Beware!Kernel is a snake in the grass!

Pighead

Please help old pighead settle a bet and show kernel up for the cheat and snake in the grass that he really is.
There we were at work singing some classic Elvis tunes,when Pighead throws out one of his many interesting facts about Elvis.

Kernel: Elvis was a ****ing legend wasn't he
Pighead: Well kernel there is no doubt he was a fantastic showman and a brilliant singer but in fairness the guy never wrote a song in his life.
Kernel: don't be ridiculous he wrote a lot of songs.
Pighead: I bet you he didn't
Kernel: I bet you he did,sure he wrote heartbreak hotel for 1.
Pighead: No he didnt,I bet you 20 quid he didn't
Kernel:You're on

At this point kernel rushes to the computer types in heartbreak hotel lyrics and finds elvis didn't write it so he sneakily says,eh I meant Are You Lonesome Tonight
Pighead lets him off and Kernel finds that elvis didnt write this one either.
Now kernel says that hes not paying up because he thought the 20 quid bet was that elvis didnt write any songs at all and not just heartbreak hotel.How low can you go.
Lower Than A Snakes Bollox!
No respect to Kernel :mad:

quarryman

sounds like a great job you guys got.

Chalk

replace "at work" with " in bed" tbh

Sarky

I ated the purple berries!

bbblueyes

Seems to me the bet was for Heartbreak Hotel. But that's just my interpretation.

Pighead

quarryman wrote:

sounds like a great job you guys got.

Today i felt like i was a herpologist.
Obviously a herpologist is someone who works with snakes

Gordon

Kernel

Ehhh... my version goes like this:

Pighead: Elvis never wrote a ****ing song in his life man!

Kernel: Don't be ridiculous, of course he did!

Pighead: I bet he didn't!

Kernel: I bet he did, sure I think he wrote Heartbreak Hotel.

Pighead: I bet you 20 he didn't!

Kernel: Tenner.

Pighead: ok.

Now, it turns out that he didn't write Heartbreak Hotel, but he did co-write "Are you Lonesome Tonight", which means Pighead is wrong as usual... But the problem is, that I insist the bet was on the original statement/bet that Elvis never wrote a song... He thinks that the bet is about Heartbreak Hotel. I admit that there is some confusion, so being a good mate, I decided to call the bet null and void.

Whatcha think? I'm no snake... defend me boardsters!

Kernel

Chalk wrote:

replace "at work" with " in bed" tbh

Maybe work for you is being in bed with lads, but for us, it's being technicians. :cool:

****.. i've just lost a vote there...

Pighead

Kernel wrote:

Now, it turns out that he didn't write Heartbreak Hotel, but he did co-write "Are you Lonesome Tonight", which means Pighead is wrong as usual...

www.songwritershalloffame.org/

Go into Ron Nobles Biography

Can't see presleys name anywhere here
Now watch kernel claim that elvis wrote under a pseudonym
PATHETIC!

Kernel

Pighead wrote:

www.songwritershalloffame.org/

Go into Ron Nobles Biography

Can't see presleys name anywhere here
Now watch kernel claim that elvis wrote under a pseudonym
PATHETIC!

He wrote that song for your grandmother!

Elvis getting jiggy.

sceptre

Kernel wrote:

Now, it turns out that he didn't write Heartbreak Hotel, but he did co-write "Are you Lonesome Tonight"

No he didn't. The song was first a hit for Vaughn Deleath in 1927. It got to number 4 on the charts. It was recorded the same year by Henry Burr. The song was written by Roy Turk and Lou Handman and it's often cited as the classic tin-pan alley song.

Now note the date that the song was a hit. Then check Elvis's date of birth. You might well find that he was born eight years after the song was first a hit and recorded the song 33 years after Deleath did.

Now to move on with the idea that Elvis never wrote a song (he didn't btw and he explicitly said this in interviews if you look hard enough), if you check the credits for all his songs you'll see his name listed on "Don't Be Cruel" and "Love Me Tender". His name was added by Col Tom as it wasn't really the thing at the time for singers who wanted to be taken seriously not to be writing songs. And there was a hell of a lot of money in it (still is, that's why only one member of Take That retired with any real money).

"Don't Be Cruel" was solely written by Otis Blackwell, who also wrote "Return To Sender" and "All Shook Up" for Elvis as well as Peggy Lee's "Fever" and Jerry Lee Lewis's "Great Balls Of Fire". When he wrote the song, Parker told him to get it recorded by Elvis, he'd have to "make a deal". The deal was half the composer credit. Deal struck, song recorded, put on the flipside of "Hound Dog" and that's the start of a large part of recent music history.

