolutely nothing about it? That's rubbish and you know it. Sure, a lot of it comes down to the student, but the teacher makes a huge impact too. Otherwise every clever pupil in the country would get 600 points, even if they had crap teachers -- but that doesn't happen because schools in disadvantaged areas have worse teaching resources.

The 'tute does provide top class notes that in almost all cases are better then any book I've read. The teachers are top class, they better be for the money they get, and they facilitate students as much as is humanly possible. Plus, alot of the teachers are really decent people who'll give you all the help you want if your having trouble with a subject. Saying it's "wheels for rich hamsters" is ridiculous.

You are contradicting yourself here. You say the teachers are great, and help students out a lot, but earlier on you said it all comes down to the student?! Make your mind up! The fact is it's harder to get on in school if you have rubbish teachers and poor facilities - and why should you have to get this lot in life because of your family's income?

I passionately believe that education is society's great equalizer, and an equal education for all gives everyone the chance to reach their full potential and break down the barriers imposed by income. Certainly, we live in an un-ideal world, but that shouldn't stop us having a vision that we can work towards.

the smiley one

Rredwell

You have made a couple of good points, but unfortunatly, as Cannibal OX commented, we don't live in ideal world, and despite how much you want to believe that perfection is achievable, the best we can ever reach is faulted.

Rredwell wrote:

Yes I do think a Socialist government could do better. Just because the present government has let public spending go through the roof with little value for money, doesn't mean Labour in government couldn't do better. Our taxes in this country are too low, but still don't manage to pay for the basics: instead they fund Government jets and useless Commissions and Boards. And you think people would not "tolerate" education spending, roperly directed and taxed? As if.

Yes, they wouldn't, and I would say the majority of the tax-paying public would agree with me. If we were to raise tax rates, to lets say, those of our Scandinavian counter-parts, there would be uproar. With constant inflation, how do you think the average Joe would react to another 20% being taken out of his pay-packet? People don't care about the future (as can be illustrated by the state of the health-service at the moment), they care about the here and now

Cannibal Ox

It's as if you are saying the lower classes should not attempt to better themselves. And since when did a college degree not guarantee an income, not to mention better and longer-lasting employment prospects? And I know that not everyone is suited to acadaemia: but why should those who are not get the chance to go to college?

No, I'm saying because of their circumstances it's not viable for parents to send their kids off to finish their leaving cert and go on to college.
It's more important for the family to have their children working and providing an income for the house/flat, therefore yes it is more important for some families for their children to work then get their education.

Our taxes in this country are too low, but still don't manage to pay for the basics: instead they fund Government jets and useless Commissions and Boards. And you think people would not "tolerate" education spending, roperly directed and taxed? As if.

No, I don't think people would tolerate higher taxes.
Look at Charles Kennedy and the Liberal Democrats. There promising a better, and fairer standard of living across the UK but will have to raise taxes for it. Will they get into power? The polls would suggest no.

Sure, a lot of it comes down to the student, but the teacher makes a huge impact too. Otherwise every clever pupil in the country would get 600 points, even if they had crap teachers -- but that doesn't happen because schools in disadvantaged areas have worse teaching resources.

Granted, teachers do have an impact but in the end it comes down to you.
If you feel your teacher is sh!t, move class. If you can't move class, get grinds. If you can't afford grinds, get a book and teach your self. If you can't afford that, drop out of the subject and take up another.

You say the teachers are great, and help students out a lot, but earlier on you said it all comes down to the student?! Make your mind up! The fact is it's harder to get on in school if you have rubbish teachers and poor facilities - and why should you have to get this lot in life because of your family's income?

I said the teachers are willing to help students with any problems they have, as you would expect any teacher to do. They are, mostly, nice people who are willing to give you the time if you have a problem with their subject. These are people who are payed very well, and enjoy the job they do and that is shown in their work. Any teacher who doesn't, is usually gotten rid of right quick.
However as I said, and will still say, the teacher isn't going to take your exam for you. They can do everything in the world but it comes down in the end to wheter you do the work or not.

I do like a lot of the things your saying, but I guess I've turned into a bit of a cynical bastard over the past year

Next election I'll probably vote for Labour, and would love to see a system as your saying working but as it is, it's just not possible and I've come to the belief that it's better to deal with what's in front of you then what you wish was in front of you.