Practical Martial Arts

Roper

Just had a cruise around the Practical Martial Arts site. Since you're opening a new club down in the rebel county Paul, I thought I'd take this opportunity to ask a few questions and also give you the chance for some shameless self promotion! (You're entitled to it, I checked the rules!!)

From the PMA site: "Practical Martial Arts™ is both a site and an Association dedicated to martial arts and martial techniques that can be practically applied on the street and on the mat"

Just wondering if this is more or less the same ethos that the SBG guys would preach here. The intent sounds more or less the same but in a TMA type format.
Not too sure if you share the opinions of the site or not, but there's an emphasis on finding SD moves in patterns too, no?

Just wondering what the story is. Not attacking or anything!!

pma-ire

Thanks for the opening into this shamless discussion on the PMA

Let me try to go through this...

From the PMA site: "Practical Martial Arts™ is both a site and an Association dedicated to martial arts and martial techniques that can be practically applied on the street and on the mat"

Just wondering if this is more or less the same ethos that the SBG guys would preach here. The intent sounds more or less the same but in a TMA type format.

Yes it does look like SBG methods. And is still a TMA association.

I have been made the National Director of the PMA in Ireland. So that I can speak for and promote the group here.

The PMA is made up of PTKD, PKarate, PKempo, PJu Jitsu and PJKD.

All are agreed with the following...

1. "Practical Martial Arts™ is...dedicated to martial arts and martial techniques that can be practically applied on the street and on the mat"
This means that all techniques that are applied to reality and not taken at face value. How this is pressure tested may slightly differ from group to group.

2. That "there's an emphasis on finding SD moves in patterns too, no?".
Yes PTKD, PK and PKem all agree with this. The other styles don't have Kata. The technical director of the PMA is Prof. Rick Clark (I'll put his site address on my sig ) and this has been his life work. So it was a logical teaming up for the PMA and Rick's ADK.

In the case of PTKD (which I can speak for) we have looked at the Chang Hun (ITF) tuls and researched the origin of those forms. Which will lead you back to Okinawan Kata which is rife with more than the basic striking that is normally taught in TKD and Japanese Karate.

3. That cross-training is a must for any MA'ist that really wants to understand the parts of their base art that need to be re-affirmed eg. Stand-up arts need grap and ground work and ground arts need stand-up.

The other contentious issue that we deal with is "Pressure Points". We deal with this as a hitting in this area will result in an opening here and so on. If you don't get the pain point, the delivery system (TKD or whatever) should have you covered. So you don't have to rely on the effect. But if you get it then excellent .

The TCM terms are used as an easy reference to these points for ease of discussion. A lot of PP's MA'ist are leaning towards the "Remote Knock-out". But we don't subscribe to this, and are looking for the Pain Point as opposed to the knock-out touches.

Other than that I will post a part of a discussion on the internal PMA-PTKD forum where we have outlined what PTKD is

pma-ire

Written By Matthew Sylvester, Founder member of the PMA and PTKD.

Defining PTKD.

What is Practical Tae Kwon Do?

There are two ways at looking at this.

1. PTKD is an attempt to return to the roots of TKD and study the martial aspects of the style (not art) that have been lost due to various levels of ignorance, deliberate choice and the rise of the sporting aspect.

2. PTKD is an eclectic art that takes elements of other arts and incorporates them into this style. Effectively JKD.

In my opinion PTKD is option 1.


What ISN'T/DOESN'T Practical Tae Kwon Do/do?

It isn't sport. Do we spar? Yes. Do we spar for points or competion? No.

It isn't a 'traditional' martial art in that we are open enough to admit we don't know everything and that there is a lot within TKD we still don't fully understand.

It isn't meant to be or designed to be an ultimate martial art. It is one interpretataion as to how TKD could/should be.

We DON'T rely on pressure points to solve the problem and emphasise that a good and powerful delivery system is key to removing the opponent.

We DON'T currently teach children and would only teach the existing 'Traditional' style to them until they reach 16 when they can then participate in the adult classes.

Why and how do we spar?

