BESS students

Gentleman_Thief

Hi, I'm sitting the leaving in June and if all goes well, I'll be in BESS in October. I just have a few questions, feedback would be really appreciated. Are the BESS students really a bunch of arrogant D4 heads? Also, are the D4 types as bad as I've heard? My sister went to Trinity a few years back and didn't exactly have any kind words to say about them. I can't say I relish the prospect of spending 4 years being sneered at for being a "bogger".

Agent Smith

stargals bess, she's hardly what you call "d4".

nah, thats a sterotype thats used a lot, of course there are some d4 types, but in genreal...



Note to stargal: i ment the above statemnet in a good way....






(northsider)

Kevin_rc_ie

re the BESS students really a bunch of arrogant D4 heads? Also, are the D4 types as bad as I've heard?

i won't be bothered with that rubbish.

If someone looks down their nose at you for being a "bogger" in Trinity break it.

DrIndy

Its over rated. In every course in trinity is people who went to Belvedere and Gorgonzaga - and they like to be known. I met this really pathetic pair one time on a night out in freshers week where they came wearing their school uniforms just so everyone would know! I didn't as I'm a bogger myself which shocked them! It was reeeaaallly funny......

Then there's the rest who are sound. Regarding stereotypes, I study medicine and we are perceived as arrogant, aloof, nerds who are a clique to our own. I certainly break most of that mould.

It is really the course that counts, for all its slagging, BESS in trinity is nearly the best you can get - you will meet all sorts no matter what you do and good people and bad. Get to know the good ones and treat the **** with the contempt they deserve. Get out and about too and meet people in other courses (join a few societies etc.... I am waiting for the Sci Fi crew to make their firm recommendations..... )

I take Kevins advice to heart myself and have shut quite a few yapps who called me a bogger!

ApeXaviour

Gentleman_Thief wrote:

Are the BESS students really a bunch of arrogant D4 heads?

No. They come from all parts. There is an attitude definitely more prevalent among bess students however. It's not something usually inherent, it's acquired. I detailed out my opinion on this prior to this forum being setup, here:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=183158


My personal advice to you is to go, have a great time and do well in college. But hang around with people from other depts. Or if you must stick with people from your own, makesure they're boggers and northsiders.

Kevin_rc_ie

people who went to Belvedere

me me.

by the way indy those are lies about someone from ^^^ wearing their uniform to college. gonzaga, jesuit schools, no way. maybe blackrock. ah who knows.

DrIndy

Nononono

Not in college - IN A NIGHT CLUB! :eek:

I was stunned, then confused - the cracked my hole laughing! I told them they looked like buffoons. I don't know what college they were from and they did not confuse the night with one of those stupid school uniform nights out!

Maybe was Blackrock - it was a mostly black uniform..... don't know the difference between dublin schools anyway........

Kevin_rc_ie

i find this incredibly hard to beleive. i've seen some ppl that should let the past go wear their Rugby shirts or Track suit tops with school crests out and about. but a uniform? poor boys.

Hitchhiker's Guide to...

Hi there, i'm a BESS postgrad; didn't do my undergrad here, but i've lectured to undergrads. Can say without doubt that you get a great education with the BESS undergrad. Concentrate on economics when you want to choose in second year - it's got the best international reputation...

Pet

Or if you must stick with people from your own, makesure they're boggers and northsiders.

hurrah for the boggers!!

Nietzschean

Pet wrote:

hurrah for the boggers!!

Interestingly put.....


just outa interest how many people are 'boggers' here?
(i.e. from outside dublin city, so any malahide types r all boggers too really...)

ApeXaviour

If that's the case then I am one.. 5 mins walk from kildare I am. Though I consider myself a dubliner.

Crash

Hehehe, i went to school in the mountains :P

though i'm a dub i guess.

gom

Hi Gentleman,

You could be right, BESS in someways is probably the only course in Trinity that can be precieved as a semi-extention of school for the twaats that wants it that way. Its probably down to the fact that 1st year is a common first year.
The number of D4/Blackrock-(in your face types) is actually a minority. Its just that they are so bloody annoying you might think otherwise. I'm in 2nd year in BESS and I did a year of Computer SCience before transferring into BESS. I'm mostly 3-4 years older than the average class mate so I don't really socialise with my year at all. But I wouldn't worry about that. Your Class isn't really important. Its a bonus if your studying a course with poeple you get along with, not a necessity. The Societies, Clubs and Cults of college are much much more fun for socialising and in many ways that is the primary place for it.

