total elimination results

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Kazuhiro Nakamura beat Kevin Randleman Decision (Unanimous)

Ricardo Arona beat Dean Lister Decision (Unanimous)

Igor Vovchanchyn beat Yuki Kondo Decision (Unanimous)

Alistair Overeem beat Vitor Belfort Submission (Guillotine Choke) 9:36 r1

Antonio Rogerio Nogueira beat Dan Henderson Submission (Armbar) 8:05 r1

Kazushi Sakuraba Yoon Dong Sik KO (Strikes) 0:38 r1

Mauricio Rua beat Quinton Jackson KO (Strikes) 4:47 r1

Wanderlei Silva beat Hidehiko Yoshida Decision (Split)

also baroni has signed with pride and will be competing at bushido 7 - he could do much better here - if he gets back to his old ways - under pride rules and more importantly in a ring

cletus

God, little Nog won with a submission. Kinda dissapointed with Belfort, losing to a guillotine

dlofnep

cletus wrote:

God, little Nog won with a submission. Kinda dissapointed with Belfort, losing to a guillotine

I should hope so.. He's a black belt under Murilo Bustamante.. Unlucky for Vitor though - His black belt is under further scrutinization.. But I believe Alastair has 3 or 4 wins in the european abu dhabi trials with a guillotene.. It's a bad break for Vitor. He's a good guy.

Also, Yoshida got robbed. 1st round was his, 2nd silva's, 3rd was a throw up but under Pride rules, whoever finishes strongest normally gets the decision. Yoshida finished the strongest.

cletus

dlofnep wrote:

I should hope so.. He's a black belt under Murilo Bustamante.. .

realise this, just seems that a lot of his fights go the distance, and he wins by decisions, great ground work, just doesnt seem to submit as often as you would expect

cmb.

dlofnep wrote:

under Pride rules, whoever finishes strongest normally gets the decision. Yoshida finished the strongest.

not quite true - pride do not score by round but if it is very close than its the fighter who came closest to finishing - while human nature will tend to have a judge score in favour of the fighter who finishes strongest it has no actual bearing on how the fight is scored - thats my understanding of pride scoring rules - agression & ring control only come into play when all other areas are equal

but pride can be quite controversial when it comes to judges - ive lost count of the 'controversial calls' that we have seen

Colm_OReilly

I would like to see that show! It sounds like it was entertaining.

columok

John,

I would have given that one to Wand actually. While I think Yoshida did exceptionally well in shutting Wand down I wasnt hugely impressed with his forward pressure. I think Wanderlei was much more aggressive and deserved the win. Id imagine Yoshida's early R1 yellow card didnt help his case.

Colm,

Its not the best pride you'll ever see. Its a bit lacking in action.

Will burn it for you after the exams.

Colum

Kev

I'd have scored it a draw or given it to Yoshida, Silva didn't really do much except for a few leg kicks at the end.

Clive

From what I've seen (not the whole fight) Wandy clearly won with Pride criteria.

dlofnep

cmb. wrote:

not quite true - pride do not score by round but if it is very close than its the fighter who came closest to finishing - while human nature will tend to have a judge score in favour of the fighter who finishes strongest it has no actual bearing on how the fight is scored - thats my understanding of pride scoring rules - agression & ring control only come into play when all other areas are equal

but pride can be quite controversial when it comes to judges - ive lost count of the 'controversial calls' that we have seen

Of which I outlined that the fight was even, hence the fighter finishing strongest usually wins.

John,

I would have given that one to Wand actually. While I think Yoshida did exceptionally well in shutting Wand down I wasnt hugely impressed with his forward pressure. I think Wanderlei was much more aggressive and deserved the win. Id imagine Yoshida's early R1 yellow card didnt help his case.

I did a PBP on the dog for it.. I'll repost it here on why I think Yoshida won.


Round 1:
The fight starts off with Wanderlei swinging and scoring a takedown. Yoshida neutralizes Wanderlei in guard and is warned after a period of time and the fight is stood back up again. Both men enter a swinging exchange, neither coming out on top missing nearly eveery one of their punches.

About 4 minutes or so into the first round, Yoshida scores a takedown and passes Wanderlei's guard. He throws some shots to Wanderlei and although they are not devastating blows, they are blows to the head that are accurate.

Wanderlei manages to scramble to his feet but is caught headlock down by Yoshida who throws a knee. They then clinch and both men throw a punch, neither doing any damage. Yoshida again scores a takedown and is in Wanderlei's guard. He throws down some blows after about 30 seconds. Wanderlei is looking active in his guard, shifting his hips to try position but Yoshida throws down some more blows, much to the delight of the fans.

There is about 2 minutes left in the first round and Yoshida has his head down. Referee calls for action and Yoshida throws down some punches, Wanderlei throws some back from his guard. Yoshida throws some more punches and Wanderlei goes for an armbar attempt but Yoshida has it scouted.

40 seconds left in the first round and Wanderlei goes for an armbar and then transitions to a triangle. Yoshida spikes him. Only seconds are left and Wanderlei jumps up. They go to clinch but Yoshida lays on his back after failing to secure the takedown.. Wanderlei is looking for the stomp but time runs out. Yoshida has it scouted anyways.