We spar because it helps apply the techniques and moves taught in class against a completely non-compliant partner. We don't spar to 'win' but to learn. If you get a tapout it's not a 'win' merely an indicator as to how well you are progressing in your training.

We spar using just our hands.
We spar using just our feet.
We spar using jost our feet and hands.
We spar using just grappling.
We spar using every tool in our arsenal.
We spar aiming to get specific techniques from within the patterns.

We don't do 3 or 2 step 'sparring'. Our techniques are based on one step attacks utilising haymakers, front kicks, grabs to hand, shoulder and chest, from the front, side and back.

What else do you do?

We utilise the movements in our patterns to sweep, reap, and perform throws.
We practice breakfalling.
We try to utilise pressure points in every technique that we do.
We emphasise that a good and powerful delivery system is key to removing the opponent.
We swear in training as kihaps.
We let our students know and apreciate what it feels like to be hit.
We emphasise that these techniques are ideals only and that they're going to be hurt.
We encourage our students to look outside of the box and to train in other styles.

Anyone joining from another TKD system will be allowed to wear their current belt colour. They will then be expected to learn the techniques up to their belt level before they can progress.

Whilst training through the syllabus they will be able to 'double grade' and will wear the colour of the belt they have achieved within PTKD on the tip of their belt.


Degree Gradings

These are awarded by association Instructors approved by Practical Martial Arts. Examiners from other reputable associations will be honoured, subject to approval. The formula is a minimum of three years to First Degree, then two more years to Second Degree, then three more years to Third Degree, four more to Fourth Degree etc. Note that these are the minimum times.

Upon reaching Level One (First Degree) students may also choose to grade in Aodenkou Jutsu in addition to their Practical Karate grades.

Exeter PMA has been recognised as an official ADK school as well so our students are grading in ADJ already

Cadet Degrees

Persons under the age of 16 years are cadets. The “C” or Cadet must prefix the Degree grade on any certificate. They must revert to senior Level grade (Level Two) before their 16th birthday and take a senior Degree grade on or after their 16th birthday. On recommendation the senior grade may then be awarded.

Because the syllabus of the children is so different to that of the Adults, I'm copying the Kemporyu idea where Cadets grade through the adult syllabus, putting coloured tabs on their belt to indicate how far through they are.

Third Degree Black Belt
This grade may be awarded after a minimum of three years at Second Degree Grade. It is based upon recommendation from the Association and is only awarded following a period of assessment and reporting by approved PMA Instructors (see Degree). Once the assessment has been completed, the grade will be awarded by approval from the PMA Executive Committee only. The following is a recommended list that shall be used when an assessment is carried out:

Basics demonstration/application/explanantion
Techniques demonstration/application/explanation
Pattern demonstration/application/explanation
Teaching ability (all grades)
Formal grading of Junior grades
Terminology
Theory
History
Dissertation

Note: All awards of Third Degree and above are subject to the approval of the PMA Executive Committee only.

Fourth Degree Black Belt
A minimum of four years from the Third Degree Grade. This does not normally require a formal grading. It is based on the furtherance of Karate and an assessment of the students’ physical and mental attitude. Different styles may have their own recommendations for Fourth Degree Grade and above which should be approved by the PMA Executive Committee.

Fifth Degree Black Belt
A minimum of five years from the Fourth Degree Award. Subject to recommendation and approval by the PMA Executive Committee and work carried out in the furtherment of the Martial Arts.

I hope that gives people an idea where we are coming from. I'm sure the flood gate will now open...

I'll answer all questions

mark.leonard

I have argued with you , Matt and the other PMA guys ad nauseum on your own discussion board re my reservations about your training ideology, so I will not re-iterate them again here.........I'm sure someone else will though ;-)

pma-ire

:takes deep breath:

:gets into fighting stance (sitting in front of my iBook hands on Refresh button):

I'm sure they will

But you were a great sparring partner on the PMA forum

mark.leonard

Okay I will just post one highlight from the PMA board....
I advertised the mma league website (http://www.MMALeague.com for those of you that don't know it) and the PMA guys had a go at it here is one post from it -

From MMA League Rules wrote:

ILLEGAL TECHNIQUES:

No hair-pulling, biting, eye gouging, head-butting, ear pulling or fish-hooking.
No elbow strikes permitted.
No manipulation of small joints (fingers, toes).
No striking directly to joints.
No holding of gloves or other safety equipment.

No heel-hooking or any other technique that places a twisting motion on the ankle or knee joint.
No standing submission attempts
No pulling of clothing permitted except to opponent's belt, or to opponents wearing GI's.
No striking directly to spine.
No neck cranking attacks such as Can-opener, Crucifix etc.
No groin strikes permitted.
Striking not permitted for fighters at different levels (e.g., one grounded, one standing).
Directly attacking the nose is not permitted.

Any technique which results in, or is liable to result in, your opponent being spiked (dropped directly on to his/her head).
Throat strikes of any kind, including without limitation, grabbing the trachea or clavicle.
Clawing, pinching or twisting the flesh.
Kicking to the kidney with the heel.
Throwing the competitor out of the fighting area.

Interesting! Everything I teach.. Oh well must be missing the fun element here.
_________________
Adam J. Merton
Founder Member
Practical Martial Arts UK National Director
Founder & Director of Practical Kempo

Roper

Utterly shameless self promotion Paul, utterly shameless.

You seem to have a fairly open mided approach to the martial arts.

I do however, have a question regarding patterns applications.
In my experience, searching for something within an art (eg. grappling or throws, they seem to be the most common) or something that was hidden within a pattern application, always ends up by giving you a poor substitute for something else. The idea seems to be "well look, you don't need to go elsewhere to do this as it was here all the time".

My question is this: Is the discovery of these hidden or forgotten techniques retrospective in nature, or would the inquiry be stimulated by an unknown move within a pattern?
What I mean by this is do you guys see a throw from say, Judo, apply it, and then go looking through patterns for it. Or do you find a move from the patterns which isn't fully understood, and then go see what it was intended to be?

pma-ire

Thats Adams and Johns view. As they use those techs in their styles as they train as real a possible.

As would I and Matt. I don't think that they were attacking the concept of the comp. More the words in your intro sentence

The perfect place to test if what you are doing works in a safe controlled environment

It would not be a test for them as they have a different view of this.

Roper

Just wondering if this is more or less the same ethos that the SBG guys would preach here. The intent sounds more or less the same but in a TMA type format.

I said that above, but on further study, it seems that was an incorrect assumption. From my research (misnomer there!!!) SBG is based on the sporting format whereas PMA seems to be the opposite of that.

Tim_Murphy

I do however, have a question regarding patterns applications.
In my experience, searching for something within an art (eg. grappling or throws, they seem to be the most common) or something that was hidden within a pattern application, always ends up by giving you a poor substitute for something else. The idea seems to be "well look, you don't need to go elsewhere to do this as it was here all the time".

Exactly!! You also have to wonder why these applications are 'hidden' and why when 99% of tkd masters do seminars on patterns they spend their time showing how they should be done and not on applications. At best they will briefly mention what a application might be. Patterns are patterns, why try to make them something they are not?

Paul, if you want to be 'practical' about martial arts then taking patterns and trad stuff as a starting point is a bit of a waste of time. The more you go down the road of making everything practical the more you will realise that doing patterns are a waste of time. I'm not saying that pattern training is a waste of time in general, but if you're main aim is developing practical fighting skills then they are.

pma-ire

Ok !

Again this is a comment I have seen and heard for years.

The approach to the applications in the forms are done from both a historic view (to the original Okinawan forms that created this kind of training), and a forward view in that we look at a movement in a form to mean more than just the block or kick or strike that was given to us all as fact.

The Okinawan forms were a real way to train the student on their own, and were copied by Japanese Karate, who were then copied by untrusted outsiders who were not given the full picture.

If you take the forms as they have been presented in the norm. Then they will seem to be useless and I agree with that (especially TKD forms). Forms are the reflection of the style. If you look at the ITF TKD forms they are not (very little kicks !!). So the thinking has to be changed to reflect this.

