To all Applied Maths students

nobodythere

Just found this on Oliver Murphy's website:
I make out a booklet of the past papers for the last 23 years (with mistakes on the papers corrected and answers supplied to all questions).I charge students €10 each for this booklet, which I give to two charities.If readers want a copy of this booklet, contact me at oliver-murphy@lycos.com or by post to Belvedere College, Great Denmark Street, Dublin 1.

Thought it might be of interest

*Angel*

Yeah I got this book, it's pretty worth getting considering it's only ten euro (which goes to charity anway). But just to let you know it only gives the answers, not the solutions. What annoys me is how much easier the papers seemed to be back in the 80s???

daveirl

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shane0312

Could anyone tell me how many topics you can get away with doing for the exam?

*Angel*

The short answer would be 6, cos you have to answer 6 out of 10 questions. But they like to intertwine some of the questions occassionally so really you should have 7 just in case, or maybe even 8. We all like choice...

David19

Also there's plenty of time to do the whole course. You could probably do it twice easily enough. You never know if they'll ask a really hard question so do as much of the course as you can.

shane0312

shane0312 wrote:

Could anyone tell me how many topics you can get away with doing for the exam?

I did 6 questions for the exam, and the pricks threw in some simple harmonic motion into question 4 - we only covered enough for the 6 questions. That was all done in one year though. One good thing is there is a very high rate for B's - A's for Applied Maths, something like 40% I think the statistic was. Not too sure though.

I only did it for one year and got a B1, and that was with the ****e threw in. I'm no genius, it just requires practise! You'll be grand!

shane0312

Does anyone here have applied maths notes from the institute? appreciated

Barry Aldwell

shane0312 wrote:

Does anyone here have applied maths notes from the institute? appreciated

You mean the copyrighted notes? The ones that you could be sued for copying/passing on to others?

Capall86

shane0312 wrote:

Does anyone here have applied maths notes from the institute? appreciated

If you want the notes go pay the €5,400 and go to the school, like i did, and no my parents did not pay, i did! or else go to the easter course.... I f**kin hate these losers who say, "hey your in leeson street can like have your notes!"
All i can say is


F*CK OFF YOU CHEAP SKATE C*NTS :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

shane0312

shane0312 wrote:

Does anyone here have applied maths notes from the institute? appreciated

lol pay for the grinds ya stingy bastid.

StupidLikeAFox

Barry Aldwell wrote:

You mean the copyrighted notes? The ones that you could be sued for copying/passing on to others?

The very ones, any chance?

edibility

God, no offence, but I hate people like you. Some people genuinely can't afford to go, and some people don't want to put their parents under the strain of paying for it. And some people parents weren't lucky enough to win the lotto and some people kids didn't develop horribly superior attitudes because of it. If you don't want to give people say so, don't scream at them for being cheapskates. And anyway, notes are exactly that, notes, you shouldn't have to pay for them, write them out yourself, they're an ad to memory not a learning tool.

snappieT

You can get all the FULL solutions to the last 4 years on www.examinations.ie

2004: http://www.examinations.ie/archive/markingschemes/2004/LC020ALP1EV.pdf
2003: http://www.examinations.ie/archive/markingschemes/2003/LC020ALP1EV.pdf
2002: http://www.examinations.ie/archive/markingschemes/2002/LC020ALP1EV.pdf
2001: http://www.examinations.ie/archive/markingschemes/2004/LC020ALP1EV.pdf

Hope that helps. And it's free!

honru

edibility wrote:

If you don't want to give people say so, don't scream at them for being cheapskates.

I wouldn't be surprised if Capall86 is a troll.

D-Generate

The applied maths teachers down in Cork get together every year and hold a two day seminar with lots of notes and all that jazz. Its coming up soon and I will post the dates when I find them out incase anyone is interested.

