Okay....erm...PS3 IS HERE!

Zhane · 24-03-2005 1:49am #1

Now i dont know if these are real or not, but they look genuine and i nearly crapped my pants. But ill wait for E3 till i do that.

kensutz · 24-03-2005 1:51am

they look nice

OY · 24-03-2005 1:52am

Madness!

Is it a camera?

Droogie · 24-03-2005 1:52am

This has to be a fake...

Zhane · 24-03-2005 1:53am

as i said, i dunno if its real or not. If it is then cool, but if its not, someone has way to much time on their hands.

OY · 24-03-2005 1:53am

Droogie wrote:

This has to be a fake...

That looks like crap!

Matthewthebig · 24-03-2005 1:53am

I that is real it is in a word sex!

Droogie · 24-03-2005 1:55am

This one looks good too!

Droogie · 24-03-2005 1:56am

nevernev wrote:

That looks like crap!

True, true... but you do look at the screen when your playin right? :rolleyes:

Jammer · 24-03-2005 1:57am

quite nice, if that is fake, then yeah, someone has got too much time on their hands!!

Balfa · 24-03-2005 2:10am

Droogie wrote:

This one looks good too!

True, true... but you do look at the screen when your playin right? :rolleyes:

PS - ha, you fanboys are great for a quick laugh

Zhane · 24-03-2005 2:14am

Hugh Hefner wrote:

I doubt that the PS3 would use freakin' UMDs. Besides, it's pretty much certain they're going to use Blu-Ray dics.

look closer at the pictures....

Infini · 24-03-2005 2:18am

That's right. I heard the same thing, the capacity is only 1.8GB on a UMD but it's 50GB+ on Blu-ray. They're pretty sweet pics and they DO look real.

BTW they were planning on making the PS3 backwards compatable with PS2 games the last time I checked.

Just noticed what looks like a DVD drive in the first pics.

Zhane · 24-03-2005 2:22am

Infini wrote:

That's right. I heard the same thing, the capacity is only 1.8GB on a UMD but it's 50GB+ on Blu-ray. They're pretty sweet pics and they DO look real but the fact that they're using a smaller capacity disk than the PS2 makes them fake.

BTW they were planning on making the PS3 backwards compatable with PS2 games the last time I checked.

The UMD port is for PSP connectivity or more realisticaly for UMD movies.

flogen · 24-03-2005 2:22am

looks pretty slick, but I won't be believing it until E3, I've seen plenty of convincing fakes over the last year or two!
(saying that, this is probably one of the best and most detailed... no one has mentioned it officially but why wouldn't they have a UMD drive? They're trying to launch a new format and make it popular, why not do it on the back of a machine that is going to sell no matter what)

flogen

Matthewthebig · 24-03-2005 2:24am

Look at the picture it uses UMD and BluRay!

OY · 24-03-2005 2:30am

Matthewthebig wrote:

Look at the picture it uses UMD and BluRay!

So can someone explain to the uneducated what UMD and BluRay are.

No need ot thank me for asking?

Zhane · 24-03-2005 2:37am

nevernev wrote:

So can someone explain to the uneducated what UMD and BluRay are.

No need ot thank me for asking?

UMDs are the media format that is being used for the PSP.

BluRay is a very high memory capcity CD (i think, dont know much about it)

OY · 24-03-2005 2:51am

So are UMDs PSP specific then???

po0k · 24-03-2005 2:55am

BluRay uses very narrow wavelengths of light, so you end up fitting more tracks onto the disc.

Zhane · 24-03-2005 3:02am

nevernev wrote:

So are UMDs PSP specific then???

yes. two types of media are used in UMD. Games and Movies, my guess is that if this is the real PS3 that the UMD port is only for UMD Movies.

danniemcq · 24-03-2005 3:42am

hang on where the hell do you insert the controllers???

Kazaanova · 24-03-2005 3:48am

danniemcq wrote:

hang on where the hell do you insert the controllers???

Look at the middle, "Wireless". Where did you see this picture? It looks very convincing, very believeable, the others were all missing something, but this looks like the real deal - still though its very unlikely that something like this could happen. I dont remember it happening with the PS2, Xbox etc. before they came out. Might be wrong though.

Also theres something odd about those reflections, it looks like its in a Sony brochure kinda thing, but the acutal photo of it looks like it was taken while the PS3 was being displayed in a booth/public place. Cant understand it.

OY · 24-03-2005 3:51am

That is a great idea for wireless controllers!
It will be cool!

Kazaanova · 24-03-2005 3:56am

In all fairness the first mention of wireless controllers as standard came from Microsoft before anyone else. And there seems to be a power switch, you know like the one at the back of the PS2, on the top in the first picture, but its not there in the others. But its too stupid a mistake for someone making fake photos to make.

jesus_thats_gre · 24-03-2005 5:00am

The first set of pictures are very convincing indeed.

