Smoking Ban... What F€#kin Smoking Ban???

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*10 begin drunken rant*

Just back from the pub and a ikkle drunk. I'm a non-smoker and when i first heard the ban was coming in i was sure it wouldn't work ... then it came in and by gorra it wasn't half bad .. .i didn't stink after a night out and there was no loss of atmostphere in the pubs. I was out tonight .. not in Dublin but in a wee town called ardee(best know for it's mental home) 1 hr from dublin.

The craic was great, music and drink flowin', then about 12:25 this guy lit up ... within 20 SECONDS i counted 5 others having lit up too. ok, i work a night shift so i'm not out that often anymore but when i do go out, mostly in drogheda, the smoking ban is adheared to. As much as i hate athority i really like this smoking ban. What was worst was i was out with some cousins of mine from america. One of them had just been talking about how much of a big deal the smoking ban was, 1 yr on and all, then here we were sitting in a cloud of smoke in a pub.

ok this tread has most likely been posted 1000 times in the last year but what the feck good is a smoking ban ... that is being watched by the world as a kinda test case .. if it's all a fraud. I know i'm kinda ranting on here but does this happen often?? From what i can see it's ok in the larger towns/cities .. or is it?? i dunno

additional info: the doors were closed and the shutters were down at the time and we were still drinking, nobody(including myself) said anything about the smoking, but i'm a coward .. ok sobering up and this is one reason why ppl not going outside for a smoke ... still, is this the new norm, after closing time it's drinks and smokes on the quiet??

Damit the only thing Irelands ever shown any balls over and led the rest of the world in and we're pissin' all over it.

*20 end drunken rant*
*30 goto 10*

mukki

lol, you were breaking the law tooo

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mukki wrote:

lol, you were breaking the law tooo

point taken ... but my alcohol filled fun wasn't destroying the health of those around me:)

mad m

I love a drunken rant,rant away my son...

Makaveli

It was a lock in, so it's not like the pub was open for business. You were all breaking the law anyway.

Wolf

When the doors are shut its no longer a Pub as such. It become a place that people are gathering and drink as in like a house therefore smoking is kinda allowed.

Im a smoker and if I still lived in Dublin I probably would have quit. However, if I was in a lock in drinking and I wanted a smoke I would yes probably spark up. Although Id probably go to the jacks or a quiet place to do it.

I know smoking is a filty habit and I try my best not to disrupt others with it. I never smoke around people who are eating, kids, pergnat wemon or anything like that, but, for me a smoke and a drink go together like bread and butter so....

SoupyNorman

its one law for pubs in dublin and another for pubs in the country. i have extensive work experience in both types of pubs.

kinkstr

Your spelling is very good seen as your a tad drunk
as its been stated above you were breaking the law anyway, and if a landlord has lock-ins i cant see him/her being to worried about the smoking ban

fragile

I love it, selectively choosing which laws to obey and disregard :rolleyes:

mad m

Wolf wrote:

For me a smoke and a drink go together like bread and butter so....

I can imagine,when I have a cuppa I have to have something with it like bread and butter,makes me cough up my guts though and its a pain in mornings when i wake up looking for some bread&butter with my cuppa. **



**non-smoker,just kidding btw Wolf.

SoupyNorman

I love it, selectively choosing which laws to obey and disregard

the travelling community are the experts in that regard........

Dizzyblabla

That happened to me when I was out in the back-arse-of-nowhere in Tipp or Kilkenny or somewhere like that... The minute 12.30 hit, the door was closed and ashtrays were put on all the tables! (being a smoker, and a little tipsy at the time I jumped up and hugged the barman like he was the best thing since the sliced pan!) - I think it's when the doors are closed and stuff they can... although I've never seen it in a pub in the city...