Students are taught the fundementals of fighting, and the forms used as a reference. For example Rick Clark has 75 versions of a down block? The motion of the block becomes a way for the student to remember the motion of many different techniques.

It's basically a bit of TMA history and a bit of modern thinking.

Tim_Murphy

...and a forward view in that we look at a movement in a form to mean more than just the block or kick or strike that was given to us all as fact..

Then the aim of your training will be to seek out realistic techniques from forms as opposed to simply wanting to improve your performance.

The Okinawan forms were a real way to train the student on their own

OK, but forms are still a poor way of training, unless of course you had noone else to train with.

The motion of the block becomes a way for the student to remember the motion of many different techniques.

You'll only really 'remember' a technique if you do it over and over against an opponent. I don't think a person doing a technique in a form and thinking to themselves that 'this technique can be used for A & B & C' will be very beneficial to them.

pma-ire

Good points Tim

Tim_Murphy wrote:

Then the aim of your training will be to seek out realistic techniques from forms as opposed to simply wanting to improve your performance.

Our training with the tuls is like this. But we will still spar with eachother. All training is done with partners. You don't just work out a part of a form and leave it at that. It has to be tested and adapted to your ability. If you connot get it to work under attack then it don't stay.

Tim_Murphy wrote:

OK, but forms are still a poor way of training, unless of course you had noone else to train with.

Exactly They are a way to remember things when your on your own. I never said that changed. Just the range of what is being remembered

Tim_Murphy wrote:

You'll only really 'remember' a technique if you do it over and over against an opponent. I don't think a person doing a technique in a form and thinking to themselves that 'this technique can be used for A & B & C' will be very beneficial to them.

I mentioned the answer to this above. But yes drilling and getting to grips with an attack is the only way of muscles will develop memory. That is when any technique becomes useful as the body can plan the path without you telling it to.

I totally agree with what you said here

Colm_OReilly

The whole square peg in a round hole idea springs to mind as I read this thread. When I get the time I'll try and go through the site and the forum so I can get a better picture.

Colm

mark.leonard

IMHO your first impression is correct, I have been debating with some of the PMA top guys and I am still convinced this is the case

pma-ire

Your intitled to your HO's lads.

I just happen to agree with the PMA thinking and have always admired Rick Clark. So this is where I want to be. I'm not really looking for converts and am just open to all...

mattsylvester

Hi all,

Matt Sylvester here, I'm the founder of PMA.

Roper wrote:

From the PMA site: "Practical Martial Arts™ is both a site and an Association dedicated to martial arts and martial techniques that can be practically applied on the street and on the mat"

This does also apply to sport. For example, if you're teaching sport techniques that actually work and can be pressure tested on the mat then this is deemed 'practical'. The whole point of PMA is that anyone can join, just that you have to be able to draw the line between street and mat and know that your sport TKD jump spinning 360 kick isn't practical for most (if not all people) and that you better have pressure tested it if you think it is.

Within the PTKD syllabus we do a number of things. We cross-train, I do BJJ, Thai, JKD, Eskrima, Karate, Ninjutsu, Sambo and 3 forms of Kempo when I have the time (not often as I would like). I've also done a bit of amateur boxing (not competitive though).

Now, when you're training in these styles you'll just see something and think 'Do San' (this is a pattern) application! It just hits you. I've just written an article for the new Fighters magazine titled 'Can TMA help MMA' and have shown an example of how walking stance IS applied in BJJ/Sambo/MMA, just lying down. It's all a matter of looking outside the box. I personally don't find a technique that I don't understand and then hunt down the application, I just pick up what I learn and apply it back to the patterns we use. Currently it's working well for me.

Going to Paul's statement on Mark's post about us all having a go, it was purely down to the fact that yes, the statement came across (intended or not) as a be all and end all statement as to how to test your style. It isn't because in PKempo, PKar and PTKD we DO practise all the banned moves so to go in to the ring and to NOT be able to do all that would seriously hamper us and prevent us from performing at our best. I bit my student recently in training after the cheeky sod kneed me in the top of the head a couple of times and we both go for the eyes. We just know that as soon as the fingers are touching our eyelids that it's best to tap and start again, or to look at how we failed to stop them and work a way around that.