If your going to enter BESS with the mind set of avoiding D4/Dort types then you will be entering college with a closed mind. Just because they might look/sound like a 'Dort' doesn't mean that it could be you sole mate or a friend that you will have for life. Keep an open mind about it all.

If all else fails. SIt up the front and avoid the annoyance

ApeXaviour

Well said gom

Pet

just outa interest how many people are 'boggers' here?

I'm a purebred meath/kerry mucksavage.

Kevin_rc_ie

as my thing says i'm from county dublin not dublin city. horrah for me. thou i'm not a "bogger".

sleepingbeauty

kildare, well naas, but i dont like this 'bogger' word...thats like farms and stuff and that aint me so..!!
lesson of the day: you can be whatever you want to be

Nietzschean

sleepingbeauty wrote:

kildare, well naas, but i dont like this 'bogger' word...thats like farms and stuff and that aint me so..!!
lesson of the day: you can be whatever you want to be

ur a bogger, u don't even live near naas anymore.....


Anyway its meaning has changed quite a bit.... I don't even know any farmers...

Nietzschean

congrats on being finished ur exams btw

Kevin_rc_ie

i planted a tree yesterday can i call my self a farmer?

Nietzschean

Kevin_rc_ie wrote:

i planted a tree yesterday can i call my self a farmer?

hrm i think u need to go look up the difference between a gardner and a farmer kev......

sleepingbeauty

DarthBobo wrote:

u don't even live near naas anymore.....

yeah...dublin

congrats on being finished ur exams btw

cheers. i have 4 days holidays....woohoo!!

Kevin_rc_ie

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DrIndy

I'm one of the few people who truly has earned the name "bogger" I live within 100 yards of a bog in donegal.

I say it with pride!

Nietzschean

sleepingbeauty wrote:

yeah...dublin

cheers. i have 4 days holidays....woohoo!!

haha , i had 2 for easter...

The Shol'va

DrIndy wrote:

I'm one of the few people who truly has earned the name "bogger" I live within 100 yards of a bog in donegal.

I say it with pride!

What if I have a sod of peat for the fireplace, can I be a bogger then? :P

randomfella

Is it true that bess has a higher percentage of serious birds than other courses?

Kevin_rc_ie

serious girls? like career women?

interesting.

I've no idea. Stargal are u serious?

ApeXaviour

If by serious you mean pink and orange, and that they just look on college as a stepping stone to get into daddy's company. Then yes, they would have a higher percentage of these serious girls.

Kevin_rc_ie

woooh, somebody really doesn't like BESS girls. What did they do to you Apex? Tie you up and practice fake tan application? Paint your toe nails? Make you watch Dirty Dancing over and over again?

ApeXaviour

I wish! (not the dirty dancing bit)

Nah.. I've just seen girls I would consider (and still somewhat do consider) friends change. They've become deeply shallow, vacant, childish, graceless, snobbish and naive of the common man.
The friends they've made I have no time for, as they were inherently as the above. They look at you, see what you wear, hear how talk and immediately think themselves better than you.

I despise them..

That aside.. I see msn is working again.

gom

There are two fundementally different types of BESS students.

Type 1. Those that aim to take BUSINESS as their main subject after 1st year.
Type 2. Those that arim to take other subjects and aren't too worried about Business as a subject.

Type 1 is the sterotype BESS student we all hate. These people should have gone to UCD and studied Commerce. Maybe gone to Smurfit BUsiness college afterward and get a spoonfed masters. Type 1 are in college to get out of there and get a job as a stock-broker/PR guru/house-wife.

Type 2 are there to study Economics, politics or sociology. They may take Business also but their main area of interest are one of Economics, Politics or Sociology. They are in college to be educated and if you choose any of the non-business subjects and no business subject you will be liberated from teh idiots that you associate with BESS.

Personally I think Business should be seperated from BESS and that there should be an Independent Business school. After being at teh BESS Faculty mayhem at the start of the year with lecturers threatening to kill each other and seeing the attitudes of Business lecturers to the rest of the course I feel Economics, Sociology and Politics would be best suited in an independent school and not part of any faculty at all. THe BESS degree will still exist so don't go crying to daddy just yet about why he is voting PD.