Wolf

mad m wrote:

I can imagine,when I have a cuppa I have to have something with it like bread and butter,makes me cough up my guts though and its a pain in mornings when i wake up looking for some bread&butter with my cuppa. **



**non-smoker,just kidding btw Wolf.

Hehe nah I hear ya but for me its like im abusing my body as it is so what hell

mad m

Dizzyblabla wrote:

I think it's when the doors are closed and stuff they can... although I've never seen it in a pub in the city...

Look you know and I know a lock in is illegal as well as putting ashtrays on tables after the doors have shut.I think its great that I can put on same sweaty clothes next day and couple more after that without any smoke smells from it....

mad m

Wolf wrote:

Hehe nah I hear ya but for me its like im abusing my body as it is so what hell

Well if it makes you happy.Had to put the little note on bottom as you never know if people take you up a bit too seriously.Sometimes type can be mis-understood.



glad you got the funny side.

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kinkstr wrote:

Your spelling is very good seen as your a tad drunk

It took me ages to get it right... it's worst when i'm sober:)

Wolf

Well tbh it doesn't make me happy. For a long time I was a happy smoker now I wish I didn't However there a large list of other things I must give up first but ill not go into that now.

Yeah I get the funny side

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fragile wrote:

I love it, selectively choosing which laws to obey and disregard :rolleyes:

It's our God given right as citizens of a free country

Wolf

fragile wrote:

I love it, selectively choosing which laws to obey and disregard :rolleyes:

To be honest it one of the things I love about Ireland

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mad m wrote:

I think its great that I can put on same sweaty clothes next day and couple more after that without any smoke smells from it....

That's the best thing about the ban ... now it's not just my underwear i can wear for a week without changing

fragile

I remember about a month after the smoking-ban came in driving through a village in Galway on a week night at something like 2am, and there was people going in and out of pubs to have a smoke outside

Dizzyblabla

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That's the best thing about the ban ... now it's not just my underwear i can wear for a week without changing

Guys, that's just soo gross! please tell me after a night out on the beer you don't wear the same clothes again without washing them first? Like, with the smoking ban and all, can you not smell the B/O? never mind all the other body odours, but in all fairness, most guys STINK by the end of the night...

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Dizzyblabla wrote:

Guys, that's just soo gross! please tell me after a night out on the beer you don't wear the same clothes again without washing them first? Like, with the smoking ban and all, can you not smell the B/O? never mind all the other body odours, but in all fairness, most guys STINK by the end of the night...

not changing cloths out of ... errrm ... protest at ppl breaking smoking ban:rolleyes:

Dizzyblabla

[InsertHandle] wrote:

not changing cloths out of ... errrm ... protest at ppl breaking smoking ban:rolleyes:

Well... moreso the smell of body odours than the not changing of clothes...!

Kernel

When are they bringing in a smoking ban for skangers on buses/nightlinks?

Dizzyblabla

ahh, is that still going on?? I remember my days in Dublin, and although I was a smoker, it drove me nuts to see them all smoking, and once I was soo close to asking someone to put it out, like if the rest of us can wait, why can't they? That day I went to the shop to get lunch and there was the paper, with a photo of this guy who had been beaten to a pulp because he had asked someone to stop smoking on the bus... was I glad I hadn't said it that morning!

stagolee

Wolf wrote:

I never smoke around people who are eating, kids, pergnat wemon or anything like that, but, for me a smoke and a drink go together like bread and butter so....

i try not to smoke around people who are eating kids and pregnant women too, the dirty cannibal bastards can buy their own ciggaretes theyre not getting my passive smoke

Chalk

ive stopped going to my local since the smoking ban and im a [part time] non smoker,
perhaps they can figure out how to overcome the smell of sweat, piss and **** some other way tbh

last time i was there i felt sick from it

lilulila

Anyone at the NAS gig in the point last thurs? Reefers been lit up by the newtime

Stench Blossoms

I was in a night club in the back arse of limerick a few months ago and there was a few people smoking. I don't smoke and don't like being around people that do (i only have the use of one lung). So i went up to the bouncer and said it to him and his response was "so what, go run away and tell the minister"

LoneGunM@n

What really p!sses me off is the people who are heading out for a smoke & light up before they leave ... it's like they're saying "I know by law I have to go outside so that I can have a smoke, but this is my way of getting a bit of revenge you non-smoking fascists!"

gimmick

Out of interest, has anyone ever tried to stop anyone from smoking in a pub since the ban?