We have introduced and shed techniques at a rate of knots recently and had a blast testing everything

The one problem that I'm currently facing is trying to get rid of 10 years worth of sporty head kicks. Just something that I have to work on. Ray has no problem with kicking me in the balls though as I never really introduced him to sport sparring.

So whilst patterns form a core part of the training, the actual sets that are drawn from them are ideals that have been pressure tested as much as possible but which aren't designed to limit people in how they fight. They are more designed to show them what they can 'find' etc. With TKD the techniques aren't hidden, Choi Hong Hi cobbled them together with no understanding of any practical use other than to look good and get the basics and balance etc right. This is borne out in an interview with a 9th Dan in this month's Combat.

Anyway, sorry about the ramble I just thought I put some of my thoughts onto this.

Tim_Murphy

'Can TMA help MMA' and have shown an example of how walking stance IS applied in BJJ/Sambo/MMA, just lying down

How does noticing a random similarity between a traditional stance and leg positioning on the ground 'help MMA'?

mattsylvester

Sorry, I think I buggered up on the title but I'll answer your question anyway

It depends on your outlook doesn't it? If you're looking for other ways to apply stuff then great. If not great.

Just like my training in the non-traditional stuff has really benefitted my traditional stuff. I'm into looking for that as it's what interests me. Many TMA couldn't give a stuff about looking further than 'this blocks this' and wouldn't even know what MMA meant!

It's like the argument as to why you chamber the fist in TMA. It leaves your guard open and you look a spaz so why do it?

Because if you're grappling it's great for trapping the arm, it's great for pulling people onto another technique if you're standing up etc. The grappling part would never had occurred to me had I not stepped out of the dojang and into the gym. Cross-training rocks.

Tim_Murphy wrote:

How does noticing a random similarity between a traditional stance and leg positioning on the ground 'help MMA'?

Tim_Murphy

If you're looking for other ways to apply stuff then great. If not great.

Again, as I said to Paul, if you goal of the training is to find similiarities between real useful techniques, and moves out of forms, then thats cool. It still doesn't make training in forms any more useful really than training in them without worrying about applications.

It's like the argument as to why you chamber the fist in TMA. It leaves your guard open and you look a spaz so why do it?

Because if you're grappling it's great for trapping the arm, it's great for pulling people onto another technique if you're standing up etc

Same thing applies, sure there's a similarity but doing TMA punches all day still wont help your grappling.

mark.leonard

I found over on the practical martial arts board that I was in a constant Street vs Sport debate with them, and I don't think I ever got the pint across. Matt is coming to Cork at some stage this year (correct me if I am wrong) and I am going to make a point of getting down and doing some training with him and Paul just so they can see what I am talking about.

Matt - I think you avoided Tim's question to be honest, "How does noticing a random similarity between a traditional stance and leg positioning on the ground 'help MMA'?"

mattsylvester

Sorry, I'm trying hard but I really can't find where I said that they would. Could you quote the part that I do please so I can expand on what I might have meant? Thanks.

Tim_Murphy wrote:

Same thing applies, sure there's a similarity but doing TMA punches all day still wont help your grappling.

mark.leonard

When you said - "I've just written an article for the new Fighters magazine titled 'Can TMA help MMA' and have shown an example of how walking stance IS applied in BJJ/Sambo/MMA, just lying down. "
The title of the article sets the tone for the sentence, but as you apologised for maybe making a mess of titling it I could change the question to -
How is walking stance applied in ground fighting arts lying down?

Another question, Do you think that learning a walking stance in a pattern/kata is going to help your ground game?

mattsylvester

Hi Mark,

When I'm home I'll stick the piccies on for a good lambasting.

