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RIO targeted by chelsea & others...

  • 04-01-2005 1:46pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,467 ✭✭✭


    back page of the star,' exclusive story' (by Bill thornton), rio is apparently sought after by chelsea, arsenal, barca & madrid but chelsea lead the group by offering €175,000 A WEEK, €8.5m a year!

    obviously utd wont match that, nor i imagine can arsenal or barca. madrid might come close. apparently chelsea will pounce in the summer, when utd try and extend his contract for less than what chelsea will offer. or else they will wait until this time next year and let his contract run down.

    not too worried about this myself nor will utd i'd say. theyve shown him great loyalty through the drugs ordeal and i'd expect the same shown in return. however no doubt this will run on and on and get bigger & bigger until he puts pen to paper on a new deal. terry&ferdinand is a frightening thought.


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  • Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 12,742 Mod ✭✭✭✭cournioni


    Give us Duff and Lampard and they can have Rio.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,018 ✭✭✭✭jank


    id take anything regarding chelsea with a pinch of salt


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,012 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    PORNAPSTER wrote:
    Give us Duff and Lampard and they can have Rio.

    hah your joking right?

    We would be ****ed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,006 ✭✭✭✭The Muppet


    cheesedude wrote:
    hah your joking right?

    We would be ****ed.

    I,d settle for Terry and DUFF, ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,324 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    If these rumours are true then it will be great news for United.
    Amazing anyone could possibly waste so much money on Ferdinand.
    Without doubt the most overated defender of all time .
    Gary Neville saying he is the best English defender of all time is sacreligious.
    I'm amazed he survived Christmas as I'm sure stuffed turkey is a popular dinner.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,709 ✭✭✭BolBill


    If these rumours are true then it will be great news for United.
    Amazing anyone could possibly waste so much money on Ferdinand.
    Without doubt the most overated defender of all time .
    Gary Neville saying he is the best English defender of all time is sacreligious.
    I'm amazed he survived Christmas as I'm sure stuffed turkey is a popular dinner.

    THANK YOU !!! At last someone who agrees with me, RIO is a ball watcher, and against good oppostion (like in Europe in the latter stages of the Champions League) he'll demonstrate how over rated he is. The money paid for him is a joke.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,006 ✭✭✭✭The Muppet


    BolBill wrote:
    THANK YOU !!! At last someone who agrees with me, RIO is a ball watcher, and against good oppostion (like in Europe in the latter stages of the Champions League) he'll demonstrate how over rated he is. The money paid for him is a joke.

    Yep that why Chelsea reportedly want to pay him 175 k a week.

    Rio is one of the best central defenders in the world, all you have to do to confirm that is to compare United defensive record with and without him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,012 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    And it actually is as simple as that. Good point Muppet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭Gileadi


    ill believe it when i see it,theres no problem with the chelsea defence and i dont think Mr.M will rock the boat


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 71 ✭✭Kencu


    Actually it's not that simple. Ferdinand is a great footballer IMO, but he's not a great defender. His actual tackling ability isn't up there with the likes of Campbell and Terry and he certainly isn't as dominant in the air, but he set's up United's attacking play giving them the base to control games that isn't there when he was out. There improved record comes from that not from any amazing defensive qualities he brings to the table.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    When you compare Rio to the best defenders in the world he doesn't stand up against them.

    Terry and Campble are both better players than Rio, and they aren't even top 5 in europe when it comes to defenders.

    Players like Nesta, Maldini, Canavarro, Puyol and Samuel are all head and shoulders above Rio or any defenders in england for that matter.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 71 ✭✭Kencu


    Seaneh wrote:
    Players like Nesta, Maldini, Canavarro, Puyol and Samuel are all head and shoulders above Rio or any defenders in england for that matter.