I'm pretty lucky as regards to Applied Maths. My school has it on the timetable because there is a large demand for it. We start it in fourth year and finish the course by the end of fifth year and cover it thoroughly. Then comes the long part, doing every single question from 1980 onwards or there about
Its all practice to be honest.

Projectiles, Accelerated Linear Motion, Particles and Collisions are the same each year really and when you just keep repeating those you end up seeing every variation, I guess Relative Velocity would be the same.

Circular Motion/Simple Harmonic Motion and Hydro-statics are a bit more theory based and need a good bit more practice because they are more open-ended.

Differential Equations is my favourite, after doing about 3/4 years worth to those you should have it nailed down as your first question.

Moments of Inertia is rarely done but the first part is a proof so 25 marks are easily got, the second part requires a bit more thinking because its totally new stuff.

Statics is the trickiest to do with out much practice. If you are thinking of doing that question make sure that you do many years worth of questions because if you don't get the force diagram right you are wasting your time.

JCB

D-Generate wrote:

We start it in fourth year and finish the course by the end of fifth year and cover it thoroughly.

You know it is actually Illegal for teachers to start the leaving cert course in fourth year as the leaving cert is a two year course. If you ever get caught the whole class could get disqualified from doing the exam.

BTW which is the better book Fundamental Applied Maths ( oliver Murphy) or Applied mathematics ( the blue book with the clock on it ) ?

defiantshrimp

I have both and I’d probably say Oliver Murphy’s book is on the whole better (I am a student of his so perhaps I’m not very impartial!) though it is quite old. The blue one (Applied Mathematics by Kevin Conliffe) is quite well structured and laid out better than O.M's one. But its major fault is that it is riddled with mistakes. When I was using it, it seemed that every second answer to the exercises in the back of the book was wrong. For me that was immensely frustrating since I would spend ages trying to work a sum out only to discover I was right and the book was wrong. So it depends what you are looking for. If you are looking solely for a reference and are mainly using other notes I would recommend K.C’s book. If you want a book to do problems O.M’s is the best choice.

D-Generate

JCB wrote:

You know it is actually Illegal for teachers to start the leaving cert course in fourth year as the leaving cert is a two year course. If you ever get caught the whole class could get disqualified from doing the exam.

Incorrect, a teacher is allowed to teach course material but must also have a fourth year slant to it. For example they can do questions that require only practices, it just bends the rule to its limit fourth year maths, not questions like moments of inertia or differential equations. Its been brought up many times and the school is hardly going to endanger its reputation by doing poor practice like that, it just bends the rule to its limit. Also every grind school would be shut down then if it wasn't allowed to do a three year course because they do advanced stuff in fourth year, much more than us. We do projects and the like in physics and chemistry but in applied maths thats hardly feasible so I see no problem in doing basic questions like linear accelerated motion or newtons laws etc.

It is insane to waste a year anyway, i see no benefit to arseing about. At the end of the day we are against each other so we might aswell grasp any advantage we can get.

breadmonkey

I think you really need both books. I found that neither book covers everything completely and you can get different perspectives by using them both. The blue one also has some formulas and such that aren't in the brown book.

Applied maths is a bit of a pain in the arse to study for; papers and solutions aren't too abundant. Also, some questions can be done using alternative methods which are MUCH simpler than some of the ****e they show in the books, particularly in hydrostatics and to a lesser extent, projectiles.

As regards which questions to do, I think Moments of Inertia is by far the easiest and most predictable option (unless you were nailed with the 2004 question as I was ). The differential equations question also has a "marks in the bag" question for part a, and b isn't usully too hard either. Projectiles is a joke, as is connected particles. The only bad bit about CP is those ones where you have to solve 5 simultaneous equations which can be quite time-consuming (I now know a nice method to solve these but it's not on the LC course). I was told that relative velocity is very easy and very quick if you're good at it, though I never quite grasped that topic.

Hope this helps

Capall86

No i'm not a troll, and i apologise for the outburst, it was over the top, and not what i'm like normally. :rolleyes: