Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie
Hi there,
There is an issue with role permissions that is being worked on at the moment.
If you are having trouble with access or permissions on regional forums please post here to get access: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058365403/you-do-not-have-permission-for-that#latest

M28 - Cork to Ringaskiddy [advance works ongoing; 2025 start; 2028 completion]

12931333435

Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,564 ✭✭✭AugustusMinimus


    An enlarged dumbbell with only access towards the city. Disappointing to say the least given the level of development we keep seeing in Carrigaline.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭Hibernicis


    Fair point, given the amount of commuter traffic between Carrigaline to Ringaskiddy. Only compensation is that that traffic will continue use the current N28 (presumably downgraded to a R road) which is not a bad stretch of road, and which will carry a lot less traffic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,564 ✭✭✭AugustusMinimus


    My thoughts are more about junction throughput. Almost all Carrigaline traffic will go through this one junction. I think rush hours will see queues in all directions.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,497 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Great news thank you for that. Fingers crossed we are still on for the original timeline in that case.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,152 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    From that doc;

    II.1.4) Short description: M28 Cork to Ringaskiddy Project will consist of the construction of 10.9km of dual carriageway motorway from the N40 Bloomfield Interchange to Barnahely and 1.5km of single carriageway protected road from Barnahely to the eastern side of Ringaskiddy including all ancillary and consequential works.

    And

    II.2.4) Description of the procurement:


    ...

    It is envisaged to have the construction contract awarded for the 10.9km section in 2024, subject to Approvals required Looks like the SC won't be part of that contract.

    Looks lke the final 1.5km isn't included in that contract, the SC must be a separate contract.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭Hibernicis


    Most positive news we have seen for a while. The MSA and the last section (single carriageway protected road) are being split out. No timeline for the former, the latter to go to tender in the coming months, and the motorway as a single contract later, with that contract award in 2024 subject to the necessary approvals (PSC Gate 3 approval)

    The Proposed M28 Project:

    The proposed M28 Project will consist of the construction of 10.9km of dual carriageway motorway from the N40 Bloomfield Interchange to Barnahely and 1.5km of single carriageway protected road from Barnahely to the eastern side of Ringaskiddy including all ancillary and consequential works. Planning permission for the M28 Project included a Motorway Service Area at the Port of Cork lands in Ringaskiddy but it is not proposed to include this element of construction in the main road development.

    The scheme is to be delivered in a number of contracts, some of which are enabling and advance works already underway, in an effort to de-risk the scheme. Construction of the roadworks will be delivered in two contracts, one of which is the last 1.5km from Barnahely to Ringaskiddy and it is the intention of the Contracting Authority that this section will go to tender in the coming months.

    And

    This document is for information purposes only and to inform the industry that it is expected that the tender process for the M28 Cork to Ringaskiddy Project, commencing with a prequalification stage, will begin in 2023 and it is hoped to commence this in the coming months It is envisaged to have the construction contract awarded for the 10.9km section in 2024, subject to Approvals required.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,347 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    So not a post 2030 opening then 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,012 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    Excellent news. The 1.5km SC section is simple and easy so it makes sense to tender it seperately, even though its probably a very small amount of the scheme cost overall.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,017 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    That looks as short-sighted as not completing the slips on the M9-M7 or the M8-M7 - especially given the growth in Carrigaline and the port itself when it finally opens.

    Just do it right the first time.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 620 ✭✭✭DylanQuestion


    Tree felling alongside Maryborough Ridge has started. The lone tree left so far




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 620 ✭✭✭DylanQuestion


    Well, it's gone now. They've also started the wall




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,188 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    Their "pre-construction" is pretty thorough. Some elements of the final project are actually fully under construction now!



  • Registered Users Posts: 56 ✭✭Norteño




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭kub


    Absolutely it is thorough, I imagine a delay due to find like this could be expensive both on time and money for the contractors;


    https://www.irishcentral.com/roots/history/neolithic-house-discovered-motorway-cork



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,854 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    No, no delays. These days, the archaeological digs are a just another scheduled task in the project. The teams get their time to dig, photograph and catalogue everything, remove anything that they feel needs to be kept, and then when their time is up, the construction begins, on its scheduled time. If there's something big, an extension is possible, but that just means the main project manager starts construction on a different part of the project - no different to if a contractor can't deliver specialised plant on time or any of the many other reasons why delays happen on big jobs.

    It would have to be something of national importance to properly delay a project - something of the scale of a bronze-age royal burial, but those things are big enough to be seen from the air, and we have a very detailed catalogue of potential sites of archaeological value, and that catalogue is consulted during route selection.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭kub


    A completion date of 2030, interesting bit here :


    https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2023/0923/1406858-m28-motorway/



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,347 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    If it goes to construction in early 2025, as stated in the article, it will be open by late 2027/early 2028. It's a 30-36 month build schedule. It won't take 5 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭Hibernicis


    @Cookiemunster

     Best guess is ... a 2024 start

    @Cookiemunster

    I never actually said it would go to construction in 2024.

    You certainly have all your bases covered anyway🤭

    I'm more than happy to stick with 2030 for completion. So apparently are TII and Cork County Council.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,152 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Would it even take that long, it's only 10.9km of motorway?



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users Posts: 376 ✭✭DoubleJoe7


    All talk of "keeping disruption to a minimum" focussed on traffic management and not a word for people living along the route who've had to put up with works going on late into the night. At least two occasions we've had heavy machinery operating outside our bedroom windows after 11pm on week nights and emails of complaints have gone ignored.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,114 ✭✭✭mcburns07


    Suck it up, it’s for a limited time and for the benefit of the public. We’re such a country of whiners and NIMBYs.