NotMe · 24-03-2005 5:21am

Kazaanova wrote:

Also theres something odd about those reflections, it looks like its in a Sony brochure kinda thing, but the acutal photo of it looks like it was taken while the PS3 was being displayed in a booth/public place. Cant understand it.

What photo? It's clearly a computer generated image.

Balfa · 24-03-2005 8:12am

NotMe wrote:

What photo? It's clearly a computer generated image.

Gah, why are people still thinking this could be real?

How many glaring flaws can i spot:

1. Okay, first of all, the front is way too cluttered for a 21st century Sony product.

2. Sony didn't put a registered trademark sign on the playstation, PSone, PS2, PStwo or PSP. Why would they do it on the PS3?

3. Why would they put "MagicGate" below the memory card slot, and why isn't it centered under "MEMORY CARD"????

4. Either the memory stick slot is WAY too big or the UMD slot is WAY to small. UMDs are over three times wider than memory stick duos.

5. Terrible fake drop shadow to the left of the PSP-style silver ring in the front image. Does not correlate with the three-quarter image.

6. The Sony logo in the top left of image 3 is very poorly inserted. There is rectangle around it with a different shade of white to the rest of the page.

7. "5.1" sticks out beyond the end of the grey bar in the bottom right corner of the page. This brochure clearly is not up to the standard of Sony's marketing department.

8. Objects in the reflection on image 2 are very curved, so either the face of the unit is curved, which we can clearly see is not the case, or a panoramic lense was used in the camera, which would also severely distort the shape of the console as well as the reflection.

9. And finally, why on earth would eject be a light and not a button???

There, i've spent way too much time looking at an image that someone else has spent way too much creating :P

hairball · 24-03-2005 8:16am

regarding bluray, is there really a need for media with cappacities when most games hit in between 1.5 and 2 gigs???

Balfa · 24-03-2005 8:26am

hairball wrote:

regarding bluray, is there really a need for media with cappacities when most games hit in between 1.5 and 2 gigs???

Not necessarily, but high definition movies will come on blu-ray, and you'll be able to play them on your PS3. The fact that games will come on blu-ray is just a bonus. And with the amount of PS3s and PS3 games that are sold, production costs for blu-ray will plummet, and therefore overheads for Sony's movie publishers such as Columbia, Tristar and MGM will decrease, which will be much needed in physical media's efforts to make a strong comeback against high definition broadcast, which currently offers far greater quality than DVDs.

Chalk · 24-03-2005 8:32am

reminds me od the first shots of the psp.
defeinitely an artists computer render but could easily be the final design if its being unveiled soon

Deadwing · 24-03-2005 8:33am

unreal 2 ont he pc weighs in at around 4 gigs, doom 3 is 3 gigs afaik, who knows how much bigger next gen games will be, bigger than a standard dvd anyway id say

Ciaran500 · 24-03-2005 8:37am

I think it will be a while before we start to see games on blu-ray discs. They will stick to DVD-9 untill they have to switch.

po0k · 24-03-2005 8:39am

Kazaanova wrote:

Also theres something odd about those reflections, it looks like its in a Sony brochure kinda thing, but the acutal photo of it looks like it was taken while the PS3 was being displayed in a booth/public place. Cant understand it.

Reflectively mapping a texture onto the model during rendering.

Placebo · 24-03-2005 8:42am

why is the background white and why is the reflection on the pics something else [like a hall]
also if they look like promo shots and promo shots certainly dont have halls reflecting in em..

faKe

Chalk · 24-03-2005 8:43am

its a render on a computer.

they did it with psp a few months ago....

hairball · 24-03-2005 8:45am

you also need to remember that games like doom 3 are special cases...with massive ammounts of data for textures, more detailed character models and animations etc..most developers sadly, don't work to these levels due to budgetary constraints, time factors or just plain incompetence or lazyness (ahen ..*cough* ea..), so I think developers would be hard pressed to make a game that took up 500 gigs at current levels of game design anyways
would be interested to see the diff it would make to movies tho

Winters · 24-03-2005 9:52am

hairball wrote:

you also need to remember that games like doom 3 are special cases...with massive ammounts of data for textures, more detailed character models and animations etc..most developers sadly, don't work to these levels due to budgetary constraints, time factors or just plain incompetence or lazyness (ahen ..*cough* ea..), so I think developers would be hard pressed to make a game that took up 500 gigs at current levels of game design anyways
would be interested to see the diff it would make to movies tho

eh no.

Games on average are taking up at least 3 -> 4GB for PC anyway. Also, they are being slow to move to DvD only releases and a lot are sticking with loads of CD's. The last few games I have bought (And I do mean bought) have all come on 4 CD's.

Blu-ray will offer HighDef quality for movies and 25GB/50GB for single/dual later disc's. (HD-DVD is only 15/30GB). Blu-ray is designed for high storage for High Defination [sp?] playback .... as someday we shall all be moving from our low quality TV to our nice super HighDef tv's. Blu-ray also will allow recordable and re-recordable discs so that we can record tv. However, the PS3 will not feature recording capibilities.

