As Standard

KdjaCL

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=57962

As a point , as each new console comes out some things get made standard others become peripherals.

N64 4 gamepad ports
N64 analog
PS1 memory card
N64 rumble pad
Ps2 DVD playback
Xbox hard drive saves
Xbox patches
Gamecube wireless pads
etc:

What do you hope for in the next gen conosle?

I want all of the above and 2 bloody controllers in the box from day one. So annoying being left poor and buying a ****ty pad for player 2.


kdjac

abccormac

I'd rather see console games released bug free than patches becoming standard myself.

Retr0gamer

bongo controllers as standard

Chalk

KdjaC wrote:

4 gamepad ports

my ps2 only came with 2

on topic//
i assume these wireless controllers are gonna have some sort of docking station like cordless phones?
i cant imgine everyone rushing out to buy batteries every few days

KdjaCL

There are good patches like this and there are bad patches like this regardless of type they still either 1. fix somfin like in PES4 that players not Konami ****ed up or 2 add extra stuff like Gaiden.

If you had Driv3r and got a patch that made it great , would you feel better about your purchase?

Tbh expect patches to come for all next gen consoles in some or other and theres the modding side of it which is also nice.

kdjac

Chalk

do you reckon consoles are gonna have install files? - mandatory saves or something

i know games like pes automatically save a config file,
but if they wanted to update players, rotate billboards, surely theyd need a designated bit of info to alter,
could this lead to gta:pc style mods or even entire roster updates ala pes3 on ps2? [modded ps2 only]

KdjaCL

Chalk wrote:

my ps2 only came with 2

on topic//
i assume these wireless controllers are gonna have some sort of docking station like cordless phones?
i cant imgine everyone rushing out to buy batteries every few days

hence the N64 before it, wireless pads are simply superb , i would recommend buying some rechargeable batteries , wave birds dont have docking stations but my PC ones do , so dunno what MSFT going for.


You can download new option files for PES4 on xbox afaik now.

kdjac

abccormac

If you had Driv3r and got a patch that made it great , would you feel better about your purchase?

Of course I would, but console games shouldn't need patches. The game is always going to be played on the same hardware, unlike PC games, so IMHO there is no excuse for releasing a console game in as buggy a state as something like driv3r. I would hate to see consoles go down a route where games are released unfinished wih publishers thinking "we'll save a few bob on testing, and patch it later". As for extra content, like with Ninja Gaiden, it would be nice to see more of it.

KdjaCL

Why associate patches with buggy games? patches can be for more than bugs content, streamlining, new code to run a game faster etc:


PES 4 wasnt buggy but users found a way to circumvent the online scoring system, people are like that , they will cheat and will find a way to cheat.

Patches keeps things in order.

kdjac

abccormac

There are rumours that xbox 2 won't have a hard drive, I think that would be a real backward step, it's so much handier than having to fork out more money on memory cards, and it opens up all sorts of possibilities that haven't really been explored yet, I would love to be able to buy a console that functions as a media centre pc for example, without having to get it chipped. I don't like the way memory cards were implemented on ps2, using patented technology so no more cheap 3rd party alternatives.

Ciaran500

The big reason for Sony using "magic gate" on there memory cards was to stop cheating online. If it was simple to make memory card readers/writers people could just download someone savegame and have all weapons/cars/higher levels etc.

abccormac

Why associate patches with buggy games

?
I've been playing KOTOR2. I just think publishers will use easy "patchability" as a way to release utested/unfinished games to meet deadlines. I can see the benefits of it aswell, I just think console games could go the way of PC games, where the first thing I do after installing a new game is look for the patch. It's understandable with PC games where everybody has a different hardware setup, but I don't trust games companies to resist the temptation to get something out for christmas or whatever, rather than wait until it's fully finished. The other way to look at it is that we would get loads of nice mods, enhancements, etc. for console games and that would be great, and I hope it happens.

abccormac

The big reason for Sony using "magic gate" on there memory cards was to stop cheating online.

I think the major reason for it was so that they could make a whole pile of money by forcing people to buy sony memory cards, and stop 3rd parties making cheaper higher capacity cards, like on the ps1. Can you not copy savegames from one card to another on the ps2? Mines busted so I can't check and I don't remember off the top of my head if you could or not.

Makaveli

Yeah, you can transfer files from one memory card to another.

dearg_doom

wireless pads were confirmed for XBox2 earlier today!

class - but no word on how they'll be powered.

EDIT: speelling

Retr0gamer

abccormac wrote:

There are rumours that xbox 2 won't have a hard drive.

I think it was confirmed by microsoft that it won'tm have a hard drive.

The big reason for Sony using "magic gate" on there memory cards was to stop cheating online.

Yeah right.

jesus_thats_gre

Retr0gamer wrote:

I think it was confirmed by microsoft that it won'tm have a hard drive.

No it wasn't..

Cake Fiend

KdjaC wrote:

and 2 bloody controllers in the box from day one.

The NES came with 2 controllers. Them were the days.

Last I heard about the Xbox2 was that there would be a range of consoles, including both a hard-drive model and a HDless model, giving people the choice whether to shell out extra for the HD or not.

Rew

I herad there would be 3 models, basic console, media consle, PC Console

po0k

Ciaran500 wrote:

The big reason for Sony using "magic gate" on there memory cards was to stop cheating online. If it was simple to make memory card readers/writers people could just download someone savegame and have all weapons/cars/higher levels etc.

....as opposed to just knocking over to your mate's house, slapping two cards in and copying the blocks across?

d22ontour

They have to have wavebirds,i mean wireless pads as standard

Dooom

One of those Smart GameFRAG things. Had a go at a mates house with one, and they're so damn nice. Mine's on it's way - playing Halo 2 with it is so much better. Bit off iffyness with them regarding some games and configs but all consoles should ship with them.

Gummy Panda

Spike wrote:

One of those Smart GameFRAG things. Had a go at a mates house with one, and they're so damn nice. Mine's on it's way - playing Halo 2 with it is so much better. Bit off iffyness with them regarding some games and configs but all consoles should ship with them.

what is it and do you have a link?

Ciaran500

http://www.lik-sang.com/info.php?category=53&products_id=5438&

Syth

SyxPak wrote:

....as opposed to just knocking over to your mate's house, slapping two cards in and copying the blocks across?

Big difference between the two. In one you have the internet. With the internet things get global. Think of copying music. It's been possible for years and years to copy cassettes (or even CDs) for a friend. But when lots of people started making music available on the internet, it became a whole other issue.

abccormac

You can buy adapters to connect a ps2 memory card to your pc. Link

po0k

Syth wrote:

Big difference between the two. In one you have the internet. With the internet things get global. Think of copying music. It's been possible for years and years to copy cassettes (or even CDs) for a friend. But when lots of people started making music available on the internet, it became a whole other issue.

And how is trading your own savegames with others on the net illegal?
It's a different medium to airmailing your mem card to your friend in Hong Kong, but in principle it's no different.
Sony just wanted to have a monopoly on producing the cards so they could sell them at their usual outrageous prices.
8Meg (64Mbit) of flash storage costs bugger-all to make, and didn't exactly cost a wole lot when the PS2 was first released.