"Love Me Tender" is actually rather worse. The song's credited to Elvis Presley and Vera Matson. Which is a complete lie on both fronts. The music comes from a civil war ballad called "Aura Lee" which was written in 1861 by George Poulton and WW Fosdick. Remained popular through the 1880s as sung by barbershop quartets and one of the anthems at West Point. Presumably by the 1950s Parker thought that most had forgotten the song (now there's a Father Ted Song For Europe moment) when he decided that the melody would be great for the star's first movie (The Reno Brothers, released as Love Me Tender), appropriately enough set in the post-civil war era. So he hired a guy to write new lyrics and arrange the song. That'd be Ken Darby, who also wrote the other three songs in the movie. Again, Parker with his 'deals' persuaded Darby to give half the credit to Presley. Because Darby was well-known for working without collaborators, Darby was credited as "Vera Matson" (Vera Matson ,incidentally, was Darby's wife) on the sheet music. He still got his cheques but only half as Parker was creaming off the other half for Elvis. Darby later said that the reason that he credited his wife instead of himself was because she didn't write anything of the song either and he wanted to make a point. The song should be correctly credited either as "Poulton/Fosdick/Darby" or "Public Domain (arr. Darby)/Darby".

edit: I didn't mention the other three songs from the movie (they're just less-well known): "We're Gonna Move", "Let Me" and "Poor Boy". Any time you see a credit for Elvis on these songs (probably Presley/Matson again) it's also a lie for the same reason (Darby wrote the lot).

AFAIK that's all the songs Elvis ever received a credit for.

This kind of thing wasn't all that uncommon at the time - music from the 50s is littered with singers getting songwriter credit for songs that never put a note or word to. Still happens - Aerosmith are right whores for using ghostsongwriters and pretending that they wrote all their songs. Celine Dion told her songwriters that they'd have to take a 20% royalty cut if they wanted a printed credit (she (unfairly obviously) gets the 20% cut of the publishing but no writer credit). Barbra Streisand has a co-credit for "Evergreen" that's complete bunkum (Paul Williams made her a present of it for using the song as the theme for A Star Is Born) whereas Rupert Holmes, who actually co-wrote the melody got no credit whatever. There are a pile of other examples, too many to spend time on.

With regard to the original topic, Elvis clearly couldn't have written "Are You Lonesome Tonight", he didn't write any of the other songs he received a credit for and if you've any sense of decency you'll pay Pighead his money and be a little more knowledgeable about bets you make in future.

Kernel

sceptre wrote:

No he didn't. The song was first a hit for Vaughn Deleath in 1927. It got to number 4 on the charts. It was recorded the same year by Henry Burr. The song was written by Roy Turk and Lou Handman and it's often cited as the classic tin-pan alley song.

Now note the date that the song was a hit. Then check Elvis's date of birth. You might well find that he was born eight years after the song was first a hit and recorded the song 33 years after Deleath did.

Now to move on with the idea that Elvis never wrote a song (he didn't btw and he explicitly said this in interviews if you look hard enough), if you check the credits for all his songs you'll see his name listed on "Don't Be Cruel" and "Love Me Tender". His name was added by Col Tom as it wasn't really the thing at the time for singers who wanted to be taken seriously not to be writing songs. And there was a hell of a lot of money in it (still is, that's why only one member of Take That retired with any real money).

"Don't Be Cruel" was solely written by Otis Blackwell, who also wrote "Return To Sender" and "All Shook Up" for Elvis as well as Peggy Lee's "Fever" and Jerry Lee Lewis's "Great Balls Of Fire". When he wrote the song, Parker told him to get it recorded by Elvis, he'd have to "make a deal". The deal was half the composer credit. Deal struck, song recorded, put on the flipside of "Hound Dog" and that's the start of a large part of recent music history.

"Love Me Tender" is actually rather worse. The song's credited to Elvis Presley and Vera Matson. Which is a complete lie on both fronts. The music comes from a civil war ballad called "Aura Lee" which was written in 1861 by George Poulton and WW Fosdick. Remained popular through the 1880s as sung by barbershop quartets and one of the anthems at West Point. Presumably by the 1950s Parker thought that most had forgotten the song (now there's a Father Ted Song For Europe moment) when he decided that the melody would be great for the star's first movie, appropriately enough set in the post-civil war era. So he hired a guy to write new lyrics and arrange the song. That'd be Ken Darby, who also wrote the other three songs in the movie. Again, Parker with his 'deals' persuaded Darby to give half the credit to Presley. Because Darby was well-known for working without collaborators, Darby was credited as "Vera Matson" on the sheet music. He still got his cheques but only half as Parker was creaming off the other half for Elvis. The song should be correctly credited either as "Poulton/Fosdick/Darby" or "Public Domain (arr. Darby)/Darby".

This kind of thing wasn't all that uncommon at the time - music from the 50s is littered with singers getting songwriter credit for songs that never put a note or word to.

With regard to the original topic, Elvis clearly couldn't have written "Are You Lonesome Tonight", he didn't write any of the other songs he received a credit for and if you've any sense of decency you'll pay Pigman his money and be a little more knowledgeable about bets you make in future.

Ignore this! It's hearsay and speculation.. don't let this influence the votes!

Where's my "I don't care about your bet and hope someone throws sour milk at you" option?