    Wrong. I'm a pool fan but even i know that Samuel certainly aint as good as any of the three defenders you mentioned. He looked good at Roma due to the fact that they protected their back four immensly well. Puyol is a total liability at the back and detracts from Barca's claims to be the best side in Europe(even though that is actually true). Canavarro is playing better this year but was WOEFUL last year, Maldini's flaws are now begining to show. The guy is still a genius but the lack of pace will be exploited sooner or later. Even Sammer(along with Baresi, Maldini and Gullitt the best i've ever seen) lost it at the end.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,467 ✭✭✭smemon


    he's a rock, a pillar of strength on which utd's defence is built around. technically, he's probably englands best defender but imo terry is englands best defender and the best in the world for that matter.

    rio suits utd style of play as he can pass the ball with style and sharpness, plus he's a good organiser. he's INVALUABLE to utd, you sell rio, who will replace him?? he was one of utd's best buys of recent years, regardless of his pricetag. he's still young, and will probably only get better in the next few years.

    if your in doubt of his ability, take a look at his return against liverpool.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 ✭✭✭✭PHB


    His contract expires in 2007.
    Its now 2005.

    So this would be in two years time?
    I assume it means that people want to buy him?

    So we've heard Chelsea, Arsenal, Barca, and Madrid.

    I honastly dont think there is any chance he would go to Arsenal, because they couldn't afford to buy him.
    So the rest I guess could afford.
    First off United would at least be looking for 30 mill, and I'd imagine more than that since they like him so much, even then I'd imagine a transfer request would have to be handed in.(do keep in mind that Rio is now the vice-captain at United, intended to take over Keano when he retires)

    If this happened, so be it, I'm sure Fergie could spend 50 million or so, on getting a new centre back.

    ----


    Nesta, Maldini, Canavarro, Puyol and Samuel

    Nesta is great, nobody will argue with that.
    Maldini is great, one of the best players of all time, but he is now 36 if i'm not mistaken. I don't think Rio would ever be as good as he was, but he is now 36, and not as good as he used to be.

    Canavarro is a great player, but is a different style of centre back to Rio.
    He is possibly the best second centre back there is, but is not like Terry or Campbell so it is wrong to compare them.

    Puyol is an interesting player, very good at the spanish game, and an incredible player.

    Samuel, was amazing at Roma, although its easier to be a good defender in Italy since everyone defends, however if you have watched him once this season, you would know he lacks the pace/ability to deal with being a defender without the midfield backing him up. Slow, and has had a terrible season this year, which he himself has admitted.

    Campbell, Terry, and Rio are all just as good.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 71 ✭✭Kencu


    One other point. Look at the threads on this board, every game involving the mentioned British based players is dissected. Every mistake Campbell, Ferdinand or Terry make is highlighted and debated. When's the last time there was a thread about a match involving any of the other defenders mentioned that wasn't a CL match.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,006 ✭✭✭✭The Muppet


    Kencu wrote:
    Actually it's not that simple. Ferdinand is a great footballer IMO, but he's not a great defender. His actual tackling ability isn't up there with the likes of Campbell and Terry and he certainly isn't as dominant in the air, but he set's up United's attacking play giving them the base to control games that isn't there when he was out. There improved record comes from that not from any amazing defensive qualities he brings to the table.

    Sorry but IMO thats just rubbish does not make sense to me.

    Ferdinand is a good passes of a ball all right but you are forgetting that to get the ball he usually has to take it off an opposing attacker. How do you explain Uniteds improved defensive record when he plays if its not down to his defensive qualities?


  • Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 12,742 Mod ✭✭✭✭cournioni


    I totally disagree. I think that Rio is a poor passer of the ball you just watch how many times he gives a dodgy pass to another player and that player will lose it because of the poor pass. There have been a couple of times he has done it recently that have gone unnoticed by the Sky commentators, and he just about got away with it. Just have a look out for it tonight.

    Silvestre is a far better passer of the ball. But he sometimes gets the ball caught up in his feet when in posession, because he has a lack of concentration when on the ball.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,006 ✭✭✭✭The Muppet


    PORNAPSTER wrote:
    I totally disagree. I think that Rio is a poor passer of the ball you just watch how many times he gives a dodgy pass to another player and that player will lose it because of the poor pass. There have been a couple of times he has done it recently that have gone unnoticed by the Sky commentators, and he just about got away with it. Just have a look out for it tonight.

