Next United GoalKeeper - Do United Need One!

yop

Alright then, someone mentioed in other thread to start this so.

What do you think, is it time to go out and break the bank, if YES, who?
If no why not, it is a case the Howard is not been given his chance or should Ricardo get his chance??

Personally I think we do, Who, Given is the only possible target we could get, Cudicini is a great keeper but I do not think he would move to Manchester, Buffon, Dida or Cassilas would be way too expensive.

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yop wrote:

Alright then, someone mentioed in other thread to start this so.

What do you think, is it time to go out and break the bank, if YES, who?
If no why not, it is a case the Howard is not been given his chance or should Ricardo get his chance??

Personally I think we do, Who, Given is the only possible target we could get, Cudicini is a great keeper but I do not think he would move to Manchester, Buffon, Dida or Cassilas would be way too expensive.

i think united should go for spurs paul robinson very good goalie
very angle and since Rio is at united and smith he will fit in perfect

Iago

Stipe Pletioska
Sebastian Frey
Andreas Issaksson

of those either of the last two would be my preference

SteM

Given or Robinson would be my choice.

TwoShedsJackson

It's abundantly obvious they need a new keeper - Francesco Toldo has been linked and apparently Inter will let him leave in the summer.

LegacyUser

we need a goalkeeper

They are costing us in Europe...it is ridiculous. It is weak.

Cianan2

I heard that Toldo is allowed leave in the summer too,and i think he would be a great buy for them. There is a young German chap, Hildebrande, that seems to be making a name for himself,too....

Oh,and i dont think Paul Robinson wuld be a good buy for them Stay!!!

case n basket

TwoShedsJackson wrote:

It's abundantly obvious they need a new keeper - Francesco Toldo has been linked and apparently Inter will let him leave in the summer.

Another flapper... Go on Fergie, sign him

Of all the affordable keepers I can think of, Isaksson is probably the most suitable for United.

The Muppet

Cianan2 wrote:

There is a young German chap, Hildebrande, that seems to be making a name for himself,too....

There was couple of clubs interested in Hildebrand but after an excellent first season in Germany his second has not been so impressive . I think United will go for a proven premiership keeper and Niemi would be my choice. After the saves smith pulled off at the weekend Southampton may be tempted to cash in on Niemi next summer as they appear to already have an excellent replacement

United did sign a German Keeper last week but he's is one for the future hopefully

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Ron-Robert Zieler has been paraded by Manchester United after completing his move from Cologne.
The young keeper agreed a three-year contract with The Red Devils in August as earlier reported and will bid to make a name for himself at Old Trafford.
"It is a great feeling," said Zieler recently. "Something entirely special.
"The chance to play at such a world-class club comes along very rarely.
"I have already been very impressed. I saw many pros like striker Ruud van Nistelrooy and also coach Alex Ferguson.
"I will be in good hands. I have the ambition, the discipline and, in addition, the will.
"Money played no role in my decision. I only want to play football."
United scouts have informed the German media that they rate the 16-year-old as the best keeper of his age group in Europe.
Zieler will have a pal from his homeland at United in the shape of young midfielder Markus Neumayr.

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dcarroll

I think Mickael Landreau, plays for Nantes and France, and is unsettled, anyone remember the job he did against Utd in the Champs League about 3 or 4 years ago, he's only about 25 too

KdjaCL

Given imo good for all involved

kdjac

Dont be at yourself

Yeah, Given would work wonders for Utd. Although he's being kept sharp behind that Newcastle defence!

The Muppet

NekkidBibleMan wrote:

Yeah, Given would work wonders for Utd. Although he's being kept sharp behind that Newcastle defence!

What Height is Given? He looks a bit small to me but apart from that he is an excellent Keeper. Maybe we could put lifts in his boots or stretch him a couple of inches.

PHB

Given is an amazing shot stopper, but he, like Cuddicini, doesnt deal well enough with crosses.
That said he saves a load of teh headers that come towards him after teh crosses.
But united need a big european goalie to compete in Europe.

Cech's best quality imo is his ability to just walk out and catch crosses.

Toldo would be a good buy I guess, proven etc etc. Don't know if Fergie wants someone that old.

p.s. Given and Cech are the only keepers in the premiership I think might be worth buying, in terms of quality and age.

