Bush authorized 911 attacks??

joseph brand

Cunning Bush

Alex Jones' interview of Stanley Hilton, attorney for 911 taxpayers' lawsuit.

Stanley Hilton was a senior advisor to Sen Bob Dole (R) and has personally known Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz for decades. This courageous man has risked his professional reputation, and possibly his life, to get this information out to people.

The following is from his latest visit to Alex Jones' radio show.

"This (9/11) was all planned. This was a government-ordered operation. Bush personally signed the order. He personally authorized the attacks. He is guilty of treason and mass murder." --Stanley Hilton

David19

Controversial...

BolBill

Believable, the yanks are capable of anything. They are completley ruled by fear, so much so, they vote that muppet in for fear of change.

Nuttzz

The hijackers were U.S. undercover agents. They were double agents, paid by the FBI and the CIA to spy on Arab groups in this country.

Why would they kill themselves? No sane person would do what they did just for money.

Hairy Homer

When people stop believing in the Holy Trinity, the Immaculate Conception and Transubstantiation, it's no longer the case that they believe nothing. Rather, it's that they'll believe anything.

I didn't say that. Somebody clever did. But I'd go along with it.

This is alot easier to believe than the US getting payback from Islamic terrorists. :rolleyes:

Hobbes

I would prefer to go with "Bush is an idiot" as to the reason.

But way too much doesn't add up on what happened on that day. The numerous reports handed to him, His stalling in the school (which would of been a target), the delay in shutting down the airplanes, the delay in the shooting down order, the coverup on some areas like stocks on the day and the people who happened to be in NY on the day.

But even if this was true, absolutly nothing is going to happen. If you can have people like Gary Webb who are able to "commit suicide" by two gunshot wounds to the head, or the Enron stoolie who also committed suicide just days before he was supposed to spill information.

So I think Bush could quite easily keep this quiet.

Btw, anyone who has read Operation Northwoods will know this kind of senario isn't new.

daveirl

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Viva La Revolution!

That fat bastard Michael Moore has alot of sh*t stirring to answer for :mad:

garthv

not that i dont agree...
but if bush had oredered the whole operation,to what end?
to kill saddam?
to attack the Bin Laden family?(who,coincidentally,had a lot of fingers in Bush's pies)

GaRtH_V

GaRtH_V wrote:

not that i dont agree...
but if bush had oredered the whole operation,to what end?
to kill saddam?
to attack the Bin Laden family?(who,coincidentally,had a lot of fingers in Bush's pies)

Imagine if the whole thing was down to a family vendetta? Far fetched but you never know.
For example, "My Daddy tried to bring you down and now it's my turn..." Oh and then there is all the oil thing as well... God thats scary.

DirtyDog

I think Jack Bauer had something to do with it....

Hobbes

ronoc wrote:

That fat bastard Michael Moore has alot of sh*t stirring to answer for :mad:

He has nothing to do with it. Anything he talked about was known for some time. Just never overly reported in US press.

but if bush had oredered the whole operation,to what end?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism_(United_States)
http://www.harpers.org/BaghdadYearZero.html
http://www.tompaine.com/articles/the_delusional_is_no_longer_marginal.php (although his somewhat fanatical beliefs would only make this speculation).

They are completly spurious accusations but if you were to try and imagine reasons why the attack would be ordered by Bush then just look at who the biggest benefactors have been since 911.

Defence and oil companies.
With Bushs links to both through the Carlyle group etc its not hard to see the greed behind the attacks.

hope that made sense,just in from an xmas pub lunch....

Nuttzz

nonsense nixmix, if this was the case the first democrat that got into the white house would announce "look what i found" leaving bush and co open to massive legal actions such as the one this chap is pursuing.

Hobbes

Nuttzz wrote:

If this was the case the first demcorat that got into the white house would announce "look what i found" leaving bush and co open to massive legal actions such as the one this chap is pursuing.

Its a good thing then that Bush passed a law just shortly after entering into office that stops anyone from doing this.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A20731-2001Oct31

Nuttzz

mad sh1t that!

Bush is expected to sign the order shortly

has it been signed though?

Hobbes

http://www.ala.org/Template.cfm?Section=Intellectual_Freedom_Issues&Template=/ContentManagement/ContentDisplay.cfm&ContentID=2417

do a search for Order 13233 for more information.

Moriarty

Let's see...

