MetallicA:Sellouts?

Beekay

Everyone always says(including me) that when MetallicA made load and reload they sold out.
Selling out usually means when a band changes their music to appeal to a wider audience and sell MORE albums.
But load and reload have sold nowhere near as many albums as the previous five.
So did question i'm askin is did MetallicA sell out?

bombidol

nope. just they ran out of ideas real quick

mp3guy

they sold out when they released black...

Baggio

I'm always puzzled by all of this,
Im not a Metallica fan, find em too one dimensional and lots of the same ol' same ol' etc, so if theyve changed their sound well,,,maybe they should do more of it!!!... Mind you do it WITHOUT losing their core sound , its a tricky thing to do, but any bands I like have done it and done it well,,,it means you survive adapt and become better musicians and a better band. So I can never understand fans or ex fans yelling "SOLD OUT MAN" sold out of what??......their musicians!... their entitiled to grow and develop. I'm damm glad all the bands I like did it in a workable way otherwise theyd all be gone!..Even U2 learned from these top notch bands that they had to adapt aswell to survive. So lads,,,SOLD OUT??..Naa they probably just grew up!!

ciao'...Baggio..................

/V\etalfish

No they didnt sell out !?

i dont get why so many people say this about metallica , sure they tried something new and as you said if they "sold out" it means they would have done so to make more money by selling more albums ...the loads were nowhere near as popular as any other album

just because a band tries something new does not make them sellouts
they've always been about making the music how they wanted it to be made and if people dont like they dont buy it
its as simple as that

Karl Hungus

I think it's just that they became a completely different band when Cliff died.

Gone West

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guy1: hey did you hear about metallica? they sold out in like 5 minutes!

guy2: yeah I know.

guy1:no i meant the concert

irokie

...prepare for a rant...

Metallica didn't sell out. Not intentionally. They just got old. When Bob Rock came in to make black with them, he sort of threw down a glove; he said "i've seen what you guys do live and i think you've never caught that in a record". So between that, and Hetfield and Lars feeling that they'd taken the 7-minute-song-with-a-twelve-riffs-and-a-shreddy-solo-thing-somewhere-in-there thing as far as they could, you got black.
Load was an extension of that. And it's a great record. The Outlaw Torn? That even beats much of their older stuff... it's just great. They were more comfortable with Rock, listened to some more of his ideas and just grooved. Prior to black, it used to be just james and lars in the studio for most of the recording, then kirk'd come in and lay down his solos and jason would put on the bass. (similarly with cliff, but i think he was probably brought in much earlier than jason).
Reload was rushed. It was songs that weren't ready/good enough for load. Some good songs, but we could've lived without it.

They changed their sound cos they felt like it. That simple. And it's the same thing with St Anger. Whatever you say about it, it's different to load/reload.

The sad thing is when you realised that they've lost their **** YOU attitude. If you've seen SKoM, you'll have seen the scene where they're being told that if they don't do a commercial, then this radio station (and the gajillion others owned by the parent company) is not going to play their record. When they were younger, they would've said **** YOU! WE DON'T NEED YOU ANYWAY! like they did to MTV for so long. But they caved. They're worried about stuff. They're not challenging the status quo as much anymore.

Which is a shame. Because the anger in Ride the Lightning, or ...And Justice For All or Damage Inc. was just beautiful to behold. Metallica were always at their best when they're fighting somehting. St Anger has something of that... they're fighting their demons, and you can feel the catharsis. And it's really good if you're in that mood.

But they don't have the same vitriol that they used to have. They have families. They haven't sold out, they've softened a little in their old age (whatever about the aggression in St Anger).

I don't think they've sold out.

Con9903

It was bob rocks influence that ****ed them over

Beekay

Karl Hungus wrote:

I think it's just that they became a completely different band when Cliff died.

I agree with that. Kirk and James always say he was the most classicly
trained member of the band.it rubbed off on them for ...And Justice For All.
The black album has its moments but i'll never treat it the same as the first four.

projectmayhem

they didn't sell out at any point when releasing cd's. they sold out (imo) when they started to sue their own fans during the napster debacle. by "them" i should probably be referencing "lars", but he sued as a representative of metallica inc.

metallica loves you.

Ph3n0m

irokie wrote:

The Outlaw Torn? That even beats much of their older stuff...

You are surely taking the proverbial piss - The Outlaw Torn a better song then anything off their first 3 albums? That is a seriously bold statement to make, since not one of the albums since Master of Puppets have been able to capture Metallica at their finest, and rawest.

