If a security van is robbed do you give a damn?

mike65

Cos they don't seem to...!

So for the second time in as many weeks a van with a couple of million mixed and non sequential euro is stolen. This time as I'm, sure you know when some dumb lug employee is buying coffee. Fer petes sake.

This evening it transpires that the van in question had its roster changed at the last minute. The van was'nt going to have any money in it, then a change of plan...So did the thieves get lucky or was this an inside job?

Why are'nt the secuity companies looking to thier laurels? And why are'nt the banks screaming blue murder? Cos they dont care. Why should they, both sectors are very profitable and they can afford the insurance. A few million goes a long way tooling up professional criminal gangs but is'nt a blip on the
banks bottom line.

I supect many reckon its a nothing sort of crime, its only money etc. Well that moneys going on keeping this countries criminal elite in robust business and we all pay for that sooner or later in many ways.

Mike.

Badabing

I'm amazed there was no garda escort for the van, i mean ffs there was 3 million euro in the back and it is happening so reguarly now, no wonder Mcdowell is having a high level meeting tomorrow.

RuggieBear

inside job....

Not really difficult to track vehicles using even mobile phone techonolgy and GPS. Very easy to link it to a map....I used to do this for another firm. It's not that expensive...even relatively!

Most security firms are idiotic if they don't track their vehicles....you have the location of the vehicle to within 5m and with a panic button fitted the police can be notified within seconds

lomb

twas an expensive coffee to be sure......................

Wertz

No, the only time we seem to care about security van robberies in this country is when the IRA are implicated.

Almost every weekend the bank deliveries in the town I live in carry a full escort of armed soldiers and gardaí, yet there has never even been an attempt to hijack a van here in as long as I can recall.
Yet 2 weeks after the other Dublin heist, these drivers are swanning around, stopping for a breakfast roll with last week's lotto jackpot in the boot, at an inner city 24hr shop, WITH NO ESCORT??

I dunno about the inside job thing, but FFS, where's the 21st century security as mentioned above?

Imposter

Badabing wrote:

I'm amazed there was no garda escort for the van, i mean ffs there was 3 million euro in the back and it is happening so reguarly now, no wonder Mcdowell is having a high level meeting tomorrow.

Don't be so amazed. You would want to have seen some of the schenanigans that went on when the euro was rolled out (from both the security firms and the criminals).

Both Brinks and the drivers were at fault here. Brinks for loading the money in the first place without an escort and the drivers for stopping for the coffee. There is supposed to be an escort for large amounts (I think it's over 1m) but that doesn't always happen. The fact that plans were changed at the last minute looks like it may have been an inside job!

The securicor robbery last week was also highly suspicious but as Mike says, they can all afford the insurance.

528i

Whoever decided at the last minute (both of them?) to change their normal route to included this coffee run was obviously involved,. way to many coincidences for my liking, they'd be interrogated with 20,000volt probes on their nipples if I was the chief superintendent (or maybe i'd be in on it too)

Wertz

It's deliciously ironic that the white Transit (used for the cash withdrawal) was found today, abandoned at Dromad in Co Louth (on the Armagh/Louth border).
A decision to dump it there is an obvious attempt by the perps to shine the light on paramilitary involvement...
..and before we get zealots coming in claiming it was the provos; they'd not be as stupid as to leave such vital evidence right in the middle of one of the most surveiled tracts of land in the EU. From Dromad, at least 4 British army watchtowers scan the area, along with several security cameras at the Nightclub/hotel complex.

By now the cash has already left the country, probably by several routes/means.
I'd be VERY surprised if any of it crossed into NI though...

lomb

Wertz wrote:

I'd be VERY surprised if any of it crossed into NI though...

or the IRA cell involved could be lazy bastards..................

Wertz

lomb wrote:

or the IRA cell involved could be lazy bastards..................

Given that they'd have to have been up prior to 7am yesterday morning, and waiting at Clonshaugh to follow the van, no...

On a sidenote;
Wouldn't it be a great cost saving measure on the part of Brinks Allied, Securicor etc. to fit a small kitchenette in the vans they use? Would certainly be a lot cheaper than paying out on the hike in insurance premiums

mike65

Wertz wrote:

On a sidenote;
Wouldn't it be a great cost saving measure on the part of Brinks Allied, Securicor etc. to fit a small kitchenette in the vans they use? Would certainly be a lot cheaper than paying out on the hike in insurance premiums

That was mentioned on liveline today - a galley and a toilet and they're sorted.

Mike.

Nermal

The cash containers should automatically dye the notes if not brought back to base within a certain period.

Obviously there is a way round this or there would be no point to the robberies. Why haven't they updated them?

Wertz

Nermal wrote:

The cash containers should automatically dye the notes if not brought back to base within a certain period.

Obviously there is a way round this or there would be no point to the robberies. Why haven't they updated them?

Their unions probably decided that such countermeasures were a potential hazard to their members and voted to take strike action if they were implemented.

Ergo; it was the unions who did the heist!

MrPudding

Wertz wrote:

....... they'd not be as stupid as to leave such vital evidence right in the middle of one of the most surveiled tracts of land in the EU....

Or maybe they thought that people would think this and therefore did it so people would think that it wasn't them. Cunning like a fox.

And by the way what makes paramilitaries (illegal ones that is) smart? Smart enought to blow up a rememberance parade? Smart enough to blow up Omagh on a Saturday afternoon....... the list goes on. I am not trying to get into a RA bashing disscussion but lets face it, they, and other illegal paramillitaries, have been known to do fcuking stupid things in the past.

MrP

Wertz

MrPudding wrote:

Or maybe they thought that people would think this and therefore did it so people would think that it wasn't them. Cunning like a fox.

And by the way what makes paramilitaries (illegal ones that is) smart? Smart enought to blow up a rememberance parade? Smart enough to blow up Omagh on a Saturday afternoon....... the list goes on. I am not trying to get into a RA bashing disscussion but lets face it, they, and other illegal paramillitaries, have been known to do fcuking stupid things in the past.

MrP

That's a fair point but most of the fcukers tend to take off their dunces hats when it comes to money. Especially those kind of amounts.
Bombing civilians is stupid fullstop, no matter whther it's the provos or the US military that's doing it.
I'll stick with my assertion that it's a plant/decoy, till proven otherwise.


[edit] Oh and to answer your specific point on leaving the van at the border (especially at that part of it): why would they? Why would anyone?
Any self respecting hood knows full well to go get the matches and burn it out. Disposes of any DNA/forensic evidence a lot more thoroughly than a valet and carwash sevice. This can be done anywhere you please, but is probably best done in a field or forest in the arsehole of nowhere so that it's not found for a while.