A group of muslim fundamentalists decide to attack America. They think of the highest profile targets in the country. New York/WTC, the Pentagon, possibly the white house with the 4th plane. They enter the US like thousands of others every day under questionable documents. They lay low and train to fly the planes. US intelligence is too incompetent to put the pieces together/there aren't enough pieces to be put together. The attacks succeed.


... or ...


There's a massive conspiracy throughout the entire US government and military, along with countless other countrys that are needed to reinforce the lies that need to be told. Some shadowy group decide the only way to win the next election/go to war with iraq/whatever is to kill a few thousand americans. Not a single person out of the thousands that would have to be involved says a peep about it after.


I know which I'm more likely to believe, that's for sure.

dahamsta

joseph brand wrote:

Alex Jones' interview of Stanley Hilton, attorney for 911 taxpayers' lawsuit.

Listen to the actual interview, even if you're not really interested, in particular the backing track for the first few seconds. Laugh heartily.

While what Moriarty says is logical and sensible, logic and sense often go out the window when it comes to politics and fear. Me, I think it's ridiculous to think that Bush "ordered" anything, at least not on his own. He simply doesn't have the brains. And I doubt Bush's puppetmasters knew exactly what was going to happen, so I doubt they ordered anything either, whether on their own or via Bush.

But I do believe quite sincerely that they knew something was going to happen; that it wasn't going to be trivial; and that they allowed it to happen because they knew it would serve them politically and financially. And by "allowed" I don't mean that they deliberately ignored intelligence that was put in front of their eyes, but that they deliberately refused to "see" it in the first place. (A bit like plausible deniability.)

As to the fact people haven't come forward, well, fear would have a fair amount to play there. American people are subconciously scared witless at the moment, on many levels. And right or wrong, keep watching those screens folks, because there will be a scandal at some stage. Might not be for decades, but it always comes out in the wash. Always. Even JFK, some day.

adam

Hobbes

Moriarty wrote:

Not a single person out of the thousands that would have to be involved says a peep about it after.

You wouldn't need 1000's although easily that amount of people knew it was going to happen. I mean if a kid in a local school is warning people a few days beforehand that it was going to happen, you can bet the president knew about it (especially when he was handed reports detailing it).

Also notice how the Anthrax attacks where all swept away after it was shown it wasn't AQ nor Iraq that did them (even though Iraq was getting more of the blame). Also strange that the whitehouse staff were told to take Cipro a week or so before the first attacks happened.

Or how about the mossad agents caught filming the incident who said they had prior knowledge of it?

Or Bushs famous "If I had known the extent of what would of happened I would of stopped it" speech, when accused he had prior knowledge (refused to deny he knew it was going to happen).

Like I said there is just way too much that doesn't add up.

Seaneh

Next thing you know people will be saying that the freemasons did it.

dahamsta

Seaneh wrote:

Next thing you know people will be saying that the freemasons did it.

That's ridiculous. Everyone knows it was Opus Dei.

talos

this hole story reminds me of Robert Ludlum. this would be good material for him.

arcadegame2004

I'll believe it only when it's proved. Sorry but this theory seems way too far fetched to be believed on face value.

gandalf

Why do people give these conspiracy theories any time at all. The US authorities messed up royally because they were complacent, they didn't believe they could or would be hit.

I mean what next Osama Bin Laden to run for US President :rolleyes:

Meh

daveirl wrote:

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Yeah, and it's the same people who bash Bush for being too stupid to tie his shoelaces who also credit him with being an evil genius who masterminded the 911 attacks. Make up your minds, people!

Hobbes

There was never any evidence of WMD. Do a search on this forum, there is a link to a movie where it is discussed in more detail.

As for Bush being an evil mastermind.. everyone knows Karl Rove is the true mastermind.

spongebob

Hobbes wrote:

Or how about the mossad agents caught filming the incident who said they had prior knowledge of it?

Like I said there is just way too much that doesn't add up.

The thread story is quite unbelievable IMO but the Mossad story is true . They were arrested on the day and released quietly later. The Israelis are adamant they warned the US that Osama was 'up to something' the month before the attack.

http://ww1.sundayherald.com/37707

M

daveirl

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TomF

I love postings like this because they smoke-out the truly nutty for future reference and understanding.

keu

I dont think it is entirely suprising that there are so many conspiracies surrounding the events, particularly when there is so much evidence which suggest bush and bin laden families corporate interests.
Whether the events were conducted deliberately or seen as an oppertunistic is debatable, but anyone who thinks that a govt. couldn't concieve such a plot is very naive.

