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Cork Race meeting
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13-04-2005 6:54am#1
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Mickb wrote:...Also racing indoors there is no need to glue the tyre to the rim/wheel. So one set of wheels (inserts) can be used for years.......
Actually, you can glue them on and get 'em off later.
Just use high viscosity cyanoacrylate glue, ...3 dots of it on each rim.
The tyre won't move in normal use, but when you want to change/renew the tyre all it takes is six snips with a scalpel for a release job.
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Hey guys...just came across this thread....fromer Cork radio Car Club members will know me well.
JP...I hate to put a dampener on things but Mayfield wont give u the hall without insurance. The club that was CRCC didnt renew their insurance.
In fact, I think you'll find it very hard to get anywhere these days without insurance.
Also, the transponder system is not belong to the club anymore. Noel Q and myself were responsible for paying it off when the club no longer continued to meet.0 -
How necessary is a transponder system?Ken A wrote:Also, the transponder system is not belong to the club anymore. Noel Q and myself were responsible for paying it off when the club no longer continued to meet.
How often is there a neck and neck finish? 0 -
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SLIM19198 wrote:Who owns the transponder system so now?
Not involved with any of Cork's affairs, but I too find the last statement Ken A made a little odd....Ken A wrote:Also, the transponder system is not belong to the club anymore. Noel Q and myself were responsible for paying it off when the club no longer continued to meet.
To me, it sounds like the club was paying for it, but when it disbanded 2 people had to finish the payments on it with their own money. This would mean that the club own a percentage of it, and the 2 people who finished paying it off own the precentage they paid for, no?
Unless of course these 2 people paid for it in full, in which case the transponder system is of course theirs
Sorry if I've misunderstood something,
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coolwings wrote:How necessary is a transponder system? How often is there a neck and neck finish?
If you have ever raced at competition level mate you wouldnt have to ask this !!
It would be almost pre-historic to run a race meeting nowadays without the automated lap counting system and corresponding software.
I'm sure Mick B could add one or two things to this.0 -
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Ken A wrote:I personally dont think a meeting in Cork will work. But hey, who am I to voice my opinion. I have only raced R/c cars On road & off-road for about 10 years !!!
I'm not trying to deny you an opinion, but I personally think you are wrong.
1) You say it cost you 100euro a day to rent a hall? Surely you'd only be racing for 3 hours or so, why rent it for the full day (I think 100euro is over the top anyways, a community centre should be cheap enough).
2)If you stopped charging people 5-8euro a week and instead simply charged membership fees (as most clubs do), then you'd be guarenteed to have the hall paid for and people not showing up wouldn't bother you.
3) Even if you kept your old ways of running it, and just put up the race fees to 12 euro, you could get by on a few people, and with the new members you'd get today (kids, and some people from this board), you should easily be able to get 10 people per meeting.
Thus, I think you're being a little stubborn in saying that a Cork club is impossible
My 2 cents,
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The only decent sized hall we could get ( bearing in mind these cars can get up to 40mph) was in Mayfield and it costs 35e/ph.Fobia wrote:I'm not trying to deny you an opinion, but I personally think you are wrong.
1) You say it cost you 100euro a day to rent a hall? Surely you'd only be racing for 3 hours or so, why rent it for the full day (I think 100euro is over the top anyways, a community centre should be cheap enough).
2)If you stopped charging people 5-8euro a week and instead simply charged membership fees (as most clubs do), then you'd be guarenteed to have the hall paid for and people not showing up wouldn't bother you.
3) Even if you kept your old ways of running it, and just put up the race fees to 12 euro, you could get by on a few people, and with the new members you'd get today (kids, and some people from this board), you should easily be able to get 10 people per meeting.
Thus, I think you're being a little stubborn in saying that a Cork club is impossible
My 2 cents,
Fobia.
Membership fees in our old club was to pay for the insurance of the club which normally cost somewhere between 6oo and 800 euro.
