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I hear today that after showing record profits for the last year NTR say another increase in on the cards for East/West link again next year....

SeanW

Its amazing how you seem to have saved your most ridiculous arguments for a completely irrelevant thread.

Metrobest wrote:

Yes, the DRP will handle population growth along the corridors it serves, but as Kaner pointed out, three new city centre stations do not an integrated system make.

Brand new stations by their nature don't really integrate, integration is how well connected the system is to other lines and other modes of transport. It would be an understantement to say that brand-new stations don't automatically mean "integration." All in the space of less than 5 1/4 kilometers, the Interconnector integrates:

1. Intercity and Suburban lines out of Heuston
2. Luas Red Line at Heuston
3. Green Luas at St. Stephens Green
4. Future Metro at St. Stephens Green
5. DART/Intercity/Commuter rail at Pearse
6. Intercity/Suburban rail and Red line Luas at Spencer Dock.
7. Possible future Dundrum-Whitehall Luas in the Southern City Centre

Is that Integrated enough for you?

And as for your sole gauge of a proposal's merit - number of new stations, the DRP would provide:

• High St.
• St. Stephens Green
• Spencer Dock (under huge redevelopment)
• Adamstown
• M3/N3 P+R at Dunboyne
• Ongar or Clonee
• Pelletstown
• Phoinex Park
• River Road
• M1 P+R
• Malahide Road
• Dublin Airpor

I suppose the Metro plan provides as many new stations, or as many new route kilometers as the DRP for the same money? Of course it doesn't. But don't worry, keep repeating "Metro-is-best" and someday, someone, somewhere might actually believe it.

The first three are directly on the Interconnector plan. Adamstown is in the works, but with the mess on the Kildare line it hasn't a hope in hell unless the DRP/Interconnector goes ahead to give it the capacity and freequency needed. The next two are in the plan for Phase 1 of the Navan rail link - facilitated eventually by the Metro. The next three require the Interconnector to clean up the mess at Connolly and make more train paths available. The next three are on the proposed Dublin Airport Spur, again the Interconnector is critical for these to be of any use.

The 8 trains per hour from Drumcondra to Bray will still be constrained by speed restrictions, level crossings, the Connolly bottleneck... That's why only a metro can deliver the passenger numbers you're talking about.

Connolly Bottleneck? Sorry, you're barking up the wrong tree mate, the Interconnector eliminates the Connolly bottleneck by sending Northern line DARTs out to Spencer Dock from Church Road Junction.

Metro can have a full train every 2/3 minutes, short, fast, frequent.

Yes, Metro can have a 2 car train every 3 minutes (it will be six minutes if the Orbital Metro ever happens), while the Dublin Rail Plan can deliver an 8-12 car DART every 5-10 minutes ...

Passengers want that, or else they use the car. Even a ten-minute wait can be a long time when you're waiting in a cold station, exposed to the elements, and late for work.

Oh, God Lord Jaysuz bless us and save us ... Peoeple will use the car if they have to wait more than 3 min for a train? That doesnt stop millions of people from using Suburban/Commuter, Intercity and Metro trains all over the world. Lord knows how our existing system has any passengers at all if your logic is true.

That's why people use cars: the convenience, the self-control.

People use their cars for various reasons. 1) They don't have public transport, or it cannot cope with demand - as is the case on most of the Dublin Suburban network. Not that you'd have any experiece of sardine can commuter trains/trams in Dublin, living in Amsterdam. 2) Status: The people who think they don't look "executive" or "it" on the bus or train. Or some putz who thinks "my daddy never had a car so I'll drive mine till I DIE, PUNK"

People do not drive simply for "the convenience, the self-control" of being stuck in a traffic jam for 5 hours a day. Either they just want to drive for the sake of it, or they have no choice.

Yes, the Dublin Rail Plan will do some good for those that use the existing service. But you're living a pipe dream if you think that, like waving a magic wand, it will solve Dublin's transport system.

It will completly overhaul the existing services, spawn a string of new lines, stations, services and catchment areas on an unprecedented scale, and provide massive rail transport capacity to St. Stephens Green and the Airport, possibly Swords also. The Interconnector is the Answer.

Only a centralised Dublin metro system can do that.

No, my expatriate friend, it is you who are living the dream.

Lorcan26

christ calm down!

Victor

The above is stuff deleted from the other thread.

LOCKED.