Big Ears

KdjaC wrote:

Given imo good for all involved

kdjac

Its not good for Newcastle , and id imagine a fee around £15 million would be in order to pry him away from st.James' Park . He is Newcastle's best player and every fan , player and coach at the club knows it , im only worried Freddy Sheperd doesn't .Even though he is a goalkeeper Newcastle are far from debt and given at 29 would command such a fee .

PHB

Thats exactly the point, newcaslte would want 15 mill, and for 15 mill you could buy almost any keeper in the world.
There are other options imo

cournioni

I reckon, dump Carroll and Ricardo. Hang onto Howard because he is still young in goalkeeping terms and see how he does.

Buffon, Toldo and Hildebrand would be on my wanted list, tbh.

KdjaCL

PHB wrote:

Given is an amazing shot stopper, but he, like Cuddicini, doesnt deal well enough with crosses.

There is no mythical keeper who is good at catching crosses consistently from professional players who practice everyday to cross the ball away from the keeper.
It is really hard to do and impossible to be good at it when really good players are whipping them in.

kdjac

PHB

Obviously, but some keepers are able to deal consistantly with the crosses that aren't perfect.
Cech is one of those keepers, as was Schmeical for example. Given doesn't do that, its not his style of keeping goal, and imo its somethign important for europe

KdjaCL

heh Schemichel wasnt good at and was caught out lots of times he just used to shout out really loud then run out and catch it while the strikers shat themselves.

Cech as well will be caught out as soon as someone gets down the wings a few times (midfielders constantly covering the fullbacks).

I have never seen a keeper who i would even rate as okish on crosses as its not possible, seen good defenders snuff out crosses and never give the attacker the time to make a decent cross and such but never a keeper that was good at it.



kdjac

PHB

Well if thats the case, which I'm not quite sure it is, I want a keeper who can shout loud I dont think Given can shout loud

[Jackass]

The bottom line is United are the biggest club on the planet (wheter we like it or not! ), and there is no question that this is the one area where they have no strengt in depth. They play on a level, where players need to prove themselves, and prove themeselves fast...all of uniteds keepers are either not at the level of champions leauge football, or top premiership level, or have been tryed and failed at those levels...Howard is decent, so is Caroll, but not at that level. They need to bite the bullet, and stop trying to find the next schiemcal, and buy a player who is proven to be world class (before you say it, i know they tried that with Barthez, but they need to try it again). Buy somebody who's done it at every level, and pay the money...united need it so bad, he'll be worth his weight in Gold. The only players in the premiership proven to be able for it are Given and Robinson. I wouldn't go abroad for a keeper, i think either one of them need to be Uniteds main summer target, and they should pay the money it'll take. Chelsea are the only top team without serious 'keeper problems, and it shows. (I'm a neuatral supporter of the premiership, but i think United are the best team, but that is the area that has seriosly cost them this season)

TwoShedsJackson

PORNAPSTER wrote:

Buffon, Toldo and Hildebrand would be on my wanted list, tbh.

Buffon won't leave Juventus even if Man U forked out the gigantic fee it would take to be accepted by the Juve board - he's young, on a massive contract and is regularly winning trophies there.

Toldo is 33, hardly over the hill for a keeper, could be got for less than 3 million as he's going to be on the last year of his contract, and is a very good keeper.

Don't know anything about Hildebrand, and I really hope Given doesn't go (to Utd or Arsenal) but he probably needs to be realistic at this stage in his career.

Boro

I heard Idriss Kameni being mentioned with a move to Utd or Arsenal. He seems to be a really good keeper. Plays for Espanyol, and apparently is very unhappy with the racial abuse in spain (he is from Cameroon). You might have seen him playing for Schevchenkos side in the Tsunami match.

Dont be at yourself

PHB wrote:

Well if thats the case, which I'm not quite sure it is, I want a keeper who can shout loud I dont think Given can shout loud

So David James then?

Pigman II

They should see what price Dean Kiely is going for. He's the most underrated goalie in the premiership and could probably be bought for a song. I'm sure they'd get 2-4 seasons out him until some longterm replacement could be acquired and he's the kinda guy who'll rarely (if ever?) let you down making the kind of stupid mistakes that seem to come part-n-parcel with the likes of Carroll, Dudek et al

WhiteWashMan

surely after the spurs debacle, they are continuing to pay the wages of the linesmen and referees?
sure, what would they need a better keeper for when you cant score even when the ball is 3 feet over the line?