I'm not saying a Cork meet is impossible, I've tried along with a few others for 12 months before we stopped racing in Cork to keep the club afloat and get people racing etc but the interest just doesnt appear to be there. Maybe half a dozen but thats about it. And personally, for the amount of gear I had to carry, with the computer and transponder system, and with it taking half an hour to set it up and half an hour to take it down again at the end ,didnt think it was worth the hassle. And oh...I ran most of the meetings too !
If anyone else wants to give it a go by all means I'll go and watch to see how it's done !0 -
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Ken A wrote:....And personally, for the amount of gear I had to carry, with the computer and transponder system, and with it taking half an hour to set it up and half an hour to take it down again at the end ,didnt think it was worth the hassle. ....Ken A wrote:....Well when it's costing you 100euros a day to race ( fees for the hall ) and you charge 5-8 euros race fees ...you do the maths ....
It is perfectly clear to me why the old club "ran down".
Some clubs exist to simplify the hobby for beginners, pass on expertise, and generally reduce the cost of doing modelling. These clubs are thriving up and down Ireland.
Other clubs quickly "become elitist", tout high priced gear, start winner takes all type leagues, charging for fancy monitoring gear, and generally puts beginners off by increasing the cost of the hobby. No disrespect to anyone but this sort of club usually has been taken over by someone who wants the other members to "pay for their hobby costs". This is a competitive sort of club good for running competitions but not good for new members. These clubs are necessary, but the presence of cheating and the extraordinary measures to fight cheating, just put me right off.
I don't enjoy the time spent there joining in that.
I guess I just prefer a different type of club ....
I guess that a lot of off-road RCers have also voted against race clubs by choosing models that can be used in places where clubs aren't present....
Coolwings - who likes to fly out on the mountains well away from all the hassle some modellers try to put into his hobby
(flame suit on and awaiting lots of crossfire ) 0 -
Well spoken coolwings!
At the moment I would be happy with a bit of waste ground, maybe even a park, where we could meet up, do a bit of bashing, maybe some racing (no monitoring system needed), generally have a fun day out!
If we get a lot more members and better at driving/racing, then we look in to proper racing and event days, but for now, just keep it simple.
A nice car park in the middle of nowhere would suffice!
As for size, the greyhound stadium in curraheen cork has 2 huge car parks, one smooth and one gravel, that are only used at night and only like 4 days a week, anyone want to make enquiries?
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coolwings wrote:It is perfectly clear to me why the old club "ran down".
Some clubs exist to simplify the hobby for beginners, pass on expertise, and generally reduce the cost of doing modelling. These clubs are thriving up and down Ireland.
Other clubs quickly "become elitist", tout high priced gear, start winner takes all type leagues, charging for fancy monitoring gear, and generally puts beginners off by increasing the cost of the hobby. No disrespect to anyone but this sort of club usually has been taken over by someone who wants the other members to "pay for their hobby costs". This is a competitive sort of club good for running competitions but not good for new members. These clubs are necessary, but the presence of cheating and the extraordinary measures to fight cheating, just put me right off.
I don't enjoy the time spent there joining in that.
I guess I just prefer a different type of club ....
I guess that a lot of off-road RCers have also voted against race clubs by choosing models that can be used in places where clubs aren't present....
Coolwings - who likes to fly out on the mountains well away from all the hassle some modellers try to put into his hobby
(flame suit on and awaiting lots of crossfire )
You DO have a good point Coolwings but unfortunately the human mind is competitive by nature. A club starts ( likr ours did) with low priced gear, everyone happy to toddle round a few obstacles. After a few weeks this gets boring and a proper track is developed. When this gets mastered and people get used to driving, they want their cars to go faster !!! And they want to beat other people, which leads to buying faster motors and needing better cells to power these motors etc etc. Thats the way it is !
People start off by meeting on " a patch of land " and giving their cars a run but very soon get bored of that and start off a club, eventually leading to what I mentioned above.coolwings wrote:Some clubs exist to simplify the hobby for beginners, pass on expertise, and generally reduce the cost of doing modelling. These clubs are thriving up and down Ireland.
I've been involved in R/c model car racing well over 10yrs at National and International level, racing and organising and I've never come across a club that solely exists to encourage, facilitate new members. People like to RACE !
