Is Kieron Dyer a waste of space and money ?

Big Ears

so much promise , but never fulfilled his talent .On a massive sallary and has little effect on the teams performance in a positive way , is it time to cash in on Kieron Dyer(we could have got a lot more 3 years ago) and bring in someone like Graveson ?

MrJoeSoap

Bit harsh, although a new team would probably be perfect for Dyer, he looks like he needs a fresh start.

eirebhoy

It wasn't so long ago there was prices as high as £25m being thrown around, how times change.

BolBill

Mr.Bling Bling, no way, lose him like a bad habit.

The Muppet

Is Kieron Dyer a waste of space and money ?

Yep, Newcastle missed their chance to make a killing on the waste of space a few years ago.

Boro

Supposedly he is playing very well lately. If it was up to me though, I would flog him in an instant. He is a selfish twat, absolutely no moral fibre. Bad for the squad and not the type of person you want in your team when things are going bad. Even Laurent Robert isnt as bad as KD.

Shame ye couldnt have sold him to ManU a few years back

Big Nelly

He is actually starting to get a bit of form back the last few weeks......but still a player who never really looks that good.....never seen him play a good game even when he was been rated at 25mil.......lucky to get the 6mil or so Newcastle paided for him in the first place now....could see him being offered to Fulham for Boa Morte(well they have offered half the time already according to reports)

Harry2001

Big Ears wrote:

Is Kieron Dyer a waste of space and money ?

Yes probably will end up that way

Have not liked the guy since the crap with Bobby Robson but if he could manage to go through a run of games without getting injured every 5 minutes then I think he can be a player

mayordenis

stupid newcastle fan(only messin) but gravesen isnt going to leave everton for ye.

Kencu

I have no doubts that some Italian team, most likely Inter would easily give you 10-12 million for the idiot. You could use that money to buy Yakubu(another waste of space). It's all cyclical baby.

vicwatson

This is from The Sunday Times Sports rich list published yesterday -

Number 64 = £14m Up £2m from last year Kieron Dyer

Dyer's four years at West Ham have seen him make just 35 appearances, starting just 17 times and completing a full 90 minutes three times, scoring no goals. Total cost to the club: about £23,000,000.00, which covers the £6m transfer fee paid to Newcastle United in 2007 and wages that were claimed to be £83,000.00 a week when they were leaked in the media last year. Dyer, 32, who started with home club Ipswich Town, is worth £14m.

Nice work if you can get it !!:mad:

J. Marston

He's 32? Fùckin' hell.

UglyBolloxFace

I can't believe wastes-of-space like Dyer are able to become millionaires by being absolutely mediocre footballers.
This is a cancer on football, and the sooner it is sorted out the better.

(although in saying that, who can blame him? All of the blame lies entirely on the Newcastle/West Ham management who gave him extraordinarily stupid contracts).

Pighead

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

I can't believe wastes-of-space like Dyer are able to become millionaires by being absolutely mediocre footballers.
This is a cancer on football, and the sooner it is sorted out the better.

Dyer was a fantastic footballer. While i agree he's been a terrible waste of money for the majority of his career this has had more to do with constant injuries than any limitations as a footballer.

Het-Field

Dyer was reputedly paid £83,000 per week at West Ham. He cost the club £7 Million in transfer fees. He played 30 games in four years at the club. Many of these appearences came from the bench. He scored no goals.

If he is at all decent, he should offer his services to WHU on a pay-as-you-play basis, with a rolling monthly contract. No man owes more to a club than Dyer. He should at least put the ball in the club's court.

Either way, I cant imagine too many clubs coming in for him.

Paully D

He was a good player before his injury crisis' struck, but he's no use to any club now.

West Ham have once again given a massive contract to a player undeserving of it in the first place (along with about 15 others in their squad) and our now paying the consequences for it.

He'll sit on his contract unless West Ham agree to pay most of his wage when he moves, but even a small percentage of his wage will be too much to pay for the clubs who'd be in for him now.

Het-Field

Paully D wrote: »

He was a good player before his injury crisis' struck, but he's no use to any club now.

West Ham have once again given a massive contract to a player undeserving of it in the first place (along with about 15 others in their squad) and our now paying the consequences for it.

He'll sit on his contract unless West Ham agree to pay most of his wage when he moves, but even a small percentage of his wage will be too much to pay for the clubs who'd be in for him now.

Luckily he is out of contract. Hence, I believe he should offer his services to the Hammers on vastly reduced terms, and on a less iron-clad style of contract.

UglyBolloxFace

Het-Field wrote: »

Luckily he is out of contract. Hence, I believe he should offer his services to the Hammers on vastly reduced terms, and on a less iron-clad style of contract.

If he's out of contract then why don't the Hammers release him on a free transfer? They wouldn't have to pay him anything if his contract is expired.

Het-Field

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

If he's out of contract then why don't the Hammers release him on a free transfer? They wouldn't have to pay him anything if his contract is expired.

They will. I simply believe Dyer should do the decent thing and offer his services on a very non-committed basis. This will allow the Hammers to accept or reject his services.

Paully D

Het-Field wrote: »

Luckily he is out of contract. Hence, I believe he should offer his services to the Hammers on vastly reduced terms, and on a less iron-clad style of contract.

I've just realised that this thread was created in 2005

West Ham are very lucky that he is out of contract, that would be a massive contract to carry in the Championship.

Just release him on a free and be done with him is what I say.

vicwatson

Yes 'm guilty of ressurecting it !!;) Just when I saw the details in the sun times yesterday .....

ollaetta

Paully D wrote: »

I've just realised that this thread was created in 2005

That fact this can still be discussed after 6 years makes the answer to the original question a very definite Yes! Pity, as he was a very good player.

WallyGUFC

Paully D wrote: »

He was a good player before his injury crisis' struck, but he's no use to any club now.

I'd certainly take him at Galway United on a strictly performance-related contract (performance = winning the LOI of course.)

Fromvert

Was wondering why Graveson was being talked about, flippin 2005 thread.

Vurnon San Benito

The Muppet wrote: »

Yep, Newcastle missed their chance to make a killing on the waste of space a few years ago.

We made £7m on him.
Probably the easiest £7m we've ever made, added to the fact we got him off our wage bill and he played his best football in a Toon shirt.

bazual

Doocey wrote: »

We made £7m on him.
Probably the easiest £7m we've ever made, added to the fact we got him off our wage bill and he played his best football in a Toon shirt.

could not have said it better, we sold him at the right time when his usefulness had expired. I would also say buying him was probably the only good thing that Gullit did at his time at Newcastle as when he was fit he was immense.

Underground

Not exactly his fault West Ham and Newcastle threw stupid money at him,hardly going to turn it down is he?
Also not his fault his career hasn't really worked out.Great talent,but unlike the Pennants of this world it was merely (constant) injuries that held him back,could have been much more..kinda feel sorry for the lad.

Het-Field

Underground wrote: »

Not exactly his fault West Ham and Newcastle threw stupid money at him,hardly going to turn it down is he?
Also not his fault his career hasn't really worked out.Great talent,but unlike the Pennants of this world it was merely (constant) injuries that held him back,could have been much more..kinda feel sorry for the lad.

TBH I reserve such sympathy for players like Dean Ashton and David Busst. Both players lost their careers to serious injuries, and at reasonably young ages. Dyer has never even considered retirement or offering a Mauricio Tarrico style offer to terminate the contract. I dont blame him. However, it ensures that I dont feel a great deal of sympathy for his plight. He earned enough money to mitigate for his lost years.

vicwatson

TBH I reserve such sympathy for players like Dean Ashton

Here here

That_Guy

The chap had so much potential but injuries really got the better of him which is a pity because he was playing some decent football with us.

At 32, it'd be wise to get rid due to his high wages and given that West Ham are now in the Championship they may not want him at the club as they won't be able to pay those wages.

EDIT: Graveson????

Blatter

That_Guy wrote: »

EDIT: Graveson????

It's a zombie thread from 2005, Graveson is retired now:pac:

NukaCola

That_Guy wrote: »

EDIT: Graveson????

SOCCER4LIFE wrote: »

It's a zombie thread from 2005

LOL :pac:

LuckyLloyd

Revisionism is a terrible thing. Dyer was genuinely brilliant for the first few years of his career, and it is easy to see why West Ham were willing to gamble on him at the time.

Injuries have destroyed him and - unless someone can confirm otherwise - so long as he has done all that he can to get on the field it is a bit harsh to label him a waste of space.

Fans have a very funny attitude to football contracts, and are consistently unable to see that they expect things that they would never assent to themselves as employees in their own jobs...

Spazdarn

He should have been put on a pay by play contract. But a club like West Ham needed to take the gamble

quarryman

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Fans have a very funny attitude to football contracts, and are consistently unable to see that they expect things that they would never assent to themselves as employees in their own jobs...

Exactly.

I'd love to see how many people would leave their own jobs (despite having a contract to continue their employment) just because the employer couldn't afford to pay them. More likely they'd stay for as long as possible and extract the maximum amount of redundancy.

Paully D

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Revisionism is a terrible thing. Dyer was genuinely brilliant for the first few years of his career, and it is easy to see why West Ham were willing to gamble on him at the time.

Injuries have destroyed him and - unless someone can confirm otherwise - so long as he has done all that he can to get on the field it is a bit harsh to label him a waste of space.

Fans have a very funny attitude to football contracts, and are consistently unable to see that they expect things that they would never assent to themselves as employees in their own jobs...

I'd tend to agree with most of this, but for West Ham to offer him a reported wage of £83,000 a week is one of the reasons why their in financial **** now.

I certainly wouldn't criticise them for taking a chance on him, but that sort of contract was asking for trouble.