The Muppet

WhiteWashMan wrote:

surely after the spurs debacle, they are continuing to pay the wages of the linesmen and referees?
sure, what would they need a better keeper for when you cant score even when the ball is 3 feet over the line?

Let it go man or it will eat you up inside.:)

yop

WhiteWashMan wrote:

surely after the spurs debacle, they are continuing to pay the wages of the linesmen and referees?
sure, what would they need a better keeper for when you cant score even when the ball is 3 feet over the line?

WWM - Still have them nightmares lad.. we know its tough but walk away from the goal... walk into the light. :eek:

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Iago

WhiteWashMan wrote:

surely after the spurs debacle, they are continuing to pay the wages of the linesmen and referees?
sure, what would they need a better keeper for when you cant score even when the ball is 3 feet over the line?

I really don't know what your problem is, the rules are very clear on this subject

"A goal shall be given when The ENTIRE Keeper has crossed the line, not partially"

very clear imho

WhiteWashMan

Iago wrote:

I really don't know what your problem is, the rules are very clear on this subject

"A goal shall be given when The ENTIRE Keeper has crossed the line, not partially"

very clear imho

snigger.
you made me sort coffee out of my nose

bastard!

(hope i dont get banned again for that bit of personal abuse there )

dcarroll

Anyone else think we should have kept Barthez, fair enough he made one or two mistakes (Ronaldo Real Madrid) but I still feel he was one of the worlds top ten keepers

Chucky the tree

barthez was too erratic. If your a defence that plays behind an erratic keeper you wont feel confident and thus, defender will start to slip up and make mistakes aswell.

given is 6'0 aswell for whoever asked.

Dewey

Why is it United always go for keepers who are not proven in the Premiership??

What United need to do is buy a top class premiership keeper. Dont do a Chelsea and pay £7million for someone who isnt proven in the Premiership. (And i know Cezh has been a huge success at Chelsea and he is one of the best in the world but United dont have a great record with big money keepers)

Look at the top keepers in the premiership at the moment:

Shay Given- 60 international caps and has been loyal to Newcastle and would be a great buy.

Dean Kiely-This guy must win at least 12 points for Charlton every season. nearly every game its he makes some outstanding save. Under-rated and maybe be able to get him on the cheap.

Paul Robinson-United should of got him when they took Alan Smith from Leeds. they could of paid £2million for him but it would be near double figures now he is Englands No.1.

I belive these are 3 of the best keepers in Europe and i will be shocked if United once again go aboard for a new No.1.

Chucky the tree

think spurs would be looking for closer to 6 mil for robinson. He very young, and they would be crazy to let him go for anything less. Specially when they arent in any financial trouble.

Cianan2

I think they should go for Karmeni(im not sure if thats how you spell it,its the keeper with espanyol) Played a stormer tonight against Barca,some savage saves were made.

Keano_sli

"Antti Niemi is top of Sir Alex Ferguson's list of keeper targets for the summer, says The Times. They claim that Roy Carroll will leave this summer and with Tim Howard not exactly impressing, United will look elsewhere - with the Saints keeper the favourite."

I think this would be the right move and if Southampton go down, he will go for a song. Carroll apparently is haning out on signing his contract which is still on the table (Lucky boy) as he still wants to be guaranteed No.1 . No Chance Roy, sign the damn thing while its still on offer, better to be No.2 at a Club like Man U than No.1 at a small club. Once you leave a Club like United your career only goes one way. Nicky Butt anyone!

crowl

heh Schemichel wasnt good at and was caught out lots of times he just used to shout out really loud then run out and catch it while the strikers shat themselves.

ah good times ^^

PHB

I think they should try and buy Casillas for a **** **** **** load of money

dceire

PHB wrote:

I think they should try and buy Casillas for a **** **** **** load of money

Casillas is, in my humble opinion, the best keeper in the world at the moment & i can’t see him leaving Real & even if he dose it would take a hell of a lot of money to buy him.