Off road racing vehicles prove too expensive for ordinary guys who just want to give their cars a "run" every now and again and that is why they pick "other" types of off-road vehicles which are cheaper and give the same satisfaction level !coolwings wrote:No disrespect to anyone but this sort of club usually has been taken over by someone who wants the other members to "pay for their hobby costs".
I dont particuliarly like this comment mate. It looks pretty obvious you've never been involved in a " racing club".
Our old club had a full committee, money had to be accounted for and money handed out had to passed by the committee and 2 signatures were needed on the cheque. In a well run club, nobody pockets money to "pay for their hobby" or otherwise. This is the way most clubs operate . !!0 -
Not suggesting this happened in the club, (how could I know if it did) but it's the "pushing" of beginners up the technology ladder that is wrong, we all move up as we learn. but at a different speed for each..Ken A wrote:...the human mind is competitive by nature. A club starts ( likr ours did) with low priced gear, everyone happy to toddle round a....people get used to driving, they want their cars to go faster ...which leads to buying faster motors and needing better cells to power these motors etc etc. Thats the way it is !
Absolutely no problems with that, at all. It's how every club gets going.Ken A wrote:... People start off by meeting on " a patch of land " and giving their cars a run but very soon get bored of that and start off a club, eventually leading to what I mentioned above.
I've got to differ with you on this. What about scouts, sports training, athletics, fishing clubs? All of them are far more successful than the pitiful RC racing clubs we have. But they don't put the novices up against the pros. The pros compete with each other, and mentor/teach the novices. They have leagues based on ability. Golf has a handicap system to bring experts down so they can play beginners. If they want to.Ken A wrote:...I've been involved in R/c model car racing well over 10yrs at National and International level, racing and organising and I've never come across a club that solely exists to encourage, facilitate new members. People like to RACE !
I disagree on this too, but not for the reason you'd expect. I think (slightly) more beginners buy offroaders. The reason ... they don't know anyone in their area who already does RC cars. They only find out who does it later after the car is bought. But the club guys don't know how many trucks are out there cos they are being used somewhere out of sight of the club track.Ken A wrote:...Off road racing vehicles prove too expensive for ordinary guys who just want to give their cars a "run" every now and again and that is why they pick "other" types of off-road vehicles which are cheaper and give the same satisfaction level !
Stay cool Ken. I'm not pointing the finger at anyone here.Ken A wrote:...I dont particuliarly like this comment mate. ..Our old club had a full committee, money had to be accounted for ...In a well run club, nobody pockets money to "pay for their hobby" or otherwise. This is the way most clubs operate . !!
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Elitism puts off new entrants to a club, and some members leave. This leaves the "more competitive" ones, and "distils" the competitive streak within the club. The club gets more competitive.
Soon "easy going fun RCer" beginners don't even have to join to see if they will like it, They can tell before joining. No harm. The races will be more interesting as a result.
But don't complain that not enough people join . Some people just decided they didn't like the scene, thats all. The club is smaller.
Like I said, look at successful clubs, like the schools sports teams. Competitive .. yes. Exclusive...definitely not. There is a junior league for every ability level. Education and encouragement is where you get your new members.
But if the race winner is put in charge, forget it.
He needs a league class for his own car make, with tyre restrictions, fuel testing, and so on.
If he has moved up into technology he can barely afford, he will have to sell his used stuff on to people below him in the club pyramid to finance the new stuff.
The 2nd and 3rd guys have to do the same to keep up. Everyone becomes a salesman for used gear. Next thing beginners have high compression engines they can't start or tune, a broken part costs them a small fortune, and it's a limited production version that has to ordered from the other side of the planet.
Like I said - its clear to me why the old club dried up from your own earlier comments. I'll bet it just got too serious, too much trouble/hassle, and the fun went out of it, then attendences slid downhill....
But if a new club is being formed. The club can be setup in such a way so that doesnt happen. That's why a football club has a coach for the team, but a president to keep the coach under control and fire him when things go too far.
This reply is twice the length it should be ... .but you sort of asked me to elaborate 0 -
I totally agree with Ken A, I know this guy ( Hi Ken.I bought your Millennium Pro )and know how long he has been involved in this game... I also with a few buddies have tried to get a club up and running with a weekly meeting. Currently we use an indoor tarmac premises ( which is disgrasefully dusty :mad: )... and we find that out of nearly 20 guys only 6-7 turn up diligently. As for collecting funds.... What a waste of time.. All sorts of excuses... Hall is cheap... €20 for 2 hours.... We have to have our own insurance.. None of us are up to racing standards so we make a long oval track and generally mess about for practice.... Getting back to what Ken A said.... IT GETS BORING...!!! with no timing gear.... ( is that gear up for sale Ken ?.... So for my opinion on this... Do not scathe Ken when he tries to explain the complications involved in this.... We started out as carpark bashers with basic cars... That novelty wore off quickly and we progressed to more expensive equipment...... For what I ask myself ?? it only becomes a more expensive bash...
Maybe if some of you guys want to call to us somenight we charge €10 per month Upfront ( 4 nights even if you do not turn up for 2 or 3 of those nights it is due every 4 weeks) We are contemplating reducing this to €5 and only running twice in the 4 week period, We also chip in €20 per man to go towards insurance.
Anyone interested can contact us (ME as I am left with the job of all this)
vectra14@hotmail.com
or.
I put up a little forum so as we could keep in touch,( doesnt get used much but reg and post if you wish. I normally check daily for new posts etc.)
FMCC
I forgot to mention... We only run ELECTRIC as Nitros are not allowed indoors for insurance purposes. 0 -
Not scathing, actually I sympathise with Ken. He tried to organise people who were less committed than he is ...vectra wrote:... Do not scathe Ken when he tries to explain the complications involved in this....
My point exactly. A club can move away from what its members really want, because it's leaders are more driven than the members.vectra wrote:...We started out as carpark bashers with basic cars... That novelty wore off quickly and we progressed to more expensive equipment...... For what I ask myself ?? it only becomes a more expensive bash... ....0 -
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Keeping between the ditchesKen A wrote:How's it going Vectra ?? Hope all is well in fermoy.
Did you move house yet ? All setled in now I hope 0 -
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Ken A wrote:I dont want to get into debates over these issues.
Pity, it was just getting interesting
Someday I'll come home to see a 4 page battle of knowledge between two or more members, someday....
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vectra wrote:Keeping between the ditches
Did you move house yet ? All setled in now I hope
Actually we didnt Eugene!! It's still on the cards but we're waiting on the crowd who we're buying the house off to move out. They are building and are haveing hassle with the builders...the move is put back till September......ah well !!
BTW...that transponder system could be for sale !! (If ur interested give me a buzz or e-mail ).0 -
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Fobia wrote:Pity, it was just getting interesting
Someday I'll come home to see a 4 page battle of knowledge between two or more members, someday....
Fobia.
TBH there's not much point..As far as I can see there's only one other guy here besides me that has experience in running clubs, and racing as well at competition level, and he's keeping very quiet !!!!
Most points that were brought up by members here were typical of people who dont have a whole lot of knowledge on racing or running clubs...thats the way it looks to me.0 -
coolwings wrote:Aaah, Ken A , you have the transponders .... and if the other guys have the enthusiaism ....
The only remaining difficult question is ... is there anyone nearby willing to be a club secretary ?
I WAS !!!
BTW>>I never said I have the transponders !!! 0 -
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Sorry lads haven't check out forum in about a week - JESUS all I want to do is get one day out racing!!!
Whats all the debate about!! Ken I spoke to Noel and he agreed he help and agreed to loan the transponder system - I'm also looking into other halls just in case we can't get around the insurance problem and also checking if a disclaimer would do for just one day meet.
I didn't mention I wanted to start up the club again (yet) just want to see how much interest there is.
I also nearly have a sponsor off €100 for the race meeting and I have a PC ready at home for the software if its still available!
If there is another debate starting email me so I can join in john@webdesigncork.com
Hope to have more updates on my progress soon
Regards
John
- just trying to get out of the house some Sunday for a brake & a bit of fun0 -
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