    Silvestre is a far better passer of the ball. But he sometimes gets the ball caught up in his feet when in posession, because he has a lack of concentration when on the ball.

    I can't say I,ve noticed that , Rio always looks very comfortable on the ball and with his passes to me but I will pay extra attention to him tonigh .{if the ball gets down his end :D }


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    Well in all seriousness Arsenal will not bidding for him if Chelsea are in there then we won't be able to compete and he is not needed (We need a goalkeeper!).

    He is a good player and he is an extremely important player for United, if they lose him it will be a blow. Then again if they can get a pile of cash for him I am sure Sir Alco will make good use of it (Just make sure you check the next one can keep appointments Alex ;)).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,006 ✭✭✭✭The Muppet


    gandalf wrote:
    Well in all seriousness Arsenal will not bidding for him if Chelsea are in there then we won't be able to compete and he is not needed (We need a goalkeeper!).

    He is a good player and he is an extremely important player for United, if they lose him it will be a blow. Then again if they can get a pile of cash for him I am sure Sir Alco will make good use of it (Just make sure you check the next one can keep appointments Alex ;)).

    Maybe Campbell is going to sign for us.:D

    To be serious I believe the story is Rubbish. There is very little between Campbell and Rio so if Chelsea want anoter defender why have they not offered him the 6 million a year before he signs his new Arsenal contract. Or have they?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,684 ✭✭✭FatherTed


    Anyone who says Rio is not a good defender or a good player, is a fool. As the Muppet says, just look at United's record with and without him. Terry is getting a lot of recognition because he has scored a lot off set pieces thie year. But Rio and Campbell are better.
    As for Maldini, he was great 10 years ago.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,030 ✭✭✭smiaras


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,324 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Seem to be alot of Rio Ferdinand Fan Club members here.
    He is an average defender at best and I aint a Fool.
    Maybe top 20 in the World on a good day.
    I could easily name 10 better central defenders from La Liga,Seria A and the Bundesliga.
    He is a bad tackler,loses concentration too often ,ball watches,doesnt tackle enough and rarely scores a goal from a header.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 ✭✭✭✭PHB


    Can you tell me why then, give me a reason, why United's defense since he returned is second to none?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,006 ✭✭✭✭The Muppet


    PHB wrote:
    Can you tell me why then, give me a reason, why United's defense since he returned is second to none?

    And while he's at it perhaps he can explain why Chelsea are reportedly willing to offer him £6 million a year to join them if better players are so readily available on the continent.

    I saw Geroge Graham recently commenting on Rio and we all know how much of a defensive expert George was.
    :D

    Anyway he said he considered Rio to be one of the best defenders in the world, He's obviously a fan too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,709 ✭✭✭BolBill


    Hes a ball watcher, wait until Shevchenko gets at him.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,866 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    PHB wrote:
    Samuel, was amazing at Roma, although its easier to be a good defender in Italy since everyone defends, however if you have watched him once this season, you would know he lacks the pace/ability to deal with being a defender without the midfield backing him up. Slow, and has had a terrible season this year, which he himself has admitted.

    This makes little sense to me. It's easy to be a good defender in a league where a lot of emphasis is put on defence? Surely the number of quality defenders in Serie A would make an average defender look way out of his depth, and there's a reason why defenders are a high priority - the number of quality attackers they have to defend against. If you said he looked good against the likes of Shevchenko, Adriano, Trezeguet because he had an excellent partner who tidied up for him, it might make more sense, but that was never the case at Roma.

    As for Chelsea, how many quality defenders do they need. Bridge, Gallas, Terry, Carvalho, Ferreira, Johnson (and Cech and Cudicini)... no real weak links there.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,866 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    I could easily name 10 better central defenders from La Liga,Seria A and the Bundesliga.

    Go for it, and highlight the ones from La Liga in bold.


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