Heavy metal guitars

Father Jack

hey guys,
jus wonderin what you all consider to be the best heavy rock/metal guitars out there...

and i dont want to hear bout karl hungus' bc rich collection...

Karl Hungus

Father Jack wrote:

and i dont want to hear bout karl hungus' bc rich collection...

So basically you're asking a question, and refusing the answer? :rolleyes:

Bazz

Shredders go for Ibanez, all the way

jcoote

jacksons hit pretty hard

http://jacksonguitars.com

feylya

Solid body guitar with reasonably high output pickups.

david

For heavy rock/metal I would say that for pure tone, the Les Paul wins... But for functionality and ease of play I say Ibanez... It all depends on the players needs... I play Ibanez because theyre easy to play and they have a decent trem system and I'm not a shredder...

Lemming

Father Jack wrote:

hey guys,
jus wonderin what you all consider to be the best heavy rock/metal guitars out there...

and i dont want to hear bout karl hungus' bc rich collection...

erm .....

how about:

whatever guitar you try out that actually feels comfortable & has a sound you like. Last time I checked, there weren't any "heavy rock/metal" guitar brands out there.

NotMe

Lemming wrote:

erm .....

how about:

whatever guitar you try out that actually feels comfortable & has a sound you like. Last time I checked, there weren't any "heavy rock/metal" guitar brands out there.

http://www.musik-service.de/ProduX/Gitarren/EGitarren/BCRich_Beast_NJ_Serie_Black_HP.htm
Not exactly a jazz guitar is it?






(I do know what you mean)

Karl Hungus

Not that specific shape, NotMe... But I've seen blues players play Mockingbirds before, and I'd doubt there's any style of guitarist who'd be apprehensive playing one of these babies.

feylya

Jesus, that's almost nice

Karl Hungus

Almost!?

It's a ****ing word of art!

dabhoys

I must say the Hamer I saw Tipton playing was nice. I would have to say my favourite metal guitar is the Randy Rhodes signature model. Boy is it pretty.

But the best sound for me is still the Les Paul and most metal/ rock records rythm tracks will be recorded with one. Gotta love the les pauls for that....

feylya

Personally, I never understood the fascination with "metal" guitars that have more points than a hedgehog. Personally, I'd choose a guitar with good specs, fantastic tone and a great feel rather than spend hours deciding that a guitar looks more metal than another. But that's just me.

dabhoys

Most metal guitars are for the stage really. The records are usually recorded with a guitar like a Les Paul or Fender. Fenders have a lovely tone too....

feylya wrote:

Personally, I never understood the fascination with "metal" guitars that have more points than a hedgehog. Personally, I'd choose a guitar with good specs, fantastic tone and a great feel rather than spend hours deciding that a guitar looks more metal than another. But that's just me.

feylya

They do. Just ask Iron Maiden

So, Iron Maiden use Fenders and Opeth use Prs's. Two metal bands with very non metal guitars (by the standard definition of "metal guitar"). What's the point? (Pardon the pun)

dabhoys

PRS record very nicely too especially the customs....

feylya

Yeah yeah, you and your Prs :rolleyes:

dabhoys

The McCarty has les hot pick ups. There more bluesy then the Custom Pickups. I'm thinking about getting some Hotter pick ups for it...

feylya

Dare I suggest you put some lumps of black plastic into your PRS? Would there be a witch hunt?

What are you thinking? Some Gibsons or Duncans?

dabhoys

I'm not an EMG fan myself. I was thinking about Seymours but the good Doc suggested to me to keep it in the family and pick up some of the PRS pick ups to put in there. The Tremonti pick ups are the hottest ones they make. I must say he gets a sweet tone. He's not a bad guitarist either if you look pass the creed thing...

feylya

Aye. I was looking at the Tremonti SE when I was searching for a new guitar. But they disappeared just before I had the money due to the lawsuit.

Putting anything other than PRS in a PRS would be sacralige.

Karl Hungus

feylya wrote:

So, Iron Maiden use Fenders and Opeth use Prs's. Two metal bands with very non metal guitars (by the standard definition of "metal guitar"). What's the point? (Pardon the pun)

Nile mainman Karl Sanders also uses a Fender, but I think it's what you do with it that counts. I mean, is a guitar is "Metal" purely by virtue of it's spikes, rather than what it's used for? I don't particularly think so.

I'd say BC Rich are very metal by virtue of who played them, and what they did with them, not so much of some of the shapes. Pick up an album by Death, Morbid Angel, Emperor, Iced Earth, Immortal and so forth, you'll be hearing BC Rich guitars. So I don't think they're just for stage, as Dabhoys points out.

dabhoys

Thats what the good doc told me too

You can still get the Tremonti on ebay. I think they still have some in town too. There not bad guitars really. The quality is quite good from there. All though for that money you could get some Fender Japan stuff...

Thats the next things on my list. Going to be getting me some nice Fender Japan bass's for my recording and playing needs....

dabhoys

I know there not only for stage. I agree with you. Alot of them time though its not the case.

BC Rich make some sweet guitars. Especially the older stuff.I wouldn't mind an old school Mockingbird. Hmm....

Karl Hungus wrote:

Nile mainman Karl Sanders also uses a Fender, but I think it's what you do with it that counts. I mean, is a guitar is "Metal" purely by virtue of it's spikes, rather than what it's used for? I don't particularly think so.