The one time I did, I was working for a night in a bar, some fella was smoking away, I told him to put that fuking thing out, he told me to fuk myself. The guy was pissed and a complete scumbag anyway, who had been drinking peoples left over drinks all night anyway, as "(he) spent all (my) dole in the bookies today".

The only other instance I have seen was in the same bar, I was chatting to a few guys from Waateerford. One of them pullsa cigar out, lights it up without any of us taking any notice. He was smoking it for a good 2 minutes, and all of a sudden he, and around 3 others realsie what he was doing. he ran like a scalded cat out the door to put it out.

Hobbes

Its up to the publican to enforce the law. If they don't do anything tell them you are going to report the pub.

seamus

I haven't seen anyone smoking in a pub now in a long time. At the start, there were one or two who thought they were being Mr. Rebellious by smoking, but within a few weeks they found themselves treated worse than a puking ebola victim, since they stuck out like such a sore thumb.

It's been at least 6 months since I can recall seeing anyone smoke in a Dublin pub. Good Riddance too. My hangovers are almost certainly far less severe, and I don't wake up smelling like an ashtray (and I never smoked) after a night out.

eirebhoy

bravestarr082 wrote:

its one law for pubs in dublin and another for pubs in the country. i have extensive work experience in both types of pubs.

A load of the pubs around my area (Dublin 2, 10 minutes from Grafton street) just let people smoke after last orders when its starting to clear out. Actually, there's a pub on Pearse street (mixture of all ages, not just old men ) that lets people smoke in the hallway to the toilets. Its not as if the barstaff just ignore it. I was in there for the Ireland match on Saturday and there was a couple of people smoking around the pool table. The barman just went over and told them to go into the toilet. The place doesn't shut til 1.30-2.00 on Saturday's so its not bad.

OK, most people on here wouldn't go into a pub like this (if you seen it anyway) but I've been born and bread in this area and I wouldn't have anything else. DJ 3 days a week, smoking area for people, still fresh air, late opening hours. What more could you ask?

whiskeyman

Have never seen any problems with it in Dublin city, but can imagine problems in small rural pubs.
Dont see any problem with the smoking during a lock-in, as you're breaking the law anyway. You have no right for a smoking ban to be enforced in an illegal environment.
If you dont like it, you shouldn't be there...

Saw an American light up in a pub during St Patricks week, and he was swiftly told to put it out by the bar staff.

Great book about the ban out - 'Clearing the Air'... worth a read.
(Royalties go to the Irish Cancer Soc )

Anyway, the law is supposed to be 95-97% adhered to one year on.
Thats an amazing stat for a new law over such a small period of time
(Far less percentage of drivers wear seatbelts, and thats been law for years... )

_blank_

I am a smoker, and have on occasion been in the company of one asshole in particular who lights up smokes in my local when he is drunk. He is swiftly told to stop acting the asshole, and out goes the smoke.

I was in Galway recently and watching a live band, some local came up to my group, lit smoke in mouth, took a drag, then blew smoke into one of my friends' face. It was like he had something to prove, asshole he was.

RainyDay

The original poster should report the pub in question to the Office of Tobacco Control Compliance Line - let's see how smart the publican is when he is facing a €3k fine per incident.

But non-smokers are going to have to learn to speak up. We are in the majority (75% majority, as it happens). Until we start standing up for ourselves and making it socially unacceptable to smoke in a pub (lock-in or otherwise), some chancers are still going to push the limits out. I'm not suggesting that you get into fistfights with the addicts - but try showing the bar manager the phone number of the compliance line stored as a speed dial on your phone and see how quickly he responds.

