Who says cops need guns?

Tusky

http://www.pulse24.com/In_The_Raw/Raw_Video/20050308-001/Video-5-2.asx

mad m

The Cop in car was probably sued or something like that by bloke holding knife.

seamus

mad m wrote:

The Cop in car was probably sued or something like that by bloke holding knife.

In fairness, that was a bit ****ing harsh. He could easily have crushed that guys entire ribcage, or caused some massive internal damage with that second blow.
He was surrounded by armed officers. That was uncalled for.

Unpossible

well they were pointing guns at him.

those guys hit him with a car & then sprayed mace in his face :eek: I could see a lawsuit if that happened here, still it was funny watching the guy get pinned to the parking meter.


PS was that in Austrailia or New Zealand ? I thought that was the accent being used (couse could be south african also)

Mutz

seamus wrote:

In fairness, that was a bit ****ing harsh. He could easily have crushed that guys entire ribcage, or caused some massive internal damage with that second blow.
He was surrounded by armed officers. That was uncalled for.

Or they could have shot him.

Fair play to the cops and perfect driving. Fu,king retard was taking the píss out of them and they softened his cough nicely. By the looks of things, an officer had been injured - if u look at the end of the clip you see one officer patting th eother, who is rubbing his own leg.

Seamus - you're not going all grass roots on me now are you?

Tusky

Wielding two ominous butcher knives, a seemingly crazed man confronted a slew of Toronto police officers at the corner of Yonge and Wellesley early Tuesday morning.

“Shoot me!” he taunted the officers, who surrounded him with guns drawn in a tense street standoff.

Death may have been his wish, but Toronto’s finest blew out the candles on his hopes for extinction, diffusing a potentially fatal confrontation by pinning the man between a bicycle stand and a police cruiser.

When the car backed up, the suspect was unhinged from his momentary prison. But it wouldn’t be long before he was in a more conventional form of custody.

Finally admitting defeat, he tossed both knives to the ground and police closed in, using pepper spray to further incapacitate their unstable nemesis.

The man, believed to be in his 30s, suffered a broken wrist in the ordeal and was ordered to undergo psychiatric evaluation.

Stunned witnesses seemed to think police handled the situation appropriately.

“I think that they were justified for sure,” said Magda Majewski. “And I think that potentially they might have been justified in using more force, but I think they were clearly sort of concerned about him afterwards and taking care of him afterwards and washing out his eyes and, you know, getting him medical help.”

Witnesses say the man panhandles in the neighbourhood and may be homeless.

During the 15 minute ordeal, which began around 7am, some bystanders were apparently screaming at police to use a taser on the man, not knowing that only E.T.F. officers are currently allowed to carry the weapons.

The incident will surely spark more debate on the use of the stun guns in the police force, something former Chief Julian Fantino unsuccessfully fought for during his tenure.

In the meantime, former police officer Jim Downs believes the man at the centre of the frightening struggle is lucky to be alive.

“Maybe another officer, not knowing what's going through his mind or her mind at that particular time, may have elected to use a firearm and been very justified to use that firearm. So he's a lucky man.

“This is a classic example where a taser would have been appropriate tool for them, because really they only have two tools at their option. One really. They had their firearms, and the officer decided to use his car as a second tool.”

Doper Than U

Someone forgot to drop the knife...typical.

That looked chest-crushingly painful, but he probably deserved it.

Tusky

seamus wrote:

In fairness, that was a bit ****ing harsh. He could easily have crushed that guys entire ribcage, or caused some massive internal damage with that second blow.
He was surrounded by armed officers. That was uncalled for.

If you're going to run around with butcher knives threatening people in public you're gonna get whats coming to you...nevermind the fact that he wouldnt give in even when surrounded by cops, what would have happened if he took a hostage ?

I think the cops did well.

mad m

@Tusky

Was that recently? Read in The Independant on saturday that four Canadian Mounties were shot and killed in line of fire.One Mountie was only 29 and only in force two weeks.It was the worst record in 120years of Canadian Mounties.They were shot by some fella farming hash.All they carry are side firearms it said in paper(nothing else) and fella who shot them had a high powered rifle.

