The Nature of Love

JustHalf

Just something I've been thinking about a lot... love, what is it? How do you know what you feel is love?

To put it plainly, what are the distinguishing marks of it. I can't explain it. I'm a firm believer that when you fall in love, you discover that all the other times you fell in "love" were false and hollow, compared to the richness of true love. I'm damn sure I've experienced it; but is this a universal constant, or is this just me? I can hardly tell people they are not in love with someone because they have been "in love" before, nor can I justify this opinion... so I ask, is this a universal constant?

Do people believe that all true love must be requited for it to be true? That you could not experience this without it being returned? This is an opinion I can't at all defend because I do not believe it is the case. It seems a selfish opinion to hold, that this state can be untarnished by pain.

Anyway, I ask, "What is love?".

NOBODY reply "Baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me, no more", right?

[This message has been edited by JustHalf (edited 30-05-2001).]

Excelsior

Love is not blind - it sees more, not less. But because it sees more, it is willing to see less.

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Excelsior
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the celtic tiger

where are u???

the celtic tiger

and more importantly, how did u do?

WhiteWashMan

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Excelsior:
Love is not blind - it sees more, not less. But because it sees more, it is willing to see less.

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and was it once written that 'wise men were not always wise?'
i dont think you are wise yet.
love is not blind my ass!
but i suppose you have the one true love with the lord god almighty, so please, if you will, forgive me.....

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Canaboid

.....but is it unrequieted ? We'll never know.

Shinji

Heh, it's most certainly blind

And as for what it actually is.... I could probably write pages about it and still not get it right. I think that when you experience it, you know all about it. It's probably different for everyone anyway, if I was to start trying to describe it you'd probably all just go "Nah, what are you on about, it's nothing like that!"

When it really happens, though, it's a pretty life-changing experience.

JustHalf

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Shinji:
When it really happens, though, it's a pretty life-changing experience.</font>

Well, isn't that its nature?

Doc

I like the quote from captain whatever his name’s mandolin

"Love is what is left after everything else burns away"

This might not be the exact whey he says it but you get the gist of it.

JustHalf

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by WhiteWashMan:
but i suppose you have the one true love with the lord god almighty, so please, if you will, forgive me.....
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*Zips up asbesthos jacket*

Magwitch

Is this about Bonking, the honky tonk, hubba-hubba, hiding the salami, The Fleshy Excalibre, rumpi-pumpi, totti, "hows yer father", wink-wink, nudge-nudge?

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Keep your powder dry and your pants moist

JustHalf

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Magwitch:
Is this about Bonking, the honky tonk, hubba-hubba, hiding the salami, The Fleshy Excalibre, rumpi-pumpi, totti, "hows yer father", wink-wink, nudge-nudge?</font>

Afraid not. That's in boards.ie/pr0n

Shinji

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Victor

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Doc:
I like the quote from captain whatever his name’s mandolin </font>

So i saw this today's kinda like a blokes chick flick or is it a girls shoot 'em up movie?

Anyway, this does not in my opinion demonstrate love. Love has a basis more substantial than this piece of cinematic Mills and Boon. I probably overstated that, I did like the movie.

Back to love. Love has many forms, the most important being the love of the stranger. Not that cute chick you fantasise about - although she might be good for a roide.

/me is suffering frm post-traumatic shock.

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Doc

Victor Im not talking about the whole movie (haven’t even seen it yet Im talking about the trailer where the old man (think its your ones father) talks about love. It just seems to ring very true for me.

JustHalf

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Shinji:
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Seek and ye shall 404.

Actually, that's a good quote!

azezil

love = sex or the desire for sex!

when you're with a person you love you get a fuzzy feeling in your stomach -> cause adrenalin you're excited by your partner, u want her in the sack!!

missing her when she's/he's not around -> missing the sex.

geting upset/angry when someone else pays them attention -> just like any other animal, fear of competition want, / need to have your partner bear your young and no-one elses.

this also explains why relationships go downhill after the first couple of kidz are thrown out.

as for love between family members -> thats not love its a sence of belonging and dependance.

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"just because you're not paraniod, doesn't mean they're not after you!"

Cake Fiend

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by azezil:
love = sex or the desire for sex!
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BOLL-OCKS
Spot the man who's never felt that kind of love.

WhiteWashMan

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by azezil:
love = sex or the desire for sex!

when you're with a person you love you get a fuzzy feeling in your stomach -> cause adrenalin you're excited by your partner, u want her in the sack!!

missing her when she's/he's not around -> missing the sex.

geting upset/angry when someone else pays them attention -> just like any other animal, fear of competition want, / need to have your partner bear your young and no-one elses.

this also explains why relationships go downhill after the first couple of kidz are thrown out.

as for love between family members -> thats not love its a sence of belonging and dependance.

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ahh yes, the well founded theories of a twenty year old.....

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Greenbean

Like God it seems that love can be described away by genetics, that there is an explaination for everything. Even if we do have mechanisms to aid in changes of mind when in love it is because the mind and body works around the a-priori notion of love. It does exist outside of us and some do get to experience it. Love isn't simply/only an internally animalistically developed notion to aid in reproduction and survival. I hope.