The got the restructuring all wrong. Faculties are a waste of space and should be gotten rid of. The only place Faculties have any place is when there is a pool of many small, different courses that can't form a school.
My ideal make up for BESS faculty restructuring is much like this:
a) An Independent Business School
b) An Independent Social Science School(Economics, Sociology and Politics... possibily philosophy also)
c) A School of Psychology and Social Work (Social studies based in this school with links to the social science school)

No BESS faculty but a BESS course

ApeXaviour

gom wrote:

Type 1. Those that aim to take BUSINESS as their main subject after 1st year...

..Type 1 is the sterotype BESS student we all hate. These people should have gone to UCD and studied Commerce.

Funnily enough the people I am referring to originally wanted to do commerce in ucd and explicitely said so to me in 6th year. One chose trin cos her fella was goin there, and the other followed her cos they were best friends :rolleyes:

Time Magazine

gom wrote:

There are two fundementally different types of BESS students.

Type 1. Those that aim to take BUSINESS as their main subject after 1st year.
Type 2. Those that arim to take other subjects and aren't too worried about Business as a subject.

Type 1 is the sterotype BESS student we all hate....

Type 2 are there to study Economics, politics or sociology...

Grouping BESS students into categories like that is just as shallow and as prejudicial as the people you are mocking.

I am far from the sterotype BESS student. Nobody can in earnest refer to me as the stereotypical BESS student, but I will do either Business and Economics or pure Business next year.

Rather than being the "sterotypical" BESS student I see myself as the typical BESS student; a relatively middle-class (well, Apex, is Leixlip middle- or working -class?) guy who likes the general area of economics and politics and has since found that he doesn't like sociology and prefers business to politics.

Yes my choice of degree is also somewhat career-orientated (financial rewards) but so what? I'd rather be pretty damn employable than relatively employable.

But hey maybe that's just cause I have an idea what unemployment is like

ApeXaviour

Angry Banana wrote:

Grouping BESS students into categories like that is just as shallow and as prejudicial as the people you are mocking.

Prejudicial yes, shallow no. I don't claim to paint them all with the one brush, that would be silly. But I will point out that in my opinion (and from my personal experience) there is an alarmingly larger amount of these types in that faculty than most others. There is nothing wrong with saying this.. Would you disagree if I told you there are far more fascists in st petersburg than dublin?

Angry Banana wrote:

a relatively middle-class (well, Apex, is Leixlip middle- or working -class?)

I severely dislike talking in terms of classes. There are different cultures and demographics in different areas, so point taken w.r.t. leixlip.

Angry Banana wrote:

guy who likes the general area of economics and politics and has since found that he doesn't like sociology and prefers business to politics.

Fair play.. Nothing wrong with studying what you enjoy. Quite the opposite infact.

Angry Banana wrote:

Yes my choice of degree is also somewhat career-orientated (financial rewards) but so what? I'd rather be pretty damn employable than relatively employable.

I've said this before but you seem to be under a mildly false impression.. Business grads do earn a tidy amount, but not as much as engineering, system and physical science grads. As well as law and high level med-sci grads (doctors, dentists etc.). {see right hand column: http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/search/s_192370.html } Tbh qualified plumbers are up there too.
My point is you don't find us flaunting our future..

Angry Banana wrote:

But hey maybe that's just cause I have an idea what unemployment is like

I've tried to think of something, but I can't say anything, either for or against this. I've no opinion, like with the citizen referendum, i spoiled my vote.

Time Magazine

ApeXaviour wrote:

Prejudicial yes, shallow no. I don't claim to paint them all with the one brush, that would be silly. But I will point out that in my opinion (and from my personal experience) there is an alarmingly larger amount of these types in that faculty than most others. There is nothing wrong with saying this..

I agree there's more snobbery in BESS than anywhere else in the college, but I also say it's genuinely marginal. The post I replied to and quoted basically painted, with one brush, business students = bad.

I severely dislike talking in terms of classes. There are different cultures and demographics in different areas, so point taken w.r.t. leixlip.

As do I, but its non-BESS that tend to bring it up regarding BESS heads. Yes, the average class (sociological, not educational sense) of BESS is higher than elsewhere in college but to be honest wtf. I wouldn't look at Course X any differently if its average class was different to the college in total. Believe it or not, and this is coming from a BESS student, class means nothing.