Round 1 Conclusion: I'd give the slight edge to Yoshida here. 2 takedowns and a guard pass. Defends two armbar attempts and spikes Wanderlei hard. Wanderlei doesn't do any damage standing up despite what the untrained eye may perceive by his mad man swinging arms. He does have an active guard however and the armbar and the armbar/triangle transition attempt help his case but it's still not enough.

Round 2:

Round two starts off with Yoshida circling to the right awaiting Wanderlei's trademark swinging arms of doom. Wanderlei lands a shot and his camp scream "HAYYEEE!!!". Wanderlei scores a takedown. He throws some shots and Yoshida attempts an armbar. Yoshida neutralizes Wanderlei for a bit then Wanderlei throws down some hammer fists. None really connecting but looks good in the judge's eyes.

1:30 is left in the fight and Wanderlei is still throwing a flurry of shots every now and again.. He's definately pushing up the points. As he arches up to get leverage to punch down on Yoshida, he throws a stomp but misses. Yoshida goes for a leglock but fails.

One minute is left and Wanderlei throws a punch back into Yoshida's guard. Yoshida attempts an armbar but fails. The rest of the round rolls out in Yoshidas guard with one or two punches landed from Wanderlei.

Round 2 conclusion:
This is clearly Silva's round. He scored the takedowns and was pressing the fight in Yoshida's guard. Besides a leglock and armbar attempt, Yoshida didn't get the chance to do much here. 1-1 at this stage.

Round 3 (AKA final round):

The fight starts off with Silva landing 4 or 5 low kicks over the first minute. Both men look weary.. Silva looking more eager to engage in a fist fight. But hey, why not? That's his forte, right? The second minute sees a high kick attempt by Yoshida that doesn't look to do any damage and some lazy low kicks by Wandy that also dont do any damage. Wandy still looks to be pressing here but Yoshida is throwing a punch or two back to Silva's punches. Silva is slightly edging ahead here.

2 minutes are left and neither men have really commited to a full on attack but Silva is stinging Yoshida with low leg kicks. Yoshida knows he has to press and starts answering with some blows of his own but he's not doing any damage. Wanderlei stings him with another low kick. Yoshida falls to his back and Silva goes for the stomp. Yoshida catches him for a leglock.. Wanderlei trys like a madman to escape using everything he's got. As he bends his knee to try being himself closer to Yoshida, Yoshida sweeps him and catches him in a choke. There is 29 seconds left on the clock and Wanderlei is in trouble. The referee asks if he wants to give up but he sticks it out.. He gives the thumbs up to let the ref know he is alright. The bell rings out.

Round 3 conclusion:
Round three is clearly the hardest round of them all to judge. Wanderlei did the damage early on with low kicks but Yoshida puts Silva in danger late on with a leglock attempt. Yoshida scores a nice sweep into a beautiful choke also but is it enough?

I don't think Wanderlei did enough damage as he would of liked to Yoshida and who knows, if the fight had of been 30 seconds longer, would Yoshida of choked Silva out?

I think this was a very even fight and a real tough one to call for the judges. Yoshida edged the first round but silva clearly gets the second. The third round is a toss-up. After my initial thoughts, I don't think it's all that of a bull**** decision. It was a real tough one to call but I would not of been suprised if Yoshida got the decision. Would I of given it to him? Just barely due to the fact he ended the fight with a choke that could of easily choking Silva out given another 30 seconds as it didn't look like Silva was getting out of it.

Great fight. Not the most convincing performance by Silva but I'm sure he will have more to prove in his next fight.

dlofnep

Clive wrote:

From what I've seen (not the whole fight) Wandy clearly won with Pride criteria.

Watch the whole fight. Wandy had a strong second round which might influence you the wrong way. Yoshida won under Pride Criteria..

Kev

For anyone who doesn't know them here are prides judging criteria from most important to least important.

Effort to finish the fight by KO or submission
Damaging your opponent
Standing combinations and ground control
Take downs and defense
Aggressiveness
Weight differences of 10 kg (22.05 lbs) or more

Neither fighter looked like they were going to get the knockout and Yoshida was striking almost as much as Wanderlei.
On the ground Yoshida had more sub attempts and the gnp was about even as far as i remember.

Clive

Yoshida received a yellow card in the first round for stalling, Wanderlei was active with sub attempts and was going for the finish.

To overcome that yellow card he'd have to pull out all the stops - he didn't. He sat in Wandy's guard for ages, with little to no forward pressure.

I actually haven't seen round two or most of round three - but there was absolutely no choke on at the end of the round. Yoshida looking to the ref was clearly an effort to look to be finishing strong, but if a judo champion can't finish a choke when it's been on for 30 seconds, and the chokee is comfortable enough to give the thumbs up in the middle of it - it's way off.

Kev

I didn't think the choke was on either but I also wouldn't say that Silva was active with subs, he made only a few half hearted attempts and let them go not even trying to finish them. His effort to finish with strikes wasn't much better, he was more aggressive with the strikes but wasn't connecting.

One thing about the judging criteria I'm not really sure of is the weight of a yellow card, maybe that explains some of the difference of opinion.