  • Registered Users Posts: 376 ✭✭DoubleJoe7


    Yeah I'll tell my small kids who can't sleep to suck it up, cheers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,682 ✭✭✭prunudo


    As a kid I would have been delighted to see machinery working outside my bedroom window.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,152 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    And your parents would have been battering ya back into the bed, which I'm sure is his point.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,347 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    What on earth are you on about? What bases do I have covered? Neither quoted post has me saying that it will start in 2024. You do know what best guess means right?

    Also the article states an early 2025 construction start is expected. If thats true it won't take 5 years to build.

    You've chosen a very odd hill to die on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 620 ✭✭✭DylanQuestion


    Yeah, it isn’t proceeding. The gap between the new wall and the old wall is being filled in. There is a planning permission with the City Council to build a house in between the new slip road and the existing house, so I wonder if we’ll get anymore detail from those planning reports



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,188 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    Start date stated in Mattie McGrath's Prospects 2023 doc to be end 2024 (and finish 2028!), stated as early 2025 in the RTE article. I gotta say, 2025-2030 build time is implausibly long unless they are intentionally stretching this one out, or there is messy traffic management involved. But Dunkettle was messy too and will only be a 3 1/4-year build when done.

    However I'd put the project manager's timeline before Mattie's.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,854 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    Dunkettle had a re-tendering and a pandemic to deal with too.. this scheme will be mostly offline. Three years should do it.

    (The online upgrade of the Ringaskiddy access road seems to have been spun off as a separate project, and will probably run in parallel)



  • Advertisement
  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,347 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    The timeline on the official site is 30-36 months. I didn't pluck that figure out of the air.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,497 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    The main construction contract has gone to tender:

    Estimated value €150m.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,497 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Nothing remarkable in here but the publication of the tender for the main construction contract being reported by local press



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,152 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Assuming the contractor can start next year (which should be the case as the tenders should be returned before the end of this year), it should be completed by 2027 at the latest. It's less than 11km, shouldn't take more than 2 years to build.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,497 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    The only truly difficult part will be the online works from Carrs Hill to the N40 including the new Maryborough Hill overbridge. That’ll be tricky from a traffic management point of view but Carrs Hill south will be fairly straightforward



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,152 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Yeah, I assume works will begin simultaneously at the northern and southern ends with the works at the northern end being a slow burner and being a building site for pretty much the duration of the project while the works from the southern end progressing northwards to eventually meet it.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,517 ✭✭✭cjpm


    In an ideal world.

    However we have the most incompetent Transport Minister in the history of the state who has taken it on himself to delay any road projects as long as he possibly can.

    You actually couldn’t make this shiiit up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,136 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Not incompetent. He needs to appeal to the very large out of touch and also the lunatic fringe in his party (like that nice chap telling us to grow mushrooms in multi-storey car parks - that's what you're dealing with). It's on purpose. Thankfully the greens will be gone soon and we can get back to business.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 620 ✭✭✭DylanQuestion


    Will they be knocking the Maryborough Hill overbridhe, or extending it on either side?



  • Registered Users Posts: 56 ✭✭Norteño


    One can only hope....


    (I quite like the mushroom idea, though 😂)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,033 ✭✭✭blindsider


    Seems to be a fair bit of activity on the western side of the Shannonpark roundabout. It's hard to see much from the road, especially as you drive around the roundabout. There were approx. 20 cars visible there today. There does seem to be a fair bit of 'offline' work continuing [fingers crossed/]



  • Advertisement
  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,497 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭Hibernicis




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 419 ✭✭TheSunIsShining


    I'd say 4 lanes would fit under. Assume, if they do, that there would be no hard shoulder there and crash barriers to prevent hitting the bridge piers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭Hibernicis




    The overbridge at Maryborough Hill will have to be demolished and rebuilt to accommodate the additional width of the mainline M28.

    Fun times ahead !!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 620 ✭✭✭DylanQuestion


    Plus the lanes on the actual bridge will be extended two. Currently it's one lane in both ways, a footpath and a tiny sliver of a footpath. It will be changed to proper footpaths on both side, a cycle lane and three car lanes (one in either direction and a turning lane). I'm just not sure if they're demolishing the whole thing, or if they will widen the existing bridge at either side. I didn't consider it not being wide enough, below, though, so we'll see I guess. Let's hope the signage here is better than the Dunkettle signage




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭Hibernicis


    I'm just not sure if they're demolishing the whole thing, or if they will widen the existing bridge at either side.

    Per my previous post, the bridge will be demolished and rebuilt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 620 ✭✭✭DylanQuestion


    Sorry, I wasn't sure if you were speculating or not



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 419 ✭✭TheSunIsShining




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭cantalach


    Presumably they’ll drop a temporary bridge in place parallel to the existing one while they demolish and rebuild the latter. It wouldn’t seem feasible that a road as busy as that could be completely closed for months.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 620 ✭✭✭DylanQuestion


    Ever since the roadworks started, Maryborough Hill has become really busy northbound, especially in the mornings (but even in the evenings too). Getting out of Broadale is next to impossible in the mornings, especially as a cyclist, given the lack of traffic lights or a yellow box. There is also no pedestrian crossing to get to the busy bus stop, full of kids every morning. The easier option to get out is probably to go up to the roundabout, but I can't imagine the roundabout being able to handle that level of traffic with cars trying to get off the backroad to Carrigaline or Garryduff Road. I can only imagine what it's like trying to get out of the tiny exit out of Maryborough Ridge



  • Advertisement
Advertisement