And no, maybe not but in a TMA it will help you see how something stood up can be applied in another way. Also there may well be a choke applied lying down that a BJJ guy (for example) could see applied by a TMA guy standing up that would help his game.

mark.leonard wrote:

When you said - "I've just written an article for the new Fighters magazine titled 'Can TMA help MMA' and have shown an example of how walking stance IS applied in BJJ/Sambo/MMA, just lying down. "
The title of the article sets the tone for the sentence, but as you apologised for maybe making a mess of titling it I could change the question to -
How is walking stance applied in ground fighting arts lying down?

Another question, Do you think that learning a walking stance in a pattern/kata is going to help your ground game?

Tim_Murphy

mattsylvester wrote:

Sorry, I'm trying hard but I really can't find where I said that they would. Could you quote the part that I do please so I can expand on what I might have meant? Thanks.

When you said:

It's like the argument as to why you chamber the fist in TMA...
Because if you're grappling it's great for trapping the arm

Seems to me at least you are implying that doing a punch in the traditional way is because it is useful in grappling.

mattsylvester

I wouldn't say that's random but that's another thread.

Like I said, if you want to look at other stuff and incorporate it great. If for example you see the example below then it'll help you see other examples and so on. For some people seeing the technique applied standing could well give them an idea as to how to apply a similar technique on their opponent whilst they are standing.

It all depends whether you're completely close-minded as to whether TMA can help MMA and vice-versa and whether you're even interested in that sort of research anyway.

mark.leonard wrote:

Matt - I think you avoided Tim's question to be honest, "How does noticing a random similarity between a traditional stance and leg positioning on the ground 'help MMA'?"

Tim_Murphy

And no, maybe not but in a TMA it will help you see how something stood up can be applied in another way.

We still talking about a Walking Stance here? Having your feet in a similar position to a W.S. when your grappling is not 'applying' it. It's a coincidence, that's all.

mattsylvester

Sorry, grappling in the way you do TMA punching helps TMA. Is that better?

Tim_Murphy wrote:

When you said:

Seems to me at least you are implying that doing a punch in the traditional way is because it is useful in grappling.

mark.leonard

Its clearer to say it that way yes.
As to the truth in it - I would say that Trad punching motion used by trad guys as a ground game, will just get them submitted or damaged even quicker than before, when they knew they didn't have any ground.

mattsylvester

Yes it was and yes the point did get confused because of statements like "Okay, I have done it again, I was talking about an MMA setting. You can't answer a hypothetical "street" question with a positive. I don't know what I'd do whatever I deemed most appropriate to the situation, employing my knowledge of the appropriate delivery system(s)." where you talked about going to the ground as preferable in a street fight.

As I've said before, there's no problem with sport within PMA, it's when sport crosses over to the street and people advocate going to the ground during a bar/street fight/roschambo match that you'll get problems.

mark.leonard wrote:

I found over on the practical martial arts board that I was in a constant Street vs Sport debate with them, and I don't think I ever got the pint across. Matt is coming to Cork at some stage this year (correct me if I am wrong) and I am going to make a point of getting down and doing some training with him and Paul just so they can see what I am talking about.

Matt - I think you avoided Tim's question to be honest, "How does noticing a random similarity between a traditional stance and leg positioning on the ground 'help MMA'?"

mattsylvester

Heh, can't wait until you see the photos. You're not thinking out of the box. Look at how a technique is applied and then apply it to another style way. Think of the way you chamber the fist when in walking stance low block

mark.leonard wrote:

Its clearer to say it that way yes.
As to the truth in it - I would say that Trad punching motion used by trad guys as a ground game, will just get them submitted or damaged even quicker than before, when they knew they didn't have any ground.

mattsylvester

Why isn't it applying it? Why is it coincidence?

Tim_Murphy wrote:

We still talking about a Walking Stance here? Having your feet in a similar position to a W.S. when your grappling is not 'applying' it. It's a coincidence, that's all.

Tim_Murphy

mattsylvester wrote:

Sorry, grappling in the way you do TMA punching helps TMA. Is that better?

Not really, sorry. Not sure what you're saying here. Grappling helps your TMA punch? Maybe I'm just being thick here but I though the idea behind your group was to make everything Practical. If so, whats the point in getting better and better at doing a TMA punch?

It all depends whether you're completely close-minded as to whether TMA can help MMA and vice-versa and whether you're even interested in that sort of research anyway.

Both myself and Mark come form TKD backgrounds, so you're not talking to two pure BJJ or MMAers here. I'm completely open minded (I'd like to think anyway) about it, show me a move from any TMA that I can use against a real opponent and if I can use it I will. On the other hand, showing me similarities between a technique in a form and something that you will already see in an MMA match/real fight or whatever is pretty pointless and will not help me.

Why isn't it applying it? Why is it coincidence?

When you're grappling the legs might be in a position similar to a walking stance. What relevance does this have to doing traditional techniques in a traditional stance?

mark.leonard

As I've said before, there's no problem with sport within PMA, it's when sport crosses over to the street and people advocate going to the ground during a bar/street fight/roschambo match that you'll get problems.

If you are using alive training methods then your delivery system will not change regardless of the circumstances. There shouldn't be any disctinction between street and sport other than the tactics you use, for example, not going to ground if the situation doesn't warrant it.

I think you still don't get where I am comign from on Street and Sport.

mattsylvester

Maybe I'm just not explaining myself properly. Forums suck for this sort of thing anyway.

The relevance is that they show how the technique/whatever can be applied in another, useful way, especially when the TMA way that's usually advocated sucks big time

Plus when doing patterns it reallys gets annoying having to lie down and stand up all the time

Tim_Murphy wrote:

When you're grappling the legs might be in a position similar to a walking stance. What relevance does this have to doing traditional techniques in a traditional stance?

Tim_Murphy

The relevance is that they show how the technique/whatever can be applied in another, useful way, especially when the TMA way that's usually advocated sucks big time

But what does this achieve? It doesn't make practising it in a form anyless pointless (if you are interested in improving performance).

mattsylvester

hi Tim,

Sorry, finally understanding you now! Completely misread what you were trying to say! (note to self, block head ).

Cheers

Tim_Murphy wrote:

Again, as I said to Paul, if you goal of the training is to find similiarities between real useful techniques, and moves out of forms, then thats cool.

Colm_OReilly

Hey Matt,

Welcome to Boards.ie! Just one small request, if you are refering to something someone has posted, please put the quote above your own argument, it just makes it all a hell of a lot easier to follow

Thanks,
Colm

PS. Any date set for your coming to Cork?

mattsylvester

Colm_OReilly wrote:

Hey Matt,

Welcome to Boards.ie! Just one small request, if you are refering to something someone has posted, please put the quote above your own argument, it just makes it all a hell of a lot easier to follow

Thanks,
Colm

PS. Any date set for your coming to Cork?

Hi Colm,

Sorry about that! Will do from now on!

Not sure when we're coming over. It's up to Paul to arrange for the posse We're hoping to bring Karate, TKD, Kempo, JuJistu, and BJJ (Master). Just depends on the dates!

pma-ire

mark.leonard wrote:

Matt is coming to Cork at some stage this year (correct me if I am wrong) and I am going to make a point of getting down and doing some training with him and Paul just so they can see what I am talking about.

I will be getting all the PMA lads over here this year. All going well

I hope to have the PMA-Ireland open training camp in August or September. The new school is really more important at the moment and I will be working on the camp in the next few months.

I will post about that as I have it laid out...

mark.leonard

Glad to hear we will get to roll with you guys in Cork at some stage.
Who is this BJJ (Master) guy Matt?

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mark.leonard wrote:

Glad to hear we will get to roll with you guys in Cork at some stage.
Who is this BJJ (Master) guy Matt?

I had thought I had posted the link to the lads that Matt trains with??

http://www.masterbjj.co.uk/

But here it is again

mattsylvester

mark.leonard wrote:

Glad to hear we will get to roll with you guys in Cork at some stage.
Who is this BJJ (Master) guy Matt?

Hi Mark,

I train with Alan Emondson in Exeter and Paul Carthy in Torquay under Roger Brooking.

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Classes starting tonight!

I don't know why I'm not nervous I hav'int been at the top of a hall in a long time. But sure we'll have a laugh