One of these keepers would be a good signing
Francesco Toldo
Shay Given
Robert Green
Anti Neimi
Young Czech keeper Jan Lastuvka has been touted as the next Petr Cech

PHB

Thats my point, screw getting Given or Green or Neimi, get Casillas, or Buffon, or etc.
Don't settle for second best is what I'm saying. We spent 30 mill on Rio, 30 on Rooney, 17 mill on Van Nist, and look how well they are doing.
Lets spend our next 30 million on a keeper

kensutz

Green signed a new contract for us. We fear he will leave in the summer but he is an excellent goalkeeper

The Muppet

PHB wrote:

We spent 30 mill on Rio, 30 on Rooney, 17 mill on Van Nist, and look how well they are doing.
Lets spend our next 30 million on a keeper

Don't forget the 26 million on Veron. Big money signings are not always the answer. £30 Million is a hell of a lot of money for a keeper, I'm sure we could get someone that can actually catch a ball for a lot less than that.

eirebhoy

Given isn't 2nd best. :mad:

BTW, he is actually decent at crosses (one game against Bolton (was it?) won't change that) and has one hell of a shout.

The only fault I can see with Given is that he hates kicking a rolling ball. That really is the only fault. I've seen very few better performances than his against Arsenal and Switzerland.

dcarroll

kensutz wrote:

Green signed a new contract for us. We fear he will leave in the summer but he is an excellent goalkeeper

No where near united quality, if we had just spent the £30 million on buffon when schmeichel left we probably would have saved money, given all the transfer fees Bosnich, Taibi, Carroll, Barthez, Ricardo, Steele, Howard, and the wages we have paid these must have come to over £30 million, and i don't think united got a penny in transfer fees back for any of them that realised they're not even fit to clean the great dane's boots and left

Jivin Turkey

dceire wrote:

the next Petr Cech

What has Petr Cech really achieved in his career to date for anyone to be touted as "the next". He is having a great season, but the defence in front of him is more responsible for the number of goals conceeded than him.

I really dont remember seeing him making multiple amazing saves in games,
like for example you see Given making, all the time.

He is extremely solid in every department, and Im sure he will turn out to be a great keeper, but I think some people are really getting carried away with his ability.

Chucky the tree

Jivin Turkey wrote:

What has Petr Cech really achieved in his career to date for anyone to be touted as "the next". He is having a great season, but the defence in front of him is more responsible for the number of goals conceeded than him.

I really dont remember seeing him making multiple amazing saves in games,
like for example you see Given making, all the time.

He is extremely solid in every department, and Im sure he will turn out to be a great keeper, but I think some people are really getting carried away with his ability.

off the top of my head, excellent save against liverpool i nthe cup final, against united in the semi final, and against spurs at the start of the season.

Brian017

On this subject...

Reds Sign Young German Stopper



Manchester United have completed the signing of 16-year-old goalkeeper Ron-Robert Zieler from FC Cologne.

Zieler arrived at Carrington on Friday afternoon with his parents to sign scholarship forms with the Reds.

Les Kershaw is Academy Director at Manchester United, and he explained to this website the process for bringing Zieler to the club.

"We have a scout based in Germany called Peter Braund," explains Kershaw. "Peter watched him play and recommended the boy to the club.

"He was then watched by our goalkeeping coaches and FC Cologne allowed him to come here for a period of assessment.

"We liked what we saw," Kershaw told ManUtd.com. "He will join us this summer, on 1 July. It's a scholarship scheme - the scheme offered to all 16-year-old boys who come to the club."

The signing of the highly-rated teenager from Bundesliga club FC Cologne is further evidence of the United's policy of throwing the net further afield to attract young talent.

The Reds made the summer capture of 18-year-olds Gerard Pique and Giuseppe Rossi from Barcelona and Parma respectively.

PHB

Big money signings are oftentimes the anwser.
Veron is a midfielder, which in Italy might be different to England.
A keeper is a keeper, it doesnt change from country to country.
Casillas is an option, Buffon is an option, it should be a keeper who is the number one for his country and his country should be in the last 16 of the world cup reguarly, simply enough.

I dont think Given isn't a great keeper, but he doesnt represent value for money.
He'll cost like 15-20 mill because Newcaslte love him so much, and he is 30 years old, with a max of 4 more years on him as a top class keeper ith no resale value.
Casillas might cost 20-25 mill, but if you bought him you'd have him for four years, and could sell him on if you want, or keep him until retirment.

Chucky the tree

given will have another 6 years as top class probaly. Not a chance you will get casilas for 20-25, morel ike over 30. Also i doubt he would leave real for united.