Dialup with Permanent IP address ?

ButcherOfNog

i need to get a permanent IP address for our 128k ISDN, eircom are being
thick about it, and telling us that we need to purchase x, y or z from them
before they'll give us one (we have a subscription acc, but that along with
the phone charges ain't enough obviously).

any other isp's out there that would be more consumer friendly and have
country wide coverage (we're not in dublin)? Has anyone else got a perm IP
on a dialup from anyone?

main reason for wanting this is that due to the silly prices of a fixed
connection at the moment, and the fact that they will be dropping
considerably when the local loop unbundling occurs in apr 2001, it will
actually be cheaper to leave our 128kb link up almost continually rather
than getting a perm 128kb link ... and we need a perm IP for VPN & Notes
replication.

TheWarden

Well will dynamic DNS do the trick fer you? Each time you connect to da internet your IP is updated to a specified DNS name. ie when Im logged on from home my machine is updated as thewarden.homeip.net (or something).

Try www.dyndns.org one of the best (and did I mention free?)

Coyote

one or two points

1. Esat will sell you a fixed ip account
for 128 ISDN with a 1891 low rate number
for about 700-800 quid.

2. when the local loop is unbundled it will take 12-18 months to make any diff that you would see. (no company will be able to put there stuff in for months with all the planing needed to install 10's of mills pounds of stuff)

3.it all depens on how long your lines are up if there more that 6-8 hours a day then a 128K lease line is cheeper and better in the long run

Coyote

dahamsta

2. when the local loop is unbundled it will take 12-18 months to make any diff that you would see. (no company will be able to put there stuff in for months with all the planing needed to install 10's of mills pounds of stuff)

Although that's true to some extent, I think it's a bit too broad. Some areas probably won't have broadband access - any kind of broadband access - for years. But I reckon it'll be rolled out in the highly populated areas fairly fast. ADSL DSLAMS are already installed in a number of exchanges in Dublin, and in a few places around the country too. And the telco's have been planning - and possibly saving - for this for years, so I reckon they'll get the welly in when the loop is unbundled. If they think it won't hurt their margins that is, and there's enough bandwidth there. That's what we should be worrying about.

3.it all depens on how long your lines are up if there more that 6-8 hours a day then a 128K lease line is cheeper and better in the long run

That's about the cutoff point, but there's still a fair bit of leeway even if you were running both channels at peak time on a 1891. It depends on the operator. For example, Esat will charge you about that for the line, and then tell you to bugger off elsewhere for your Internet Service. In fact, they'll probably tell you to bugger off to Esat Net, which is just silly in my opinion. Or greedy. All these services should be sold as a package, but I guess they stand to make more out of the user by splitting it up. Oh, and the above doesn't include installation either, which can be bloody enormous if your any distance from the exchange. It's bloody enormous anyway...

ButcherOfNog

soz yer incorrect coyote, the problem at the moment is that other telco's like worldcom/uunet can give you lines, but after you pay them, you have to basically pay eircom the same again on top of that. once the loop is unbundled, prices will fall, they've told us this.

ButcherOfNog

and coyote, it probably is cheaper to get a leased line in dublin rather than pay call charges, but the further you are from dublin, the more silly season the prices for leased lines become, they cost them on distance.

Keeks

Does anyone know the average price of leased lines?

dahamsta

I have quotes here from Eircon and Esat somewhere, I'll try and dig them out. It added up to about ten grand each though, including installation. That was to a suburb in Cork for just 64k. The Esat quote didn't include bandwidth to the ISP either...

Keeks

Are they really worth it for that kind of money?

ronin1

Nope, not really. I got one installes for the
company I work for and we get about 8K/s out
of 64K line (copper to local exchange - fiber optic to Dublin (I'm told !)). Considering the enormous cost ... 10 grand (incl. router and installation ) ... dual isdn with some sorts of calls
discount scheme ( several hundred of those available seemingly)
seems more attractive in many ways.

p.s. I'm new, was sniffing around the board
and decided to stick my nose and 2p's worth in.

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