casein protein vs whey based proteins

cousin_borat

Hi all,

I was wondering what peoples opinions were in whether Casein protein is superior to Whey based as a supplement when doing weight training?

Bottle_of_Smoke

i read about a test they did on american cops, giving some casein some whey, supposedly the casein ones did around 60% better for muscle gain

RonanC

cousin_borat wrote:

Hi all,

I was wondering what peoples opinions were in whether Casein protein is superior to Whey based as a supplement when doing weight training?

Basically whey is faster digesting than casein, so take whey post workout.

If you want to take casein, night-time would be optimal in order to prevent catabolism while you sleep, but you could save money by eating cottage cheese instead.

This thread went into detail on the different types of protein supplements.

cousin_borat

Cheers lads,

just read that thread RonanC, that was quite a debate with mr Guvnor, very interesting

Easygainer

OK half of the arguments in that thread were clueless to the truth. Protein is not protein. I'll post a quick summary here of what proteins are etc and which are "best":

Proteins can come from either primary or secondary sources. We are only concerned with primary sources so that means the likes of: Milk, eggs, fish, poultry, red meat, whey protein etc

Proteins are assigned a biological value based on how well the body absorbs them - the higher the value, the less protein needed for an equivalet effect and, generally, the faster it is absorbed. To explain quickly, before whey, eggs had the best known absorption and were therefore assigned a value of 100...

Whey protein isolate up to 157
Whey protein concentrate 104
Eggs (whole) 100 (91 if just egg white)
Milk protein (80:20 casein:whey) 91
Meat Proteins up to 80
Soy 70 or so

Clearly whey is the king but does that mean take whey only? Before bed time would be an ideal time for casein protein, but rather than buy a whey protein and a casein protein powder, simply mix your whey protein with milk. If you are lactose intolerant or don't want milk for some reason, alpro soya milk is nearly as good...

Whole foods are needed by the body, so that's meat and eggs in there too. Basically structure your diet so you have whey with breakfast (to break the starvation of nighttime) and after a workout and the others based on food preference etc.

here's a great link about different proteins: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catprot.htm

jman0

I had the opportunity to try out some Tony Quinn protein powder..
The results weren't very encouraging.
Since i didn't have a blender i had to mix it by hand.
Basically i put 3 scoops into a pint class then mostly filled the glass with Soya milk. I don't know if this power doesn't like soya but it was very globby. In fact the more i mixed it the more globbs appeared. It was looking like i'd need a spoon and eat rather than drink this stuff. It didn't taste particularly bad or anything but just the thought and texture of these globs of mushy stuff grossed me out. In the end i used a strainer to separate the liquid from the globs, salvaged about 1/3 pint of it.

I wonder is there a problem mixing this stuff with Soya milk? (like when you pour soya into hot coffee). Or is an electric mixer required.

Easygainer

jman0 wrote:

I had the opportunity to try out some Tony Quinn protein powder..
The results weren't very encouraging.
Since i didn't have a blender i had to mix it by hand.
Basically i put 3 scoops into a pint class then mostly filled the glass with Soya milk. I don't know if this power doesn't like soya but it was very globby. In fact the more i mixed it the more globbs appeared. It was looking like i'd need a spoon and eat rather than drink this stuff. It didn't taste particularly bad or anything but just the thought and texture of these globs of mushy stuff grossed me out. In the end i used a strainer to separate the liquid from the globs, salvaged about 1/3 pint of it.

I wonder is there a problem mixing this stuff with Soya milk? (like when you pour soya into hot coffee). Or is an electric mixer required.

I've mixed whey with alpro soya milk and no problems so I'm thinking it's the TQ products being crap.

mrbungle

You could use a shaker that has a mesh bit inside it.
I got 1 for €4.50 in a little health ship on grafton street on Saturday.
Perfect for the job to break up those little globs.
Last I saw they were selling them for nigh on 10 quid in Workout World(name?) on Bachelors Walk.

jman0 wrote:

I had the opportunity to try out some Tony Quinn protein powder..
The results weren't very encouraging.
Since i didn't have a blender i had to mix it by hand.
Basically i put 3 scoops into a pint class then mostly filled the glass with Soya milk. I don't know if this power doesn't like soya but it was very globby. In fact the more i mixed it the more globbs appeared. It was looking like i'd need a spoon and eat rather than drink this stuff. It didn't taste particularly bad or anything but just the thought and texture of these globs of mushy stuff grossed me out. In the end i used a strainer to separate the liquid from the globs, salvaged about 1/3 pint of it.

I wonder is there a problem mixing this stuff with Soya milk? (like when you pour soya into hot coffee). Or is an electric mixer required.

jman0

Thanks but i figured it out.
The powder just doesn't like getting mixed in Soya directly, at least Kelkin brand Soya.
I could mix it in a little water just grand, then added Soya milk and it worked.

kasintahan

jman0 wrote:

Thanks but i figured it out.
The powder just doesn't like getting mixed in Soya directly, at least Kelkin brand Soya.
I could mix it in a little water just grand, then added Soya milk and it worked.

I found cold milk (cows) works better than warm/room temp.
I presume soya milk is similar.

I use a fork to mix and them grimace as I empty the glass.