I'd say BC Rich are very metal by virtue of who played them, and what they did with them, not so much of some of the shapes. Pick up an album by Death, Morbid Angel, Emperor, Iced Earth, Immortal and so forth, you'll be hearing BC Rich guitars. So I don't think they're just for stage, as Dabhoys points out.

Karl Hungus

And lets not forget that this legend of a man played BC Rich:

dabhoys

Amen to derrick. Theres a reason why I've got a Derrick Smalls t shirt..

He's the luke warm water....

I love that movie. It gets funnier everytime I watch it.

feylya

Karl Hungus wrote:

Nile mainman Karl Sanders also uses a Fender, but I think it's what you do with it that counts. I mean, is a guitar is "Metal" purely by virtue of it's spikes, rather than what it's used for? I don't particularly think so.

I'd say BC Rich are very metal by virtue of who played them, and what they did with them, not so much of some of the shapes. Pick up an album by Death, Morbid Angel, Emperor, Iced Earth, Immortal and so forth, you'll be hearing BC Rich guitars. So I don't think they're just for stage, as Dabhoys points out.

Didn't he start out building guitars for jazz players though...

We could be here all night debating what is and isn't a metal guitar. Like I said, a solid body guitar with a high output humbucker is all you need for metal.

dabhoys

Yeah true about that. Its all about the leather

Karl Hungus

No, he started out building guitars for Flamenco.

All goes to show that it's what you do with the guitar that counts.

feylya

Leather cod pieces! Manowar all the way baby

All goes to show that it's what you do with the guitar that counts.

In the case of BC Rich, smash it

dabhoys

What about a leather guitar?? With some studding and all on it!!!

Thats the metal guitar!!!

Karl Hungus

That would sound **** though!

Gimmie one of These Babies any day though. Hell, I'd gladly take one of those over a PRS any day.

feylya

I've actually been talking about doing that :eek:

Here's the most metal guitar ever. Now stop your belly aching:

feylya

Karl Hungus wrote:

That would sound **** though!

Gimmie one of These Babies any day though. Hell, I'd gladly take one of those over a PRS any day.

Pfft, it'd be nice if it wasn't for those cloud inlays.

dabhoys

I haven't got a pic of my les paul but it looks like this one.

http://www.ritchiesmusic.com/images/used/used20041111-007.jpg

I wouldn't trade it for anything it the world. I love the ebony fretboard.

Thats a nice BC Rich. Alot like the mockingbird. I like the through neck design...

Karl Hungus

Jaysis! Lose the EMGay and we're talking, but personally, I think that would be fairly useless... There's barely any higher fret access there at all.

feylya

Eh, they're all sharpened knvies. That guitar can't be played without slicing your hand open. The body was made by a knife maker.

dabhoys

I haven't got EMG's. I've just the stock ones. I was recording today and hadn't any problems reaching the upper frets. But yes it could be easier to get up there...

Heres a question. Who made the first through neck designed guitars??? I'm curious.....

Karl Hungus

dabhoys wrote:

I haven't got a pic of my les paul but it looks like this one.

http://www.ritchiesmusic.com/images/used/used20041111-007.jpg

I wouldn't trade it for anything it the world. I love the ebony fretboard.

Thats a nice BC Rich. Alot like the mockingbird. I like the through neck design...

Aye, a good neck-through is always a plus in my opinion. I'm not too gone on the Les Paul, or PRS guitars, mainly because of the big fecking heel on the set-neck.

Still, that LP does look the business.

feylya

The heel on the Ibanez absolutely rocks.

As for neck through, I really couldn't tell you. I wouldn't be surprised if it was BC Rich. Fender pioneered the replacable neck and Gibson was always the set neck manufacturer.

Now, find me a guitar more metal than Nigal Tufnel's Ernie Ball!

dabhoys

Thats a guitar alrite. How much did that one on ebay for charity sell for again???

feylya

I couldn't tell you.

Why settle for one guitar when you can have four guitars in one! Now with free hair spray.

Karl Hungus

Gah! That's madness! What is that, 4 humbuckers, or 8 single coils!?

As for Neck-through, BC Rich were definetly pioneers, as I think they were really the first manufacturer of neck-through guitars, but I don't think they were the inventors.

dabhoys

You ever seen that dude play its almost like he's not even playing he plays so fast.

I think rickenbackers were making through neck pretty early on.

feylya

8 Humbuckers.

Just think about how many guitar companies started selling neckthrough's in the 80's. Who started it?

dabhoys

I know Rickenbacker we're doing it with there bass's. We're they doing it with the guitars too....

feylya

Aye, Ric guitars were neck through afaik. Were they the first? I dunno.

Karl Hungus

I just dug up this article about BC Rich, and it does mention something about the neck-through design, but not the origins of it.

Karl Hungus

It might be worth noting that Rickenbacker were actually the first to make an electric guitar, just take a peek at this. Interesting read.

dabhoys

I knew ric made the first electric guitar but I wonder if they made the first through neck. The good Dr. might know...

feylya

It seems that the first Gibson "log" guitar was a neck through but the first production guitar to feature a neck through body design was the Bigsby Merle Travis, of which about a dozen were made in 1947.

Also, neck through guitars were made before bolt on and set neck guitars!