I've said this before but you seem to be under a mildly false impression.. Business grads do earn a tidy amount, but not as much as engineering, system and physical science grads.

You quote a Pittsburgh newspaper. America's topography is completley different to ours.

• Firstly there are proportionally FAR more business graduates in the USA than here and also less science/engineering etc (probably due to the money culture there). I don't know how much economics you know but this will essentially result in a lower average cut for the standard business graduate, even when you factor in America's greater economic strength.
• Secondly, America has always had an "entrepreneurial" element, whereby more engineers/scientists set up their own businesses than here. So in essence they're business-esque anyway.
• Ireland has always had a policy of having excess science and engineering students, and via the Celtic Tiger they have all been getting an "economic rent" because of the huge boom of making viagra and the added construction needed etc. However Ireland's production sector is waining, dying I say. Look at how hard the Dot Bomb hit, and it hit that sector the hardest.
• By and large, American business schools suck! Both BESS and those awful UCD types are seen as in the top 15 in Europe.

As well as law and high level med-sci grads (doctors, dentists etc.). Tbh qualified plumbers are up there too.

Lawyers make tonnes, but mostly due to their horribly antiquated and self-interested Society. But that's another matter. And I never disputed that docs and dents don't make more, GP's have to train for 9(?) years so feck they deserve more.

I've tried to think of something, but I can't say anything, either for or against this. I've no opinion, like with the citizen referendum, i spoiled my vote.

Would you disagree if I told you there are far more fascists in st petersburg than dublin?

Hehe probably, going by the citizenship referendum.

Oh and I saw you today - you looked very serious for such a nice day. Nice shirt though.

ApeXaviour

You saw me!? That shirt is missing three buttons I was pissed off cos I'd just bought a second hand bike from staggs. Tried to cycle it away, the chain lurched and I nearly went into a feckin oncoming car. Brought it back to them to point this out: "oh yeah.. the chain and block need replacing". At least I'm not payin any more for it though. But I was expectin to cycle home, wasted frickin trip :mad:

Time Magazine

Yep, between the Garda station and the Ball Alley. Me, girlfriend and her dog were the other side of the road eating chips walking towards her house. In light of what Kevin said to me yesterday I made sure to watch you until you were safely past, lest I be called snobby for "only saying hi"!

Sucky about the bike. I hope you bought yourself some ice-cream to console yourself.

Kevin_rc_ie

Snobby banana what were you doing eating chips? I do hope they weren't curry cos that be wk as fook.

ApeXaviour

Angry Banana wrote:

In light of what Kevin said to me yesterday I made sure to watch you until you were safely past, lest I be called snobby for "only saying hi"!

I sorta remember seein a couple with a dog.. I really didn't take note though. Why didn't you say hi? What the fuk is wrong with only sayin hi?? I expect nobody to sit and chat or anything.. NEVER listen to kev w.r.t to these things. He'll only have you overthinking and second guessing yourself.

Time Magazine

You were the other side of the road....

Yeah should have mentioned that.

ApeXaviour

I know.. as I said I remember seein yis.


SHOUT!

Kevin_rc_ie

angryb is a chicken he never says hello. we'll get him next time apex don't worry. chloroform never fails.

Time Magazine

Apex: I would have looked like a total spanner if you didn't reply now wouldn't I?! Considering as I said hi to a fake Kev last week I'm a bit more careful.

Kev: Feck off I clearly gave you and Guiney a nice, warm friendly "heyas". As a BESS student, chloroform sounds tasty.

ApeXaviour

Oh it is tasty..

and

So if I had recognised you (your face is not imprinted on my memory yet cos that time I was talkin to u in the buttery it was dark and I was tryin to watch the match.. the other times I didn't realise it was you and thus didn't take note) and run in slow motion across the road, arms spread out to re-uniting background music. Are you honestly telling me that you'd be slightly weirded out!?

Kev get the C-Cl4 ready

Time Magazine

Weird, no. Sexy, no comment.

Pet

C-Cl4!! *claps hands* Now I remember!!

(I was trying to think of that the other day [in order to shut up a pair of UCD commerce head twins who thought I was stupid] but it_just_wouldn't_come!)

Kevin_rc_ie

u wanted to use chloroform on both of them? that's just being greedy.

Agent Smith

got any pic's?

ApeXaviour

Pic's of what exactly?