WizZard

Atari Jaguar, tbh

mike65

No he didn't. The song was first a hit for Vaughn Deleath in 1927. It got to number 4 on the charts. It was recorded the same year by Henry Burr. The song was written by Roy Turk and Lou Handman and it's often cited as the classic tin-pan alley song...and on and on and on

Sceptre that was beyond the call of duty Really!

Mike.

mad m

Elvis for me is ruined now,he didnt write a god damn thing?This has me all shook up!!!

But some damn fine investigative work by Sceptre

Mimikyu

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DEmeant0r

Myth wrote:

Where's my "I don't care about your bet and hope someone throws sour milk at you" option?

Yes, I agree, you'll have to put a "I don't care" type option as well.

Kernel

Demeant0r wrote:

Yes, I agree, you'll have to put a "I don't care" type option as well.

Err think about it, the 'I don't care' option doesn't give us an answer, and ergo, is a useless option to answer the original question.

Sarky

Precisely!

_blank_

I don't care tbh.

Pighead

sceptre wrote:

No he didn't. The song was first a hit for Vaughn Deleath in 1927. It got to number 4 on the charts. It was recorded the same year by Henry Burr. The song was written by Roy Turk and Lou Handman and it's often cited as the classic tin-pan alley song.

Now note the date that the song was a hit. Then check Elvis's date of birth. You might well find that he was born eight years after the song was first a hit and recorded the song 33 years after Deleath did.

Now to move on with the idea that Elvis never wrote a song (he didn't btw and he explicitly said this in interviews if you look hard enough), if you check the credits for all his songs you'll see his name listed on "Don't Be Cruel" and "Love Me Tender". His name was added by Col Tom as it wasn't really the thing at the time for singers who wanted to be taken seriously not to be writing songs. And there was a hell of a lot of money in it (still is, that's why only one member of Take That retired with any real money).

"Don't Be Cruel" was solely written by Otis Blackwell, who also wrote "Return To Sender" and "All Shook Up" for Elvis as well as Peggy Lee's "Fever" and Jerry Lee Lewis's "Great Balls Of Fire". When he wrote the song, Parker told him to get it recorded by Elvis, he'd have to "make a deal". The deal was half the composer credit. Deal struck, song recorded, put on the flipside of "Hound Dog" and that's the start of a large part of recent music history.

"Love Me Tender" is actually rather worse. The song's credited to Elvis Presley and Vera Matson. Which is a complete lie on both fronts. The music comes from a civil war ballad called "Aura Lee" which was written in 1861 by George Poulton and WW Fosdick. Remained popular through the 1880s as sung by barbershop quartets and one of the anthems at West Point. Presumably by the 1950s Parker thought that most had forgotten the song (now there's a Father Ted Song For Europe moment) when he decided that the melody would be great for the star's first movie (The Reno Brothers, released as Love Me Tender), appropriately enough set in the post-civil war era. So he hired a guy to write new lyrics and arrange the song. That'd be Ken Darby, who also wrote the other three songs in the movie. Again, Parker with his 'deals' persuaded Darby to give half the credit to Presley. Because Darby was well-known for working without collaborators, Darby was credited as "Vera Matson" (Vera Matson ,incidentally, was Darby's wife) on the sheet music. He still got his cheques but only half as Parker was creaming off the other half for Elvis. Darby later said that the reason that he credited his wife instead of himself was because she didn't write anything of the song either and he wanted to make a point. The song should be correctly credited either as "Poulton/Fosdick/Darby" or "Public Domain (arr. Darby)/Darby".

edit: I didn't mention the other three songs from the movie (they're just less-well known): "We're Gonna Move", "Let Me" and "Poor Boy". Any time you see a credit for Elvis on these songs (probably Presley/Matson again) it's also a lie for the same reason (Darby wrote the lot).

AFAIK that's all the songs Elvis ever received a credit for.

This kind of thing wasn't all that uncommon at the time - music from the 50s is littered with singers getting songwriter credit for songs that never put a note or word to. Still happens - Aerosmith are right whores for using ghostsongwriters and pretending that they wrote all their songs. Celine Dion told her songwriters that they'd have to take a 20% royalty cut if they wanted a printed credit (she (unfairly obviously) gets the 20% cut of the publishing but no writer credit). Barbra Streisand has a co-credit for "Evergreen" that's complete bunkum (Paul Williams made her a present of it for using the song as the theme for A Star Is Born) whereas Rupert Holmes, who actually co-wrote the melody got no credit whatever. There are a pile of other examples, too many to spend time on.

With regard to the original topic, Elvis clearly couldn't have written "Are You Lonesome Tonight", he didn't write any of the other songs he received a credit for and if you've any sense of decency you'll pay Pighead his money and be a little more knowledgeable about bets you make in future.

Excellent information there Mr Sceptre
Clear Concise and Honest
Shame Mr kernel is so very lacking in all the above qualities
The snake still refuses to settle his bet
Shame on you. :mad: