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Banning defaced site posts. Policy change?

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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 10,501 Mod ✭✭✭✭ecksor


    Try to stay on topic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,787 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    What spooked me about hacking was when the lotto got done and one of the "hiya"s was to someone I know.

    That person could just have easily just changed the night's lotto numbers and cost someone a few million.

    I don't think these people should be allowed to expand their advertising but at the same time there are a lot of admins who are not keeping security up to date (and software publishers leaving a lot of holes in their product).


    Changing call sign to SIERRA PAPA OSCAR OSCAR FOXTROT.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,308 ✭✭✭quozl


    <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Victor:
    That person could just have easily just changed the night's lotto numbers and cost someone a few million.

    [/B]</font>
    Are you on drugs? No of course they couldnt have. The exploit being used for most of these recent attacks just lets you insert an arbitrary text string in. Hence the muppety short Greetz msgs.
    quozl


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 375 ✭✭[fist]de_psIRE


    Personally, I wouldn't want the topic of defacements to me removed entirely from boards. There are valid discussions to be had in this area, which would be badly served by the inability to post links to certain defacements. How they were done, who is doing them, what can be done to resolve the problem are all valid topics in my opinion.

    What I do not agree with is the posting of topics to show how impressive your own hacking skills are. For a start, these people are admitting to a criminal offense which I would view as being more suited to a discussion in a jail cell then in our respected forums. Secondly, I would not like to see boards become a meeting place for these people where they can then enhance there own abilities to cause more of these defacements.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22 koriordan


    For what it's worth, I say let people post defacements and whatever.

    Sure, they provide little or no use to anyone. The same could be said about 9x% of posts on this board, other boards, newsgroups, mailing lists, and just about every other public forum.

    Mostly, this kinda thing is about killing time, ego-tripping, and religious debate, or am I grossly mistaken ?

    Ah, I guess I kinda like script-kiddies. A million greetz go by and the next one's just as fresh, just as sharp and incisive as the first. Can't beat that script-kiddie wit. Odd, that.




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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 65 ✭✭wintermute



    I also feel that they should be removed. The purpose of this board, from what I gather, is to provide a forum for the free discussion of thoughts and questions in the area of Infosec, not an "I hacked this" BBS.

    There is a whole world of difference between the following to (imaginary) topics:

    1. Interesting method of defeating an LMF VPN architecture - any fixes?

    2. www.tired-and-overworked-sysop.ie hacked by Capt. *******; Any comments?

    Boasts about blowing bits of IIS do not, in my opinion, belong on a forum which discusses system security. They should be consigned to /dev/null or other forgotten regions of the kingdom.

    Final point: These people appear to have such empty boring little lives. Maybe they should put this time to good use and set up some FIDO Net nodes or dial-in BBSes something.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 65 ✭✭wintermute


    <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by koriordan:
    Ah, I guess I kinda like script-kiddies. A million greetz go by and the next one's just as fresh, just as sharp and incisive as the first. Can't beat that script-kiddie wit. Odd, that.

    </font>

    We used to have DEMOs for that. Do they still exist?

    But then, those guys actually knew assembly!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10 cat5cowboy


    <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by nitr0s:

    Security isn't being taken seriously by the majority of admins in Ireland.Its still poor, and all admins can do is label the people breaking in as "lamers" "script kiddies" or some other lame excuse not to do their job, its pathetic.

    BTW: This is just what I think, If you don't agree with me, fair enough, i'm not asking you to.But I know at the moment in several major colleges with computer networks, they have been broken into and are currently being used to extend attacks.
    </font>

    Thank god you aren't asking people to agree with you, your comments show what I already think of you, you are a muppet.
    One day when you grow up and get a job as a system admin and realise how much you have to do before you think about security then you can comment on such matters, until then I would suggest you keep your mouth shut on such matters.

    Colleges are places to learn, if only ssh was open and users couldn't run any daemons do you think people would learn as much with limited resources?
    I will end it here because I don't think your post is worth taking apart, anybody with half a clue will have realised after the first few lines that it is crap and would have moved on.


    [This message has been edited by cat5cowboy (edited 28-05-2001).]


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22 koriordan


    <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Boasts about blowing bits of IIS ... should be consigned to /dev/null or other forgotten regions of the kingdom.</font>

    Where the hell's that ?



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 10,501 Mod ✭✭✭✭ecksor


    I find it hard to believe you're not familiar with the concept of /dev/null considering that you have spoken so authoritatively on the subject of system administration in the past.

    http://tswww.cc.emory.edu/Applications/man2html?null


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,859 ✭✭✭logic1


    I didn't reply as I assumed he was joking.

    .logic.


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 10,501 Mod ✭✭✭✭ecksor


    Maybe he was.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,264 ✭✭✭✭Hobbes


    <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by X_OR:
    I find it hard to believe you're not familiar with the concept of /dev/null considering that you have spoken so authoritatively on the subject of system administration in the past.[/URL]</font>

    You could say his output device was broadcasting nulls. smile.gif (obscure BOFH reference).



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,525 ✭✭✭JustHalf


    Root you git! I wanted that name! smile.gif


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 332 ✭✭spod


    but what about the nl: device on a proper os?

    wink.gif



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,525 ✭✭✭JustHalf


    <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by spod:
    but what about the nl: device on a proper os?</font>
    Which OS is this then?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,264 ✭✭✭✭Hobbes


    <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by koriordan:
    Hmmm. /dev/null sounds like a poor imitation of the recycle bin ... seems you can't restore deleted items from /dev/null, unless I'm missing something.</font>

    Actually it would be the same as "NUL" or "NUL:" in windows/dos which also came after /dev/null, not before.


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 10,501 Mod ✭✭✭✭ecksor


    I think the OS he is referring to is VMS.

    Anyway, DeV has ruled on this issue.
    I'm going to close this and all the defacement threads now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22 koriordan


    Hmmm. /dev/null sounds like a poor imitation of the recycle bin ... seems you can't restore deleted items from /dev/null, unless I'm missing something.


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 10,501 Mod ✭✭✭✭ecksor


    For it to be an imitation it would have to have come after the recycle bin. Also, it's merely a pseudo device that swallows input and is always empty when read from rather than having anything at all to do with deleting files.


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