Lump

A: You were in a lock in, hence the pub wasn't open for business, so essentially no law was broken.

B: If they were still serving alcohol, IE people were paying for it as opposed to it been given out free, then they were breaking two laws.

C: If you had such a problem, why didn't you speak up? I imagine the Landlord would have told you to get out of his bar.

STFU.

John

Wolf

Wolf wrote:

When the doors are shut its no longer a Pub as such. It become a place that people are gathering and drink as in like a house therefore smoking is kinda allowed.

uhm incorrect unless the bar owner has sent all his staff home.
The ban is on places of work(which includes pubs) so closing the doors doesnt make smoking legal.

eth0_

orla wrote:

I was in a night club in the back arse of limerick a few months ago and there was a few people smoking. I don't smoke and don't like being around people that do (i only have the use of one lung). So i went up to the bouncer and said it to him and his response was "so what, go run away and tell the minister"

You should have asked for the manager, and if he had the same juvenile attitude, called the guards. That's what you're supposed to do, i've seen it on some signs in pubs and clubs

Lump

Uhm incorrect, if the staff weren't working and people were getting drink for free then it's a house.

John

Lump

Lump wrote:

Uhm incorrect, if the staff weren't working and people were getting drink for free then it's a house.

John

uhm,where in this thread did it say the staff werent working and the patrons were getting a drink for free??

Thats an assumption you are making.
my point is the ban is on all places of work which is why closing the doors does not make a difference.
how can I be incorrect when I'm addressing correctly the facts as presented...and not a new assumption you have presented?

Lump

Where did it say they weren't.

OHHHHhhhhh controversial.

John

Lump

Lump wrote:

Where did it say they weren't.

OHHHHhhhhh controversial.

John

irrelevant as I was addressing this point

Wolf wrote:

When the doors are shut its no longer a Pub as such. It become a place that people are gathering and drink as in like a house therefore smoking is kinda allowed.

and not your new assumption.

Lump

Go you!

I was addressing the over all idea of pubs/smoking/lockins/moany people/people who don't stand up for their rights/ people willing to break one law not the other/ world peace/ the war in Iraq / issues regarding the thimbles.

John

Wertz

Best thing about the smoking ban: now you don't look out of place when you f**k off outside for a quick spliff.

BTW what did the OP expect if they insist on drinking in Ardee?

Seriously though, maybe the only place in the pub to smoke is out at the front door, which after clsoing time gets shut...can't very well have drunken patrons running in and out of the front door for a fag every 2 minutes when no-one's 'sposed to be there...I reckon the publican values his license, and fears loosing it, a lot more than he fears a reprimand and a slap on the wrist from the NEHB (or whatever they call themselves these days) for an infringement of the smoking ban...

RainyDay

Wertz wrote:

I reckon the publican values his license, and fears loosing it, a lot more than he fears a reprimand and a slap on the wrist from the NEHB (or whatever they call themselves these days) for an infringement of the smoking ban...

Convictions for infringments of the ban are being taken into account when licences are up for renewal.

Lump wrote:

STFU.

Doesn't take much to get the smokers reverting to type and attempting (unsuccessfully) to impose their addiction on the rest of us, does it.

StupidLikeAFox

boo fúcking hoo

Lump

RainyDay wrote:

Doesn't take much to get the smokers reverting to type and attempting (unsuccessfully) to impose their addiction on the rest of us, does it.

How by me telling you to "Shut the **** up" am I imposing my addiction on you?

Incidently, I don't smoke and never had or plan to.

John

Hash Boy

Breaking the smoking ban/blatant drink driving/driving with no insurance: It happens down the country all the time. Boggers tend to have a chip on their shoulder about being told what to do by the Dublin law-makers, and the culchie Garda always tend to turn a blind eye and look out for their own.