does creatine increase risk of heart disease

DonkeyKong

well exactly what the titles says!!

does creatine increase risk of heart disease

pwd

Beef is a natural source of creatine, so I guess if you were to try to ingest 10g of it a day by eating loads and loads of beef you'd significantly increase your risk of heart disease. Otherwise no.

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Where did you hear that it might? It hasn't been in use long enough to be 100% certain of its long term effects. It almost certainly is safe though at normal dosages. (10g a day).

Flex

One of the reasons it has a bad name/reputation is because some kid in the US died while using it.However haeres the full version of the story.The kid weighed 162lbs and wanted to drop to 150lbs in ONE day.So he went in a sauna with a rubber hat thing on, heavy clothes and used a stationary bike in an effort to sweat 12lbs out in 1 day.Needless to say he died and cretine got a bad rap over it.Anyway creatine is naturally produced in the body already and like pwd said, if ya keep it at about 10grams a day youll be grand.

DonkeyKong

i spoke with a physician a year or so back and he told me to stay off the stuff. however he also asked me how much protein was is one chicken breast (he said was it 100g protein/breast) so maybe his info wasnt the most accurate.......

DonkeyKong

or maybe he eats half kilo breasts :eek: who knows!!!!!!!!!! :rolleyes:

Flex

DonkeyKong wrote:

i spoke with a physician a year or so back and he told me to stay off the stuff. however he also asked me how much protein was is one chicken breast (he said was it 100g protein/breast) so maybe his info wasnt the most accurate.......

Yeah my doctor said to leave and my aunts a fitness instructor and said the same but they said to stay away from it because to little is known about and that fella(mentioned in my last post) died "while using it".I used it before and got good gains in only 4 weeks.Im startin another cycle now and Im expectin good gains again hopefully.What brand do ya buy?

DonkeyKong

ive used a few different suppliers, USN, reflex and body fortress. to tell you the truth i didnt see any difference in strength while using it. i used to take it with protein.

i stopped taking all supplements about 9 months ago, including creatine and protein. i toned up alot and i lost weight alright but i think that was the protein because wehn i started taking the creatine i gained maybe a pound or 2 nothin much. i didnt notice any strength gains while taking it but by god i lost alot of strenth without the supplements!!!! back on now for the last 3 months. i have heard of cases where creatine has no effect on some people maybe im that some people.

Flex

DonkeyKong wrote:

ive used a few different suppliers, USN, reflex and body fortress. to tell you the truth i didnt see any difference in strength while using it. i used to take it with protein.

i stopped taking all supplements about 9 months ago, including creatine and protein. i toned up alot and i lost weight alright but i think that was the protein because wehn i started taking the creatine i gained maybe a pound or 2 nothin much. i didnt notice any strength gains while taking it but by god i lost alot of strenth without the supplements!!!! back on now for the last 3 months. i have heard of cases where creatine has no effect on some people maybe im that some people.

Is it just creatine by itself or does it contain that creatine forcing monohydrate stuff called dextrose?

pwd

dextrose is just another name for glucose. Creatine monohydrate is just the full name for creatine. Creatine is absorbed more efficiently into muscles when taken mixed with glucose/dextrose in a ratio of at least 1:4 creatine:glucose.

Creatine does effect different people to different degrees. It improves the body's ability to recover from exercise. It also increases the amount of energy stored in muscles so you can train muscles harder with certain exercises. Creatine does not have any effect in this way if too high a number of reps is used, and is less effective if too low a number of reps is used to exercise.

Micronized creatine dissolves more easily in fluid, so it is more likely to be absorbed well than non-micronized creatine.

OFDM

No one knows what the long term effects of using creatine are. There is simply insufficient data at present to be able to draw any conclusions either way. Multiple long-term studies would have to be done with varying groups of people to rule out other causes of any effects found common to a test group.

Flex

I went into Nutrition Connection on Caple Street yesterday to buy some creatine.They sell American brand products, not as cheap as buyin online from the US, but still alot cheaper than usual(Got 4lbs of creatine monohydrate for E45,Defo goin back!).Anyway I was gonna buy Cell-Tech by Muscletech, but went with creatine by ON.Does anyone know is ON's creatine good?

DonkeyKong

yeah i always took it with water come to think of it, maybe thats why it didnt work i probably just pi**ed it straight outta my body! the few that i have tried were non micronized cos they never dissolved well in water, i could always feel the grains on my tongue and in my teeth. i might give it ago but take it with some dextrose. i think you can buy the stuff cheap £4.50/kg ster from england at this link if anyones interested

http://www.myprotein.co.uk/carbohydrates/dextrose/dextrose.cfm

thanks again all

kasintahan

DonkeyKong wrote:

yeah i always took it with water come to think of it, maybe thats why it didnt work i probably just pi**ed it straight outta my body!

I don't know Creatine.

But AFAIK the water you swallow enters the stomach and they only way you can "piss it out" is by absorbing into the bloodstream and filtering out in the kidneys.

AARRRGH

DonkeyKong wrote:

well exactly what the titles says!!

does creatine increase risk of heart disease

I seriously doubt it.

IMHO You kidneys will give way before your heart does. And that will only happen if you're totally taking the piss.

Taking "normal" amounts, drinking lots of water, and doing enough training so your body actual uses it... I think that would be fine.

RonanC

DonkeyKong wrote:

i might give it ago but take it with some dextrose. i think you can buy the stuff cheap £4.50/kg ster from england

Save some money by going to Superquinn/ Tesco/ etc as they sell it as 'Glucose' for ~€0.99 per 500g.

And no, it doesn't cause heart disease. Cardiac muscle is fundamentally different to skeletal muscle.

CREATINE SUPPLEMENTATION AND EXERCISE PERFORMANCE: A BRIEF REVIEW

Stephen P. Bird
School of Human Movement Studies, Human Performance Laboratory, Charles Sturt University, Bathurst, NSW, Australia

Journal of Sports Science and Medicine (2003) 2, 123-132

ABSTRACT
During the past decade, the nutritional supplement creatine monohydrate has been gaining popularity exponentially. Introduced to the general public in the early 1990s, shortly after the Barcelona Olympic Games, creatine (Cr) has become one of the most widely used nutritional supplements or ergogenic aids, with loading doses as high as 20-30 g· day-1 for 5-7 days typical among athletes. This paper reviews the available research that has examined the potential ergogenic value of creatine supplementation (CrS) on exercise performance and training adaptations. Short-term CrS has been reported to improve maximal power/strength, work performed during sets of maximal effort muscle contractions, single-effort sprint performance, and work performed during repetitive sprint performance. During training CrS has been
reported to promote significantly greater gains in strength, fat free mass, and exercise performance primarily of high intensity tasks. However, not all studies demonstrate a beneficial effect on exercise performance, as CrS does not appear to be effective in improving running and swimming performance.
CrS appears to pose no serious health risks when taken at doses described in the literature and may enhance exercise performance in individuals that require maximal single effort and/or repetitive sprint bouts.