Oh, age and experience doesn't automatically give you a right to derise other peoples opinions. We wouldn't want to be smugly arrogantly now would we? Back things up - "attempt" to tackle the issue.

WhiteWashMan

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Greenbean:
Oh, age and experience doesn't automatically give you a right to derise other peoples opinions. We wouldn't want to be smugly arrogantly now would we? Back things up - "attempt" to tackle the issue.</font>

nope, but its sounds like me at 20 in college when all i wanted to do was f*ck something
anyway, how can you tackle the issue of love.
having ended a serious relationship and started a new one within the last couple of months, i find strange that my idea of love has changed in that short time.
i was with someone for 2 years, lived with her and loved her. i still do, but hell, i wouldnt do it again
but now i am with someone new now and i feel a whole different set of emotions now. theres the excitment of e new relationship. theres a whole lot of great sex and new experiences
and when i see her (every month ) i am almost overwhelmed i want to get sick. i call her everyday and we have a fantastic relationship. but it is nothing like any relationships ive had before. the first time i fell in love i felt like vomiting everyday for a month. it was fairly much unrequited love unfortunately, but you live and learn and as you get older, yes, you do figure things out and it becomes more than sex, more than companionship, more than a drinking partner etc.
it changes everytime it happens, and it changes during as well.
it depends on your own state of mmind and it depends on the person youre with.
for me, if i was to give a definition of love i would say that its the ability to spend time with someone for a long tim e without wanting to cut their head off

but then again, ive often been told that this is considered anti-social behaviour...

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Doc

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by azezil:
love = sex or the desire for sex!

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Thats LUST not love.

Shinji

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">the first time i fell in love i felt like vomiting everyday for a month.</font>

You should take it easy rather than trying to deep throat your boyfriend straight off, then. The gag reaction can be a terrible thing.

I'll get my coat

Bit harsh of you to group all 20 year olds like that, by the way. I may only be 20, but I guess I grew up a bit quicker than I should have... I spent a very long time (several years) going out of my mind over someone who never considered me to be more than a good friend. Which sucked... I know what you mean about the physical sensations, although for me it wasn't pit of stomach illness feeling... I felt like I was going to stop breathing sometimes, my whole chest would tighten up, throat constrict and mouth go dry. Made conversation a bit tough sometimes

I guess I was stunned by how quickly I got over it once we went our seperate ways... Within six months the dreams had stopped, and I haven't even thought about it in almost a year, until now. Weird. Course, I'm chasing someone else now (with significantly more success, thank f*ck, I think I'd go mad if I went through another few years like that again!) so that may be a contributing factor...

And yeah, the difference between love and lust is important. It's rare for someone to fall in lust first and then love, in my experience... But the other way around is very common. Lust is "I'd have some of that!" - love is something totally different.

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WhiteWashMan

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Shinji:


And yeah, the difference between love and lust is important. It's rare for someone to fall in lust first and then love, in my experience... But the other way around is very common. Lust is "I'd have some of that!" - love is something totally different.

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well then rob, what about love at first sight? do you believe in that?
personally i do.
every time, all 3 of them, it has ben pretty much love at first sight. well, ok, love at first sight and an hour of talking to them and then i know how i felt.
but maybe its always like that except sometimes you dont get the chance to develope with someone, wheres if you meet someone, and then you dont see them again you just move on and nothing comes of it. maybe the feelings to come up?

WhiteWashMan

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by azezil:
but after about a month she cut out the personah (spl?) we all exabit when we first meet someone
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maybe you should try and be yourself.
how do you know shes not saying the same thing about you?
'he was great until about a month after we met and then he turned into a different person'
personally i am just myself all the time. why would i be otherwise?
and if you dont think there is such a thing at love at first sight or have never experienced it, then how do you know?

azezil

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by WhiteWashMan: maybe you should try and be yourself.
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i'v tried that but ppl usually just run away screaming!! LOL actually seriously it takes time for ppl to get used to my sense of humour, got in alot of arguments of it!!

but we all do that do'h, don't say ya don't we all try to make a good impression when we first meet someone, it's only natural to put ur best foot foward!

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Shinji

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">say ya don't we all try to make a good impression when we first meet someone</font>

Well, kinda, I guess. Not really to any great degree though - I certainly don't think I present a different face in public and in private, as such. I know people who do, and it drives me nuts really, so it's something I make a conscious effort to avoid.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">well then rob, what about love at first sight? do you believe in that?</font>

Hmm, to be honest, I don't know whether I do or not. I've met a couple of people that I've fallen in love with straight away, but ultimately cooled off to being a good friend... The only longish-term relationships I've had have been with folk I liked at first and gradually warmed to more, rather than vice versa.

Steven

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Shinji:
I certainly don't think I present a different face in public and in private </font>

I know I do, but I don't mean to. It's really annoying .

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Shinji:
I know people who do, and it drives me nuts really </font>

And how would you know what they act like in private? I think Shinji likes his surveillance equipment

bugler

We all love our surveillance equipment. I'm gonna leave my full opinion on this until another night because I'm so wrecked tired, but just thought I'd post as regards GB's post, about it being genetic etc. Well 'The Flaming Lips' wrote a song which concerned the theory that the chemical responsible for the feeling of love in the brain is the same chemical which caused the 'big bang', ie the start of earth as we know it . Now isn't that lovely, Gentlemen?

azezil

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by WhiteWashMan:
well then rob, what about love at first sight? do you believe in that?
personally i do.
every time, all 3 of them, it has ben pretty much love at first sight. well, ok, love at first sight and an hour of talking to them and then i know how i felt.
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love at first sight, oh please that rearly lasts long. i was totally infactuated with this girl i ment a while ago, she wasn't overly atractive but there was something about her personality i really liked, but after about a month she cut out the personah (spl?) we all exabit when we first meet someone n she turned out to be a total physco!

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"just because you're not paraniod, doesn't mean they're not after you!"

Jim Daniels

Love is Suicide

Love is a Miserable Lie

Only Love Can Break Your Heart

Thats rock stars for you............

Excelsior

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by WhiteWashMan:
and if you dont think there is such a thing at love at first sight or have never experienced it, then how do you know?</font>

Circular logic to be proud of.

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Excelsior
=Consto Suffragium Cussu Famina=

Shinji

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">And how would you know what they act like in private?</font>

I was thinking of people that I actually know really well on a personal level, who act totally differently "in public" to when we're just sitting about having a chat and a beer or whatever. Does my head in.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">I think Shinji likes his surveillance equipment</font>

My right arm is still aching from the workout it got off Munch's webcam last night.

Steven

I knew what you meant, it was just an opportunity for a bad joke

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Shinji:
My right arm is still aching from the workout it got off Munch's webcam last night. </font>

Rofl

azezil

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Shinji:
My right arm is still aching from the workout it got off Munch last night. </font>

LMAO sorry couldn't resist! hee hee

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"just because you're not paraniod, doesn't mean they're not after you!"

Oh yeah

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">its the ability to spend time with someone for a long tim e without wanting to cut their head off

but then again, ive often been told that this is considered anti-social behaviour...

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As well as making me laugh in an unusual fashion, that's a good point. But to me that's... friendship. For *love* you need... a person. You think about them and you smile and laugh and people look at you funny. What?

Love is being ecstatic simply because a certain person exists. And that's why it can fade away, as you cop on that they don't...

Honesty is very important. If you keep up some different outward appereance, people can only get to know what you are pretending to be. And to me that's utterly useless. In recent times I've just been weirding out pretty much everyone. If they don't like me, fine. If they do, wahey.

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WhiteWashMan

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Excelsior:
Circular logic to be proud of.


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can you say rhetoric?
anyway, since when did logic matter to the godsquad?

JustHalf

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by WhiteWashMan:
can you say rhetoric?
anyway, since when did logic matter to the godsquad?</font>

Yeah Excelsior! How dare you voice your opinions! Christians shouldn't be allowed to open their flippin' cakehole!

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WhiteWashMan

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by JustHalf:

Originally posted by WhiteWashMan:
can you say rhetoric?
anyway, since when did logic matter to the godsquad?</font>

Yeah Excelsior! How dare you voice your opinions! Christians shouldn't be allowed to open their flippin' cakehole!

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i feel the point of irony is probably lost on your justhalf.
id explain it, but you know what. i just couldnt be arsed. but im glad you agree with me on the christianity part...

JustHalf

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by WhiteWashMan:
i feel the point of irony is probably lost on your justhalf.
id explain it, but you know what. i just couldnt be arsed. but im glad you agree with me on the christianity part...</font>

The alarming regularity of your anti-christian stance (wheter in jest or no) points to something more deeply rooted.

Tell me, do you fear the armies of God?

WhiteWashMan

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by JustHalf:

Originally posted by WhiteWashMan:
i feel the point of irony is probably lost on your justhalf.
id explain it, but you know what. i just couldnt be arsed. but im glad you agree with me on the christianity part...</font>

The alarming regularity of your anti-christian stance (wheter in jest or no) points to something more deeply rooted.

Tell me, do you fear the armies of God?

gwich army would that be? the left army or the right army?
im so glad you take the time to psycho-analyse me. i feel all fluffy inside now.

but tell me something....
do you feel threatened by my posts?
they are hardly anti-christian, just mainly anti excelsior becuse he is a muppet and deserves to be chastised. other than that i have no problem with religious freaks
just ask my satan worshipping, christian beating friends

JustHalf

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by WhiteWashMan:
gwich army would that be? the left army or the right army?
im so glad you take the time to psycho-analyse me. i feel all fluffy inside now.
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I mock you. The ambidextrous army of course.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by WhiteWashMan:
but tell me something....
do you feel threatened by my posts?
they are hardly anti-christian, just mainly anti excelsior becuse he is a muppet and deserves to be chastised. other than that i have no problem with religious freaks
just ask my satan worshipping, christian beating friends</font>

Woo! Go WWM!

TwoShedsJackson

Now totally off topic and descending into an abyss of muppetry.