Irish Poker Players Tournament Charter, V1.2

DeVore

Irish Poker Players Tournament Charter, (IPPTC) V1.2

1. The cost of Entry, rebuys, topups and registration must be clearly advertised before the event. All buyins, rebuys and topups must remain in the prizepool and be redistributed as prizes to the winners. All running costs and expenses must be covered from the registration fee and/or sponsorship. The number of rebuys and top ups must be recorded and freely available to the players on demand, broken down by player so that each may check what has been recorded against him. ie: full transparency.

2. If the game is a charity or fund raising event, the amount (or formula for the amount) to be taken for the charity/organisation must be clearly explained in the advertising. eg: "€50+5 freezeout with €35 going to the prize fund and €15 to the charity" or "€20+5 rebuy, half of the rebuys and topups going to the charity!"

3. The blinds will not increase more then double each level and each level will be no shorter then 15 mins without prior warning or agreement with the players. The total blinds structure will be available to the players on demand well before the game. See appendix A.
This point applies to offline games only. Online games frequently run speed-poker and other variants and hands are dealt quicker so shorter blinds are more usual.

4. All tournaments must indicate if they will be dealt by non-playing dealers. In the case where a number of tables towards the end of the tournament will have such dealers this must be clear on any advertisement. The tournament director must be named before the event.

5. The structure of the tournament and the nature of rebuys, topups and the rules regarding them will not be changed once the tournament has begun without the agreement of the players and should only change from advertised under extreme circumstances. In such an event the players must be informed of the change before the first hand is dealt and a full refund offered without quibble.
If in the later stages of the tournament the players agree to changes in order to facilitate an early finish or for other reasons, then agreement must be unaninmous.

6. Rebuys and topups will not be less then 1/2 the original entry fee.

7. The organisers of the event must be stated clearly. ie: "€100+10 Freezeout, €4000 guarunteed. Organised by PokerTourniesAreUs Ltd"

8. After topups are finished, the players have a right to know how many prizes will be paid out ie: 18 places will be paid.

9. A "guarunteed" prize pool means that the figure "guarunteed" is the minimum the prizepool will be. If the buy-ins rebuys and topups exceed this figure, the prizepool should increase accordingly. The prizepool should NOT be capped (ie: limited to) this figure. "Estimated" implies neither a guaruntee or a cap but a non-binding aspiration of the organiser.


Appendix A:
A recommended blind structure for a 2000 chip rebuy tournie is:
25/50
50/100
75/150
100/200
150/300
200/400
300/600
400/800
500/1000
800/1500
1K/2K
1.5K/3K
2K/4K
3K/6K
4k/8K
5k/10K
10K/20K <---- blinds freeze at this level.
All blinds are 20 minutes in length.


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Jem, Pokerevents, Red1 and others who are organising tournies.... what do you think of this? Would you sign your tournies up to it?

Players, is there anything else you think I should have in there? Would you be more likely to attend a tournie that was complaint with this charter then not?

DeV.

Doc Farrell

Impressive piece of work kiddo, well done.

(you may want to get the old dictionary out to make sure your spelling is gauruunteedd perfect!)

Pokerevents

spot on. I would have no problem with your charter as a organiser, and as a player I would be happy to play in any events that comply with this, however are we in danger of disgarding well run tournaments that dont fully comply with this set of rules.

amp

Pokerevents wrote:

spot on. I would have no problem with your charter as a organiser, and as a player I would be happy to play in any events that comply with this, however are we in danger of disgarding well run tournaments that dont fully comply with this set of rules.

Don't like item 9 eh?

roryc

VERY NICE!

Yeh id feel a lot better playing in a tourny if i knew it was followoing a certain set of rules. I'm sick of being robbed by 'guaranteed' prize funds. For example the UCD tournament which had a 20euro buy in and unlimited rebuys + a top up. With over 300 players and a rake of buyins and top ups, i was surprised to find out that when a placed 13th I got 50euro handed to me. I had spent 60 euro overall includin reg, 1 buy in and 1 top up.....go figure

Pokerevents

I run a €10k guaranteed every wednesday in the westwood. It is balancing out between 100 and 125 players. Some weeks I make a profit, other weeks if the numbers are down I play myself in the hope of finishing high so my losses are limited. This is proving to be a very enjoyable tournament for the players and if I'm not mistaken the biggest weekly tournament in Ireland. However it doesn't fully comply with your charter even though every single player has given it the thumbs up and even the experienced players have said it is the best run Tournament they ever partiscipated in. A big factor is the €10k guaranteed every week. What do you suggest?

NickyOD

Pokerevents wrote:

I run a €10k guaranteed every wednesday in the westwood. It is balancing out between 100 and 125 players. Some weeks I make a profit, other weeks if the numbers are down I play myself in the hope of finishing high so my losses are limited. This is proving to be a very enjoyable tournament for the players and if I'm not mistaken the biggest weekly tournament in Ireland. However it doesn't fully comply with your charter even though every single player has given it the thumbs up and even the experienced players have said it is the best run Tournament they ever partiscipated in. A big factor is the €10k guaranteed every week. What do you suggest?

No one is disputing the fact that your tournaments aren't well run. They have come a long way in a very short space of time. They are the biggest in Ireland because they are easily accessible, well advertised, and benefit from having a larger capacity than the casinos, but as you can see from the poll I posted the vast majority of players would prefer if the prizepool was not capped, but instead reflective of the number of entries.

Pokerevents

In that case it cannot be 10k guaranteed, as some weeks the numbers will not fund that amount. The fact it is 10k guaranteed every week seems to be what the players want.
Should I go by your poll or what my players want?

DeVore

If you used the phrase "Estimated Prizepool: 10K" then

1. You'd be in accordance and could put it on your posters.
2. You'd never make a loss on any week. Of course, you would have to put all the money from the non-reg fund into the prize pool.

Or you could use "Prizepool Guarunteed and Capped at 10K!"

How am I excluding your tournie?

DeV.

DeVore

As for disregarding well run poker events.... yes, I understand your concern but what I'm putting down here is the base level for any event that can be considered "well run".

There are plenty of players who wouldnt know a well run tournie if it fell on their heads and sang to them but we'll educate them as to the level of return and professionalism they should expect. To me, and I feel to the vast majority of players, that charter represents a base-line below which we should be avoiding.

DeV.

Phil_321

NickyOD wrote:

but as you can see from the poll I posted the vast majority of players would prefer if the prizepool was not capped, but instead reflective of the number of entries.

In all fairness, that was a pretty retarded poll. I'm sure if you posted another poll asking if people would prefer if the tournaments put all the takings back into the prizepool the vast majority would vote yes for that too. :rolleyes:

Pokerevents

yea, makes sense.
galway weekly tournament is now guaranteed and capped at €10k

NickyOD

Phil_321 wrote:

In all fairness, that was a pretty retarded poll. I'm sure if you posted another poll asking if people would prefer if the tournaments put all the takings back into the prizepool the vast majority would vote yes for that too. :rolleyes:

The funny thing is Phil, the minute I rant about capped prizepools everyone tells me to shut up, but when I post a poll about it almost everyone agrees with me. Go figure!

DapperGent

Phil_321 wrote:

In all fairness, that was a pretty retarded poll. I'm sure if you posted another poll asking if people would prefer if the tournaments put all the takings back into the prizepool the vast majority would vote yes for that too. :rolleyes:

If you're plank enough to be unconcerned about capped prize pools that's fine. On the other hand I don't see why you should have a problem with someone arguing that poker players should get transparent value for money.

Phil_321

NickyOD wrote:

The funny thing is Phil, the minute I rant about capped prizepools everyone tells me to shut up, but when I post a poll about it almost everyone agrees with me. Go figure!

Yes, they might prefer if the prizepools weren't capped, just like they'd love all the takings to go back in. I myself would would've voted for uncapped on your poll too if I had've been bothered to vote.

However I think everyone (bar yourself) realises that the organiser has a right to run a tournament how he sees fit and that the players can vote with their feet. I don't think the organiser should be dictated/harrassed into running a tournament a certain way based on what somebody off the net tells him.

Davey Devil

Nobody is harrassing Fintin. Origionally he asked for opinions of his events and those opinions have been voiced.

Pokerevents

good point davey, I did ask for feedback. However with all the many very good proposals and sensible points raised, I was also on the recieving end of abusive and discouraging comments that I can only now put down as mad ranting.

DeVore

So you'll be signing up too?

DeV.

Pokerevents

I'm willing to adhere to the above charter, for my next series of events.

NickyOD

Pokerevents wrote:

I'm willing to adhere to the above charter, for my next series of events.

Fair Play Fintan.

jem

DeVore wrote:

Irish Poker Players Tournament Charter, (IPPTC) V1.2

1. OK.
2. ok
3. ok
4. ok
5. ok
6.ok
7. ok
8.ok
9. ok.

DeV.

10. I would add in If the prize pool is capped at a figure it must be clearly stated that it is capped and the figure that it is capped. These facts cannot be in the small print on the advertising.

I would add in this fact which would allow the likes of Poker events to be advertised and aid the clarity of all events.

james