Frank Keane BMW

hshortt

Hi Guys,

My dad was buying a Merc C220 there this week when he discovered a service report sheet in the car's documentation showing mileage greater than the clock!

He brought it to their attention and they claimed innocence and blamed the previous owner. My dad walked away from that "deal" and got a different car.

This note serves as a warning to those buying second hand from apparantly well established dealers, always get the service history!

Regards
Howard

unkel

That's just shocking :eek:

From one of the foremost $tealers and all :mad:

Alfasudcrazy

As an ex owner of two BMW's I find the general standard of arrogance at the main BMW dealers in Ireland unacceptable.

stratos

I'v said it before, ignore the milometer when buying a used car. especialy recent cars with computerised systems it's just too easy too change. there are so many other ways to verify a cars mileage. the thickness of the brake discs alone is a good evaluator. and on nearly new cars the tyres should be the oem stuff. I am sure people here have many other ways too.

stratos

Alfasudcrazy wrote:

As an ex owner of two BMW's I find the general standard of arrogance at the main BMW dealers in Ireland unacceptable.

I have had one good encounter with a bmw main dealer, and one so amazingly bad it defies belief, I mean really defies belief I could write a book on it. Unfortunatly nothing in my price range drives like them, so whatta u goin' a do.

lomb

stratos wrote:

I'v said it before, ignore the milometer when buying a used car. especialy recent cars with computerised systems it's just too easy too change. there are so many other ways to verify a cars mileage. the thickness of the brake discs alone is a good evaluator. and on nearly new cars the tyres should be the oem stuff. I am sure people here have many other ways too.

good advice, the tyres are serial numbered and dated and should match at least. u can tell alot about a car from the tyres.
absolutely shocking though.

Aquos76

lomb wrote:

good advice, the tyres are serial numbered and dated and should match at least. u can tell alot about a car from the tyres.
absolutely shocking though.

Not necessarily, I drive a 02 Renault Laguna with 16500 miles on the clock. I bought it from new. I had to get the two front tyres changed at 12000 miles as they were had worn away beyond the legal limit. I do not drive hard and as you can gather 16500 after 2 and half years is not a lot of driving.

It turned out that Continental had a problem with a batch of tyres which were supplied to Renault and Opel in '02 and consequently I got mine changed FOC. Mind you the 2 back tyres are practically still brand new.

lomb

rears are the best to go by though some fools rotate them which screws that up. my mums golf has 60 on it and rears have pleanty of tread left. good till 85 probably.

mike65

They say always buy a car on its condition not milage...

Mike.

lomb

stratos wrote:

I'v said it before, ignore the milometer when buying a used car. especialy recent cars with computerised systems it's just too easy too change. there are so many other ways to verify a cars mileage. the thickness of the brake discs alone is a good evaluator. and on nearly new cars the tyres should be the oem stuff. I am sure people here have many other ways too.

bmw are quite difficult to clock actually. it would have to be a very determined effort on the part of either the owner or the garage not only do u have to adjust the milometer in the car but the drivers key as well as this is coded for the milage as well. theres a guy who does it full time for a living in tallaght and drives a recent e430 or something and has a new harley enuf said........

oh my friend had a recent merc knocked back prior to resale value was 60000euro and rewound it 10000 miles prior to trading in with a very well known main mercedes dealer in dublin. he was talking to him and he said the motor trade were his best customers not individuals...........and none of this is taking the piss its the truth.

djeclips

stratos wrote:

Unfortunatly nothing in my price range drives like them, so whatta u goin' a do.

Mg Zs/Zt? Had a Zr geting a Zs in two weeks.Have a test drive is all I can say,Wouldn't no what other make to buy myself that offers that much smiles per €.

lomb

some of the clocking is just blatent a few years ago i was in windsor car auctions looking at a corolla for auction, the milometer read 68000 miles yet there was an oil change sticker on the drivers door dated 2 years prior saying next oil change at 85000. this car was obviously aimed at an idiot punter thinking he was going to pick up a bargain. :rolleyes:

AMurphy

A guy I worked with in Lim. once told me of his recent trade-in re-appearing the showroom with the clock wound back 10~20K.

Although, I was of the opinion that current vehicles with digital electronic dashes store the mileage in 2 memory locations. Thus it can be verified by a dealer. (however, I'm not sure if the dealer also has or has not the capability to re-set it in 2 locations also.).

Do the NCT or tax book documentation not record the milage when last tested or sold?

Armadillo

The mileage is recorded on the print-out that accompanies the NCT certificate but not on the certificate itself.
Theres plenty of adverts in the buy and sell (broken and stolen) magazine for lads that do 'mileage recalibration' or 'mileage correction'. :mad:

lomb

AMurphy wrote:

A guy I worked with in Lim. once told me of his recent trade-in re-appearing the showroom with the clock wound back 10~20K.

Although, I was of the opinion that current vehicles with digital electronic dashes store the mileage in 2 memory locations. Thus it can be verified by a dealer. (however, I'm not sure if the dealer also has or has not the capability to re-set it in 2 locations also.).

Do the NCT or tax book documentation not record the milage when last tested or sold?

the trick or the theft which ever u want to call it is its done ALOT on premium cars like BMW and mercedes. reason is many main dealers cant sell used top cars for good money unless they have low miles. the premium cars could gain 5-7000 euro with lower miles easily. this is a **** load of money. im not saying main dealers do it unless they are very dodgy but all the second tier dealers are at it and theres hundreds of them in dublin alone.

a quick scan of carzone shows most main dealers sell cars with surprisingly low miles. the trick with top cars is this- car serviced january shows 10000 miles, then driven say 20000 miles in a year to 30 but before u service it clock it back to 13000 before having it serviced then sell it a year later with say 17000 miles even though its done another 20000 in this timeframe. i bekieve the clocker said he had contracts with various people to clock em every year . this goes on ALOT with ferraris and porsches in the UK as the gains are many many thousands of pounds.

cars are also clocked for company car drivers BUT CLOCKED UP to reduce BIK tax funny world
:rolleyes:

RicardoSmith

djeclips wrote:

Mg Zs/Zt? Had a Zr geting a Zs in two weeks.Have a test drive is all I can say,Wouldn't no what other make to buy myself that offers that much smiles per €.

Seriously?

Most BMW dealers seem to have a woeful reputation. In fact its hard to find decent dealers anymore in any brand.

memind

I am owner of BMW and was told by dealer in Blackrock I need new tyres....bridgestone 19in run flat! are the ones reccomended????? They charging abt €400 + per tyre???? anyone know where I can buy better value

TestTransmission

memind wrote: »

I am owner of BMW and was told by dealer in Blackrock I need new tyres....bridgestone 19in run flat! are the ones reccomended????? They charging abt €400 + per tyre???? anyone know where I can buy better value

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