Drums

Beekay wrote:

Everyone always says(including me) that when MetallicA made load and reload they sold out.
Selling out usually means when a band changes their music to appeal to a wider audience and sell MORE albums.
But load and reload have sold nowhere near as many albums as the previous five.
So did question i'm askin is did MetallicA sell out?

Yeah I think they did.
St. Anger was a totally different style of music to their previous stuff

irokie

Ph3n0m wrote:

You are surely taking the proverbial piss - The Outlaw Torn a better song then anything off their first 3 albums? That is a seriously bold statement to make, since not one of the albums since Master of Puppets have been able to capture Metallica at their finest, and rawest.

so you're saying you'd prefer to listen to Escape than The Outlaw Torn? I think the Outlaw Torn has an intensity that's lacking from some of the stuff on the early records.

That it happens to be one of my favourite songs of all time may have something to do with this... :rolleyes:

Ph3n0m

irokie wrote:

so you're saying you'd prefer to listen to Escape than The Outlaw Torn? I think the Outlaw Torn has an intensity that's lacking from some of the stuff on the early records.

That it happens to be one of my favourite songs of all time may have something to do with this... :rolleyes:

without question I would prefer Escape over The Outlaw Torn

irokie

fair enough then.

Gothic Warrior

/V\etalfish wrote:

No they didnt sell out !?

i dont get why so many people say this about metallica , sure they tried something new and as you said if they "sold out" it means they would have done so to make more money by selling more albums ...the loads were nowhere near as popular as any other album

just because a band tries something new does not make them sellouts
they've always been about making the music how they wanted it to be made and if people dont like they dont buy it
its as simple as that

Exactly.

And for the record, Cliff Burton was amazing for a METAL bass player, but he would be out of his league with genuine trained musicians like Victor Wooten and Jaco Pastorius. Pulling Teeth is good when you're 14, until you turn 16 and work it out on bass and realise it's just some very basic arpeggios sugar coated with distortion.

Lemming

projectmayhem wrote:

they didn't sell out at any point when releasing cd's. they sold out (imo) when they started to sue their own fans during the napster debacle. by "them" i should probably be referencing "lars", but he sued as a representative of metallica inc.

metallica loves you.

I'm going to jump on this with a giant boot. Metallica approached Napster and said "please don't list our songs. *We* don't *our* songs distrubuted like this at this time and we'd appreciate it if you just filtered them out of searches".

Napster said "f*ck you" (ironically enough) and the rest is history.

Metallica did not sue their fans. In fact I would query if *any* artist that has jumped on the RIAA bandwagon has seen a penny of what the RIAA have sued for. What I do dislike is that they allowed themselves to be used as puppets by the RIAA to be wheeled out in a proxy-battle.

empirix

Karl Hungus wrote:

I think it's just that they became a completely different band when Cliff died.

What a load of crap! How did they become completely different, they became different when the black album came out and i would put that down to Bob Rocks influence on them. But in a way, they had to take a new direction musically or else they would of ended up like the slayer, just releasing the same old same old music - Slayer havent released a decent album since Seasons in the Abyss, there just releasing noise now! But hey they are the gods of it all

D!ve^Bomb!

Metallica have NOT sold out, they have just grown and matured and it shows in their music, I don't personally have re-load but I do know a good few songs off it and I also have Load... I actually prefer their newer **** than the older, I think it sounds better, I think the music is more intelligent and better written... so what if YOU don't like it!!! guess what it's not the 80's anymore and you're GAY!!

That is all;)

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

ummm

ROFL

hahahahahahahahahahahaha

you are ****ing precious

paulmartin

I don't think Metallica sold out. I always thought they were great songwriters on the first four albums, the lyrics and the arrangements and stuff, so I always thought it would be cool if they tried new stuff, like full power ballads, instead of just playing thrash metal all the time. They showed their versatility with classics like the Unforgiven and Nothing Else Matters,which were completely different to anything done on previous albums. If they had kept on doing the same stuff they would probably never have written that stuff. I don't think bands experimenting is selling out. Nobody ever accused Kurt Cobain of selling out when he done acoustic and I don't think Metallica did either. Listening to St. Anger nobody can say they made that album because they genuinely thought it would sell more records than a traditional Metallica album. Maybe, like somebody said, they just ran out of ideas.

Mr. CooL ICE

Cliff dying didnt completely change the band, but it did impact on them. Do you think MTV would have shown the video for One if he was still alive? I think releasing that video started a snowball that has lasted ever since. Selling out means losing your integrity for more money, and releasing the video did just that, in the eyes of metal fans.

Ever since that, they have committed the sins most metal fans shudder at the thought of, and gotten old aswell. They took a new producer on board, and instead of telling him what to do, they listened to him and took his advice on board, and released the black album. Ok, it was a very good record, but it was their last good one. Load had some great songs on it, but songs like Mama Said are just way too far gone from the old 80s thrash of before. As somebody said before, theres nothing wrong with a band experimenting and adapting to stay alive, but they had changed enough with the black album, and i think they shouldnt have gone much further than that. Reload was a load of bollox, except maybe for the first two songs, and the next 2 albums were just money makers. As for St Anger, if youve seen SKoM, you will see that they werent writing an album for themselves, they made one that was adapted for the audience in mind, and listen to it as often as you want, but it is just dishonest bollox.

D!ve^Bomb!

LordChessington wrote:

They took a new producer on board, and instead of telling him what to do, they listened to him and took his advice on board, and released the black album..

What do you think a producer is exactly?

LordChessington wrote:

As for St Anger, if youve seen SKoM, you will see that they werent writing an album for themselves, they made one that was adapted for the audience in mind, and listen to it as often as you want, but it is just dishonest bollox.

erm, what?

Lemming

LordChessington wrote:

Cliff dying didnt completely change the band, but it did impact on them. Do you think MTV would have shown the video for One if he was still alive? I think releasing that video started a snowball that has lasted ever since. Selling out means losing your integrity for more money, and releasing the video did just that, in the eyes of metal fans.

Excuse me. But ...

WTF?!!!

So any band that releases a music video has sold out? Jeez. Best let Pantera, Slayer, Marilyn Manson, AC/DC, Iron Maiden, et al. know that they're sell outs eh?

But oooooh noooooo ... we can't have that? Who will fly the flag of metal? Surely the immaculately pristine perception I have of Pantera and Slayer can't be tarnished? Surely if I just ... adjust this bit ...and ... that .... bit! There!! My little world is safe

cournioni

No they didn't sell out. They just ran out of ideas without Cliff Burton around. And without being able to steal songs from Dave Mustaine.

Anyone saying that Metallica have "just grown and matured with their music" is a fool. How can any band with the lyrics "It ain't my Biachhhhhaaa" be seen as mature?

They would never have been a "great band" without Mustaine or Burton, and that has now come to light with their recent attempts at writing an album.

Lemming

PORNAPSTER wrote:

No they didn't sell out. They just ran out of ideas without Cliff Burton around.

Possibly. Or at the very least a lot less ideas coming into the pot.

And without being able to steal songs from Dave Mustaine.

:rolleyes:

Lets see. List the songs that Mustaine co-wrote then (besides alleged ones. I, for example, allege that Mustaine ripped off a riff that I *created* for Peace Sells .... *cough*).

Besides the Four Horsemen (aka. the Mechanix), Ride the lightning, Call of Ktulu

They would never have been a "great band" without Mustaine or Burton, and that has now come to light with their recent attempts at writing an album.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but eh ..... don't all the "sell-out" preachers claim that "And Justice for All ... " was a great album too? And well, last time I checked, Burton was a weeeee bit absent by then :rolleyes:

So who do you think wrote the album?

Praetorian

Metallica IMO

Kill 'em All 9.5/10
Ride The lightning 9/10
Master of Puppets 8.5/10
...And Justice For All 9/10
Metallica Black 8.5/10
Load 7/10
Reload 6/10
S&M 8.5/10
St Anger 5.5/10

Their music writing ability has dropped through the years, culminating in St Anger which was very ordinary. I suppose it's not surprising, but it is a little disappoining. Hopefully they'll surprise us some time in the future with a kick as$ release. I'm hoping for something as good as Iron Maiden's dance of death.

For the record, Mordeth is a poo poo head

cournioni

Lemming wrote:

Possibly. Or at the very least a lot less ideas coming into the pot.

Well all the ideas seem to have gone bone dry without him. Metallica have had only one decent song from the last fifteen years and that was "No Leaf Clover", even at that it was ruined by Hammet's wankery on the guitar.

Lemming wrote:

:rolleyes:

Lets see. List the songs that Mustaine co-wrote then (besides alleged ones. I, for example, allege that Mustaine ripped off a riff that I *created* for Peace Sells .... *cough*).

Besides the Four Horsemen (aka. the Mechanix), Ride the lightning, Call of Ktulu

Co-Written my arse. Mustaine wrote the bulk of those songs himself, Hetfield wrote the lyrics and Ulrich possibly re-arranged them a tad.

Also on the list was:
Jump in the Fire
Phantom Lord
Metal Militia
and parts of Leper Messiah.

Lemming wrote:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but eh ..... don't all the "sell-out" preachers claim that "And Justice for All ... " was a great album too? And well, last time I checked, Burton was a weeeee bit absent by then :rolleyes:

So who do you think wrote the album?

Well I am not one of the people who claims that AJFA is a "great album", it is decent, but very VERY repetitive and drawn out. They ripped a few riffs from Exodus and Dark Angel on the album anyway. Why should it be any better than any other album?

flangeman

Off topic a little but.....

On the subject of 'Sellout', a lot of people have very different views on what the word means.

A mate of mine used to believe that a band reached 'Sellout' stage when I'd mention I'd heard of them.

Obviously his tastes 'lived fast'. He used to scour the pages of Melody Maker and NME (when they were black and white!!) for the most obscure bands and 'get into them' asking our local shop in Ardee, County Louth to order in 'Gay bikers on Acid' singles and the like (no mp3's then). I always thought he was acting like a music 'wannabe' asshole but now, I assume he was just trying to look for a different sound.

Mr. CooL ICE

D!ve^Bomb! wrote:

What do you think a producer is exactly?

Excuse me for not elaborating, but from interviews, hetfield said that with fleming rasmussen, their view of a producer (at the time) was someone that records them, and not a whole pile else. And that was their view, not necessarily everyone elses.

Lemming wrote:

Excuse me. But ...

WTF?!!!

I did not say that any band that releases a video is a sell out. Saying that would include Deicide and Cannibal Corpse among sihtloads others. But if Cliff was around, do you think the success of the video for One on MTV would have gone to their heads, making them go in a more commercial direction?

egan007

Beekay wrote:

Everyone always says(including me) that when MetallicA made load and reload they sold out.
Selling out usually means when a band changes their music to appeal to a wider audience and sell MORE albums.
But load and reload have sold nowhere near as many albums as the previous five.
So did question i'm askin is did MetallicA sell out?

After 20 years of making music they deserve a retirement fund

Lemming

pornapster wrote:

even at that it was ruined by Hammet's wankery on the guitar.

As opposed to say, Mustaine's (keeping with the Megadeth connection) frequent masturbatory solos? Intro solo, play riff for 30 seconds, quarter-way solo, chorus, further solo, etc etc.

Note I am not singling out Mustaine here .... I can think of plenty of others too ....

PORNAPSTER wrote:

Co-Written my arse. Mustaine wrote the bulk of those songs himself, Hetfield wrote the lyrics and Ulrich possibly re-arranged them a tad.

and parts of Leper Messiah.

As I said - "alleged" by Mustaine.

I allege that Mustaine ripped off stuff that I wrote in my room 30 years ago before I was born and I was reincarnated as someone else that played with him once ......

You should be getting my point by now.

cournioni

Lemming wrote:

As opposed to say, Mustaine's (keeping with the Megadeth connection) frequent masturbatory solos? Intro solo, play riff for 30 seconds, quarter-way solo, chorus, further solo, etc etc.

Note I am not singling out Mustaine here .... I can think of plenty of others too ....

Uh huh... But at least Mustaine knows how to use different scales and doesn't use the wah so much that it sounds like a cat giving birth to an elephant.

Lemming wrote:

As I said - "alleged" by Mustaine.

I allege that Mustaine ripped off stuff that I wrote in my room 30 years ago before I was born and I was reincarnated as someone else that played with him once ......

You should be getting my point by now.

That is totally different, Mustaine did actually write those songs. Why do you think he was credited for them on the albums? Mustaine had asked them not to use his stuff on their album. Paul Curcio the producer of Kill Em All even stated this in an interview.

Ronan|Raven

I love the way people get so upset over it. If ya enjoy it then listen to it if not not point bleeting over and over about it. Who cares what Mister down the road or random poster to the web thinks. You aint gona change anything! Hell im gona go as far as calling every last one of you sellouts.


*prod

Ronan|Raven

flangeman wrote:

Off topic a little but.....

On the subject of 'Sellout', a lot of people have very different views on what the word means.

A mate of mine used to believe that a band reached 'Sellout' stage when I'd mention I'd heard of them.

Obviously his tastes 'lived fast'. He used to scour the pages of Melody Maker and NME (when they were black and white!!) for the most obscure bands and 'get into them' asking our local shop in Ardee, County Louth to order in 'Gay bikers on Acid' singles and the like (no mp3's then). I always thought he was acting like a music 'wannabe' asshole but now, I assume he was just trying to look for a different sound.

Well said

senordingdong

Metallica themselves have mentioned on plenty of occaasions that they changed the songs Mustaine CO-WROTE, just enough so that he could'nt sue them.
They were justbeing nice, and doing him a huge favour by giving him credit onthier albums.

Anyway...take your Metllica v. Megadeth to the allocated thread.

I don't think Metallica sold out.
They have more damn money than they know what to do with....that's right, they're MILLIONARES....do you really think they did it for the money.

Maybe they just plain got tired of wrtiting the repettitve hair metal songs and wanted to try something new.

cournioni

senordingdong wrote:

They were justbeing nice, and doing him a huge favour by giving him credit onthier albums.

Just being nice?! Are you trolling or just being downright stupid? They used those songs for their benefit, not Mustaine's. Its more of a kick in the teeth while you're on the ground, than "being nice". :rolleyes:

senordingdong

PORNAPSTER wrote:

Just being nice?! Are you trolling or just being downright stupid? They used those songs for their benefit, not Mustaine's. Its more of a kick in the teeth while you're on the ground, than "being nice". :rolleyes:

...ok.....now read the start of the post....

cournioni

senordingdong wrote:

...ok.....now read the start of the post....

I have done so... And that just shows what great creative genious Metallica have, that they have to go around changing someone elses songs just enough so that someone won't sue them... :rolleyes:

Metallica are nothing without Mustaine and Burton.

The Bollox

Beekay wrote:

Everyone always says(including me) that when MetallicA made load and reload they sold out.
Selling out usually means when a band changes their music to appeal to a wider audience and sell MORE albums.
But load and reload have sold nowhere near as many albums as the previous five.
So did question i'm askin is did MetallicA sell out?

Metallica DID sell out, and it wasn't just the whole Load and Reload, they ran out of ideas, yeah, but to me selling out is where you care more about the money than the music (in this case) I mean the whole thing about sueing the ppl downloading off Napster, that was a HUGE mistake, not just because t makes Metallica look money-hungry, but it introduced me, and a ****load of other ppl to the fact that you don't have to buy cd's, that you can download for free, so all Metallica did there was tarnish their name and popularise
downloading

flangeman

I wonder why 'The Whores' sorry 'The Corrs' did the same thing (regarding downloading), or perhaps the tricky 4th album that didn't feature the same ****in melody needed some extra publicity (along the lines of how to get it for free...)

Doctor J

The term sellout cannot be applied to a band who happen to sell a ****load of albums doing their own thing. The One video, which seems to be a point of contention here, was successful because it's a ****ing great video and a ****ing great song. Sure it got airplay on MTV but back then MTV showed music and showed Metal videos every now and then. One is still, IMO, one of the greatest examples of combining audio and visual art. IIRC, it didn't win the MTV BEst Video award, Guns N Roses won for Welcome To The Jungle, go figure, but GnR basically said Metallica deserved the award from the podium. One wasn't a commercial step, even the edit is almost 5 minutes long.

With the fifth album, the band definitley did take a purposeful step towards commerciality by hiring Bob Rock, a man famous for crafting radio friendly music. The man had just produced smash hit albums for the Cult and Bon Jovi among others. The band were looking to update their sound and hired the biggest name in the business at the time. Is that selling out? The Black album doesn't really do anything for me, and nothing they've done since makes me feel anything other than despair. Their songs definitely veered in a more conventional, radio friendly, verse, big chorus direction and I find the lyrics from the Black album on to be cringeworthy. That Cunning Stunts live show is an embarrassment, totally choreographed to whoop up the jock audience, it's as scripted as WWE. Shameful really. Even the good songs sound horrible.

What I would bring to everyone's attentions is that they did try to hire a big name producer for AJFA, in the shape of Mike Clink (who went onto produce Megadeth's very uncommercial Rust In Peace) but it didn't work out, for whatever reason, and the band went with what they knew, Flemming Rasmussen.

