bin charges............shut up!!!!!!!!!!!

goin'_to_the_PS

I'm sooooooooo tired of people going on about bin charges, look if you didn't pay bin charges you'ld end up paying the same on something else its called council tax. Bin men and trucks cost money it needs to be paid for, why should we get something for free that nearly every other EU country pays for.

BoneCollector

Oh Gawd!! another one that likes taking it from behind.

lomb

bin charges are a result of tighter eu regulations increasing waste disposal costs and higher land costs
/ filling existing land fills etc
the funding to local councils to deal with waste has not increased, it is the same.
the only way the council can deal with the problem is to get more money from the government or charge people a levy.
i prefer the latter, it keeps general taxes down and is in line with reducing direct taxation to our neighbours the UK.

Pataman

Its the only way to made people reduce/recycle more often. Hit them in the pocket

Orion

I only disagree with flat fee charges. They still apply in Maynooth despite the order for pay per use charges from 1/1!

Scarinae

I think bin charges are a good idea because they are actually forcing people to recycle. I don't know what its like in other county councils, but in Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown they have a pay-by-weight system. People are actually separating their rubbish now, composting, going to bottle banks - its wonderful!! I don't see how environmentalists can be against bin taxes when its resulting in this.

I also think they should charge for water, but thats a different story

Keeks

The only problem that seems to be with the new system is that peopl aren't recycling properly or that the councils are letting the bring cnetres build up with material that it just left piled beside the bins.

Jane Doe

People are so cheap. They can't be arsed recycling and yet expect their rubbish to be taken away to fairy land for free. When the protests where going on in Dublin last it really bugged me. We pay twice here in cork what they pay AND it's dumped here- including of course other rural areas in Ireland. At least we have the sense to realize it's not going to disappear- it has to go somewhere. U didn't hear us complaining. God- some people are so ignorant nowadays!

Talliesin

Firstly, I don't want just my rubbish to be taken away, I want everyone's rubbish to be taken away. That's basic bloody sanitation, and should be covered by my income tax (and while it's hard to say just what I earn right now - in the beginning stages of setting up my own business - I have been above average in income tax, so it's hardly selfish for me to say so).

What really gets me is the crap service we have now. We still have to bring stuff to bring centres, and now some bring centres are charging as well!

"Environmental charge" isn't a description, it's marketing. The current situation is not good for the environment.

lomb

Fishie wrote:

I also think they should charge for water, but thats a different story

that would involve changing the irish constitution, otherwise we would already have been charged

Talliesin

Fishie wrote:

I think bin charges are a good idea because they are actually forcing people to recycle.

No, they're very much encouraging me to put recyclable rubbish in the non-recyclable bin and pay for it rather than stock-piling it (not everyone has garage space where they can hygenicly store even "clean" rubbish) before bringing it to a bring centre because they have so few recyclable rubbish collections and one green bin is seen as adequte for a household with six people and one business who actively choose recyclable packaging over non-recyclable (obviously prefering as little packaging as possible). They also don't deal with whole categories of recyclable waste, so that has to be brought to the bring centre too.

Really, if I didn't believe in recycling myself I'd just chuck the lot in the black bin and pay more frequent charges.

Sesshoumaru

I think pay per use bin charges are a great idea. I am quite happy to pay €6 per bin tag. In my household we throw out alot less waste now than we used to. If these bin charges hadn't been introduced our recycle bin would not get as much use as it does.

I am also really sick and tired of hearing the misrible scroungers in this country go on and on about the bin charges. I think its a fairly typical Irish attitude, trying to get everything for nothing! Where do these people think the money for waste disposal comes from? magical fairy land taxes? no doubt the same place they think that waste goes! the magical fairy land dump! At least with bin charges we get transparency as to where our money goes.

ishmael whale

Jane Doe wrote:

.... When the protests where going on in Dublin last it really bugged me. We pay twice here in cork what they pay AND it's dumped here- including of course other rural areas in Ireland. At least we have the sense to realize it's not going to disappear- it has to go somewhere. U didn't hear us complaining. God- some people are so ignorant nowadays!