So games will now be able to become even more detailed as they have a better resolution to play with, for PS3 console anyway.

Also, clearly a fake pic.

Infini · 24-03-2005 10:02am

Ciaran500 wrote:

I think it will be a while before we start to see games on blu-ray discs. They will stick to DVD-9 untill they have to switch.

True that might be the casebut when you think about it they didn't use CD based PS2 games beyond the original launch line-up, most of them wen't to DVD. It's probably gonna be the same with Blu-ray. The initial line-up might be DVD but they'll probably move to Blue-ray after the initial launch expecially with the tenfold increase in capacity size (PS2 games are currently only DVD-5). Also they are fake when you look carefully although they are damn good fakes.

Ciaran500 · 24-03-2005 10:07am

IIRC alot of early PS2 games were released on CD.

hairball · 24-03-2005 10:37am

yes, fair enough, but that still relies on the willingness of games companies to spend more time on levels of detail in their games...you think making a gameworld more detailed or more expansive is just gonna automatically happen because there's more space available..?? I doubt it

stevenmu · 24-03-2005 10:46am

I think BluRay has better copy protection than dvds, besides how many people are likely to have a BluRay burner in the next year or so. That'd make it pretty attractive to game companies.

Winters · 24-03-2005 10:50am

hairball wrote:

yes, fair enough, but that still relies on the willingness of games companies to spend more time on levels of detail in their games...you think making a gameworld more detailed or more expansive is just gonna automatically happen because there's more space available..?? I doubt it

Electronic Arts and Vivendi have already thrown their support behind Blu-Ray as the next format.

Also, for more information on Blu-Ray check out: http://www.blu-ray.com/

hairball · 24-03-2005 10:53am

again, good point, if everyone's using the technology, games companies won't have much choice .
If the media hardware only plays blu ray then that'll have to be the release media...I still wouldn't expect the dev budgets on games to increase, not to mention the time spent on making them to increase dramatically tho.
Obviously there will be developers (valve, maybe bungie etc.0 who may try to take advantage, but Ireckon ,on the whole, things won't change that much

hairball · 24-03-2005 10:57am

the blu ray website, does indeed ,make for interesting reading.
If games companies truly are about to take advantage of it, then I'd gladly be proven wrong.
but,I'm afraid I've seen too many false promises from the likes of ea in the past for statements like these to blunt my cyniscism

colin300 · 24-03-2005 11:09am

Hairball the drive in the PS3 is backward compatible so they dont need to use Blu-Ray yet. They can do alot more with it then they are planning. Hopefully it will have a Hard Drive because that would mean you would not need Memory cards and plus u would be able to get saves off other people around the world. Blu-Ray may have more security but like everything it gets broken. iTunes are fighting to survive at the moment and there going to lose if he can find a way around dvd i am sure he know how to get around blu-ray.

hairball · 24-03-2005 11:13am

well, I guess we'll have to wait and see

Ciaran500 · 24-03-2005 12:15pm

Once games start using HD FMV, HD uncompressed textures and uncompressed music the game size will sky rocket. Thats when we will need Blu-Ray.

bounty · 24-03-2005 12:16pm

1x speed will require a 36.5Mbps data transfer rate, which means it will take about 1 hour and 33 minutes to record 25GB

damm and i though DVD was slow, i think ill wait for the x16 BD-ROM recorders

the japs have alrdy got a few of these x1 recorders http://www.blu-ray.com/recorders/

flogen · 24-03-2005 12:29pm

colin300 wrote:

Hairball the drive in the PS3 is backward compatible so they dont need to use Blu-Ray yet. They can do alot more with it then they are planning. Hopefully it will have a Hard Drive because that would mean you would not need Memory cards and plus u would be able to get saves off other people around the world. Blu-Ray may have more security but like everything it gets broken. iTunes are fighting to survive at the moment and there going to lose if he can find a way around dvd i am sure he know how to get around blu-ray.

I doubt the PS3 will have a hard-drive out of the box, but maybe as an extra. I figure that memory cards will be slowly gotten rid of in favour of Memory Sticks, which will help with ps3/psp compatibility and will open consumers up to a range of high capacity cards for game saves etc. (and it's a sony format, so why not?)

(oh, and what are iTunes losing to at the moment?)

flogen

colin300 · 24-03-2005 12:44pm

iTunes are battling DVD Jon the guy that broke the dvd encryption and he is giving them a run for there money he broke the DRM part of there software they released a fix then he broke it again so they need to literally rewrite the code because he probably has everything covered at the moment.

At least we know that he is up for a challenge so Blu-Ray with his expertise should be no problem.

On topic is that not a bit anti competitive releasing something so advanced that they dont have a hard drive and plus the memory sticks are pretty dear or is this just a way to buy everything sony because i have seen no generic sony memory sticks like there MMC and all others types.

Okay....erm...PS3 IS HERE!

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