Personally, yes I believe they definitely wanted to sound more mainstream, I don't for a second thing they expected to be as popular as they became. They put out four of the greatest Metal albums I've heard, then they went and made money. I don't begrudge them their success, even if I find it disappointing in the extreme.

irokie

whatever you can say about metallica and MTV... most bands begged MTV to play their videos, MTV begged metallica to make a video. MTV ask metallica to play some single at an awards show? Metallica play So What. (i LOVE that story). they still have the fook you power, but they forget it some times.

and people who say that garage inc was just a "money maker"? that was them kicking back and having some fun. they recorded it in 6 weeks, which is NOTHING compared to the more-than-a-year it took for load, reload and black...

cournioni

irokie wrote:

whatever you can say about metallica and MTV... most bands begged MTV to play their videos, MTV begged metallica to make a video. MTV ask metallica to play some single at an awards show? Metallica play So What. (i LOVE that story). they still have the fook you power, but they forget it some times.

and people who say that garage inc was just a "money maker"? that was them kicking back and having some fun. they recorded it in 6 weeks, which is NOTHING compared to the more-than-a-year it took for load, reload and black...

Firstly, I'd doubt if MTV ever begged anyone to make a video. If they did they would have given it video of the year. Secondly, Metallica have only been asked to play at awards shows since they became more mainstream after the Black album. Which is the point most people are trying to make about Metallica selling out.

Garage Inc was a money maker, they made money on it didn't they? If they just wanted to mess around and have fun while rehearsing then fine. They didn't have to release it to have fun you know? You say they recorded it in 6 weeks, that is exactly the reason why they released it. They didn't have to write songs so it was a quick buck for them. It isn't hard to learn a few covers and then nail them in a couple of weeks you know? Especially if you are a full time band.

senordingdong

PORNAPSTER wrote:

Metallica are nothing without Mustaine and Burton.

You're right....they're nothing.

Thos 10million records must have just dissapeared.

I assume that you're aware that from what you typed you are agreeing that they did not use any of Mustaines material.

Anyway...this is irrelevant here.

Beekay

I hate the whole as i like to call the " So ****ing What " image they've had since load.

cournioni

senordingdong wrote:

You're right....they're nothing.

Thos 10million records must have just dissapeared.

I assume that you're aware that from what you typed you are agreeing that they did not use any of Mustaines material.

Anyway...this is irrelevant here.

Those 10 million records were sold on Metallica's reputation, not their music. Are you saying that without Kill Em All, Ride The Lightning etc. Metallica would be around today? Are you saying that Metallica would have sold so many copies of Load and Reload without those albume? Without Mustaine and Burton, Metallica would have been nothing.

They did use Mustaine's material it is that simple. Don't be so gullible to think that Metallica are saints here, because the fact is that Mustaine did write all of those songs that I've listed. Without those songs Kill Em All would never have been released and Metallica probably wouldn't be as rich as they are today.

galactus

Hi, first post in this forum but a long time into metal.

I haven't bought anything from Metallica since Reloaded. And what a pile of crap that was. And a rip-off.

Master Of Puppets, And Justice For All and the Black album are CLASSICS.Then nothing but bull****. They've taken the biggest nose-dive of all time. Sad But True.

Last year I was looking to replace my copy of And Justice For All after someone stood on it. I made a point of going down the pirate road after the whole Napster thing and well, they had it and lost it.

There's a lot more i'd like to post on this but i'd be just ranting :mad:

Gothic Warrior

flangeman wrote:

I wonder why 'The Whores' sorry 'The Corrs' did the same thing...

Just use the edit button if you accidentally type a mistake. Either way it's still a lame joke...

senordingdong

PORNAPSTER wrote:

Those 10 million records were sold on Metallica's reputation, not their music. Are you saying that without Kill Em All, Ride The Lightning etc. Metallica would be around today? Are you saying that Metallica would have sold so many copies of Load and Reload without those albume? Without Mustaine and Burton, Metallica would have been nothing.

They did use Mustaine's material it is that simple. Don't be so gullible to think that Metallica are saints here, because the fact is that Mustaine did write all of those songs that I've listed. Without those songs Kill Em All would never have been released and Metallica probably wouldn't be as rich as they are today.

Sorry, that was a typo, Metallica have actually sold 85million records.
Ofcourse alot of them were sold on reputation, the reputation that they are good albums witten by good song writers.
Yes Metallica would have done just fine. Funny how their best albums and material don;t have Mustaines name anywhere on them...yet you said they would be nowhere without him.

Don't you be so gullible to think that Dave Mustaine is a saint...you're accusing Metllica of beign sellouts...though as I recall it was Dave Mustaine who bidded all he had, ($15million) on the Jackson guit co. only to be outbided by Fender. Sure he's not a sellout.