I see. The protest in Dublin last year annoyed you, but presumably the recent protests in Cork passed you by. And presumably you’re totally comfortable with the reports of illegal dumping in Kerry.

I think its fair to say this is a national problem, and part of that problem is that Irish people generally have difficulty in taking responsibility for their own waste. Bringing your Cork chip into the picture adds nothing to the debate.

http://www.examiner.ie/pport/web/Full_Story/did-sg-KhZpV5-hyQsg7IQHSmeYhNE.asp
Councillors hold sit-in over bin policy
CORK’S city manager insisted there will be no change in Cork City Council’s bin collection policy last night, despite a day-long sit-in in his office. Joe Gavin said the full rigours of the law will be brought to bear on people who dump illegally. …. Hundreds of bins have not been collected and illegal dumping has increased, the councillors said. ….A major anti-service charges campaign is planned.

http://www.indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=68663
Report of Anti-Bin Charges March in Cork - February 12th
About 300 people marched on Saturday afternoon in protest at the ongoing stand-off over the bin tax and the non-collection of domestic rubbish in Cork City. ….. it was addressed by an Sandra Condon, an activist with Householders Against Service Charges (HASC) who was jailed in 2001 for opposing Cork City Councils' policies. A number of recently elected city-councillors also spoke

http://www.unison.ie/irish_independ...&issue_id=12151
Household waste 'being dumped on large scale'
MAJOR illegal dumping of household refuse is taking place in Co Kerry, a county councillor has claimed. ….There have also been incidents of illegal car dumping in and around the Killarney National Park. Following a tip-off, Mr Cronin uncovered two large dumps, containing beds, bottles, cans, and household rubbish apparently dumped there on a regular basis. One of the dumps contains up to 15 tonnes of rubbish, it is estimated. … Councillors claim hundreds of customers have signed up with private operators, rather than comply with the council's new refuse regulations which ask householders to segregate dry recyclables.

Sleepy

This is one of the few issues in which I'm extremly proud of my home county. Every local authority in the country should be forced to go look at Galway's Recycling set up and it should be replicated in each one.

Scarinae

What is Galway's recycling set up though? I'm not familiar with it

cactushan

you people are great jesus i thought i was the only one who was getting pissed off with people complaining about bin charges i dont see why we shoulnt

muffler

Interesting to note that most of those opposed to bin charges are in Dublin

Gael

muffler wrote:

Interesting to note that most of those opposed to bin charges are in Dublin

They are. Or at least the ones making out that their human rights have been broken are. Everywhere else in country pays it. The rest of us aren't exactly ecstatic about paying them but we recognise them as a necessary evil. Like just about any tax.

And to be fair to Dubliners, it's only in certain parts of the city that it's a protesting issue. Joe Higgin's area is one of them. Maybe he thinks bin protests are the catalyst to the Great Proletariat Revolution.

ishmael whale

muffler wrote:

Interesting to note that most of those opposed to bin charges are in Dublin

I’m not sure what conclusion we’re meant to be drawing from this.

The bin charges campaign is indeed orchestrated by opportunists, largely in Dublin and Cork. I don’t know, but maybe they are more fertile ground for such a campaign as there’s less opportunity to dump illegally. Certainly we’ve a ways to go before we can confidently assert that Irish people feel responsible for the waste they generate.

http://archives.tcm.ie/businesspost/2004/02/01/story527870465.asp
http://www.kilkennycoco.ie/publications/council_news/default.aspx?id=1041
http://www.leitrimcoco.ie/Services/environment/litter.htm
http://www.castlebar.ie/news/article_2072.shtml
http://www.munster-express.ie/050128/news13.htm
http://www.carlow-nationalist.ie/news/story.asp?j=22910
http://www.ipcc.ie/currentaction2005-4.html
http://www.westernpeople.ie/community/story.asp?j=12512
http://www.longford.ie/KenaghVigilante.doc