Dr. Dre

Class act, that's professionalism for you.

seamus

Tusky wrote:

If you're going to run around with butcher knives threatening people in public you're gonna get whats coming to you...nevermind the fact that he wouldnt give in even when surrounded by cops, what would have happened if he took a hostage ?

They should have shot him in the shoulders. No need to risk killing the guy.

gerire

Why shoot him, they saved a perfectly good bullet there and he deserved what he got, meh a broken wrist, he'll be over that in 6 weeks

D!ve^Bomb!

why can't the guards do this?

Infini

Respect the police cars ****ing authority, haha!!

Ruffty^

If I was one of the cops I would have shot him in the lower legs/arms several times until he was unable to resist, I wouldn`t risk my job by using the car incase I smushed* him... But then again canada is very close to the us, perhaps some of their cowboy ideals rubbed off on Toronto`s finest...

John R

Ruffty^ wrote:

If I was one of the cops I would have shot him in the lower legs/arms several times until he was unable to resist, I wouldn`t risk my job by using the car incase I smushed* him... But then again canada is very close to the us, perhaps some of their cowboy ideals rubbed off on Toronto`s finest...

Been watching too many films/TV methinks. Police are taught to always aim for the central mass when shooting, a leg or arm is a pretty small target the chances of missing are high. Also the result of wounding someone in the leg or arm is unpredictable, if shooting someone is warranted they are an immediate threat and the object is to stop them completely. A leg or arm wound cannot guarantee that, in fact it can easily escalate a situation.

Cake Fiend

Yep, AFAIK they're told that if they need to use a lethal weapon, it should be with lethal force (probably to minimize accidental deaths brought on by a cop trying to shoot someone in the shoulder because of a lesser threat and missing)

mad m

seamus wrote:

They should have shot him in the shoulders. No need to risk killing the guy.

Haha,whos to say that a bullet in shoulder wont kill you!! Might hit a main artery or something...

Tusky

seamus wrote:

They should have shot him in the shoulders. No need to risk killing the guy.

More chance of dieing from that in my opinion, what if he missed and hit him in the chest?

D-Generate

When people die from gunshot wounds it is usually not from loss of blood but through hydrostatic shock. This is where the force of the bullet reverberates around the body and internal organs and basically destroys them. Since blood is a liquid it is non-compressable so that when a bullet hits it at force the force is carried throughout the body's blood stream and has an effect on anything surrounded by the blood. Therefore a shot in the leg can kill a person very easily, especially at close range.

Moriarty

Hydostatic shock is a load of cobblers.

The guy in the vid also got off pretty well, he could have easily been shot dead which is exactly what he wanted.

Tusky

Moriarty wrote:

Hydostatic shock is a load of cobblers.

The guy in the vid also got off pretty well, he could have easily been shot dead which is exactly what he wanted.

I'll get YOU off easily.

Ruffty^

Sico wrote:

Yep, AFAIK they're told that if they need to use a lethal weapon, it should be with lethal force (probably to minimize accidental deaths brought on by a cop trying to shoot someone in the shoulder because of a lesser threat and missing)

In the us everyone has 3/4 guns so the cops are taught non leathal shots aswell.
If a police officer`s life is threatened with a sharpened spoon he is still authorised to draw his weapon. He then has two choices to critically wound (head, upper torso) the suspect of to incapacitate / disable him (limbs). He decides this depending on the level of threat to his own or a civilian`s health.

I bet they discussed a non-leathal / neutralising shot (but this would have been very challenging/risky being surounded by bystanders); this was before the brainstorm and a cop car ran him down.

Dieing of shock from a 9mm leg wound from 10/15 feet would not be much of a factor (unless he was an old man), shock would be a major factor if you wounded him with a desert eagle or a high velocity rifle; and this went down in the middle of town so an ambulance would have been within easy reach.

This is of course assuming that the cops in canada have the same protocals as in the us