If bin laden and his terrorist organisation really did want to hit America hard, why fly planes into the twin towers or the pentagon? Symbolic representations of the wealth and security of America?
why not just fly them into a few nuclear reactors and be done with it?

sovtek

daveirl wrote:

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Calling Bush bad names based on questionable evidence is quite a bit different to killing 100,000 people based on questionable evidence.
That said this claim by Hilton is serious garbage...or rather his "evidence" is.
I still believe in the "they let it happen on purpose"...rather than being actively involved themselves (the Bushies).

therecklessone

TomF wrote:

I love postings like this because they smoke-out the truly nutty for future reference and understanding.

But we smoked you out ages ago???

Memnoch

Nuttzz wrote:

Why would they kill themselves? No sane person would do what they did just for money.

kill themselves? Who is THEMSELVES? you think all americans are as one? You must be living in a fantasy world if you think this..

there is no "THEMSELVES". There are selfish people thorughout the world and throughout history.

People murder, rape, pillage for money and sometimes even less than that.

My father once saved the life of a man who was stabbed over 50 cents. 50 cents and he was nearly stabbed to death over it.

For people like G. W. Bush there is no "us". They only think of themselves. Off course this is something I've always said from day 1. I mean the Bush administration is a pile of corrupt bastards. They are happy to send american soldiers to die for their greed. They are happy to murder 100k+ innocent iraqis for their greed.

You really think they give even the slightest bit of concern to a couple of thousand ordinary american joes????

This has to be the most naieve thing i've heard in my life.

Memnoch

daveirl wrote:

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no there wasn't. There was no evidence apart from the fabrications of the Bush administration. I have always said from DAY 1 that nothing would be found. Though I did think they might try to plant something there in order to "find it". But it was obvious there was nothing. Because if there had been something they wouldn't have had to lie about it so much

Memnoch

Meh wrote:

Yeah, and it's the same people who bash Bush for being too stupid to tie his shoelaces who also credit him with being an evil genius who masterminded the 911 attacks. Make up your minds, people!

Bush himself is stupid... but the people with him and behind him certainly aren't. He's simply an ignorant spoilt figurine.

Memnoch

gandalf wrote:

Why do people give these conspiracy theories any time at all. The US authorities messed up royally because they were complacent, they didn't believe they could or would be hit.

I mean what next Osama Bin Laden to run for US President :rolleyes:

tell me gandalf? why is it SO unbelievable?

Have there been not the acts of great atrocities throughout history? and even in our world today fueled by insatiable human greed for wealth and power?

Look at the Bush administration and everything they have done..

from the mass murder in iraq..
to fabricating this WMD rubbish before the war...
they had no qualms about bombing all of afghanasthan into a pile of rubble only to hand it back into the hands of muslim extremists
and they have no qualms about thousands of american soldiers being killed and maimed for their greed.
throughout the world they support brutal and corrupt regimes that commit countless crimes against humanity.
they even try to topple popular democratic government through coups if it suits their interest (venezuela)

So why do you think that even for a moment if it suited them that they would care about the lives of a couple of thousand ordinary americans?

I mean by now it must be obvious to even the most dim that Bush and his pals have gained the most from 9/11. In political and financial capital.

So tell me? Why is it just a conspiracy theory to be casually dismissed when one considers all of the above?

Memnoch

Moriarty wrote:

Let's see...

A group of muslim fundamentalists decide to attack America. They think of the highest profile targets in the country. New York/WTC, the Pentagon, possibly the white house with the 4th plane. They enter the US like thousands of others every day under questionable documents. They lay low and train to fly the planes. US intelligence is too incompetent to put the pieces together/there aren't enough pieces to be put together. The attacks succeed.


... or ...


There's a massive conspiracy throughout the entire US government and military, along with countless other countrys that are needed to reinforce the lies that need to be told. Some shadowy group decide the only way to win the next election/go to war with iraq/whatever is to kill a few thousand americans. Not a single person out of the thousands that would have to be involved says a peep about it after.


I know which I'm more likely to believe, that's for sure.

your entire dismissal rests upon this thousands needing to be involved... why should that be so? black ops are done time and time again in numerous countries by various intelligence agencies... i suppose none of them exist because supposedly the thousands involved would have spoken out by now if they did.

Personally i agree with dahmasta, I don't think they planned it, but I'm certain they knew it was coming and purposefully LET it happen.

Moriarty

Two things memnoch.

1) You realise you can actually reply to everyone in the one post, yeah? Easier to keep the thread together that way.

2) You're delusional, but then I've always known that.

MrPudding

arcadegame2004 wrote:

I'll believe it only when it's proved. Sorry but this theory seems way too far fetched to be believed on face value.

It is amazing what people will take at face value and without proof, facts or figures. The Bilble for example.

There is even a plonker here on boards that believes that because 50 000 people came to Ireland from the new accession countries in the first 6 months that the Irish will be outnumbered in their own country in 34 years.

Like I say it is amazing what some people will believe or even make up without any basis in fact.

MrP

Memnoch

Moriarty wrote:

Two things memnoch.

1) You realise you can actually reply to everyone in the one post, yeah? Easier to keep the thread together that way.

2) You're delusional, but then I've always known that.

if i'm delusional then you are blissfully ignorant, but lets not get started on personal insults and flame wars :P

Moriarty

Merry christmas you bastard

joseph brand

Why is there no talk of the attack on the Pentagon now, and 911 is in our Ears more than them F**king ringtone commercials??

Am I wrong??

That Boeing 757 was shot down over the Atlantic, easy task for Navy.

Tell the men it is terrorists, .. .. watch them scramble to be 1st to shoot tit down.

Shouting "Woohoooo Woohooo, Yeah, Woohooo!!" (Yanks, 'ALL' of them)

sovtek

joseph brand wrote:

Shouting "Woohoooo Woohooo, Yeah, Woohooo!!" (Yanks, 'ALL' of them)

Smile when ya say that...:)
*Three sixty sixteeeeeeeeeeee* :cool:

Lennoxschips

I mean what next Osama Bin Laden to run for US President

Or Osama Bin Laden to release video three days before election, thus influencing the outcome of Ohio and handing the Presidency to Bush.

Nah, it would never happen.

SkepticOne

It all makes sense now.

Nuttzz

Memnoch wrote:

kill themselves? Who is THEMSELVES? you think all americans are as one? You must be living in a fantasy world if you think this..

there is no "THEMSELVES". There are selfish people thorughout the world and throughout history.

People murder, rape, pillage for money and sometimes even less than that.

My father once saved the life of a man who was stabbed over 50 cents. 50 cents and he was nearly stabbed to death over it.

For people like G. W. Bush there is no "us". They only think of themselves. Off course this is something I've always said from day 1. I mean the Bush administration is a pile of corrupt bastards. They are happy to send american soldiers to die for their greed. They are happy to murder 100k+ innocent iraqis for their greed.

You really think they give even the slightest bit of concern to a couple of thousand ordinary american joes????

This has to be the most naieve thing i've heard in my life.

what have you being drinking, themselves as in the hijackers

DublinWriter

GaRtH_V wrote:

not that i dont agree...
but if bush had oredered the whole operation,to what end?
to kill saddam?
to attack the Bin Laden family?(who,coincidentally,had a lot of fingers in Bush's pies)

Well, the recent BBC documentry 'States of Fear' went into great detail about who would benefit.

As for the conpiracy, I'm still wavering. There's lots of suspicious things, like for example the CIA finding one of the hijackers passports in the smouldering ruins of the Twin Towers site a few days after, one of the hijackers cases not being tranferred onto a connecting flight (in which the FBI found lots of evidence), and the Pentagon strike where not one identifiable piece of aircraft was ever recovered and the security video tapes from a nearby gas-station were consfiscated and never shown publically.

These are just three things, dig around on Google and you'll find plenty, ranging from the plausable to the downright cracked.

This might well be the JFK assination of the 21st Century (I do believe Oswald was the lone gunman) and there are way too many loose ends.

One thing is for certain, expect the Oliver Stone biopic anytime soon.

monument

Nuttzz wrote:

Why would they kill themselves? No sane person would do what they did just for money.

Memnoch wrote:

For people like G. W. Bush there is no "us". They only think of themselves. Off course this is something I've always said from day 1. I mean the Bush administration is a pile of corrupt bastards. They are happy to send american soldiers to die for their greed. They are happy to murder 100k+ innocent iraqis for their greed..

Without getting caught up (too much) in conspiracy theories; more of a comment on general politics… How naive does one have to be to believe that Bush, the neocons, the bosses at New Labour, and even most of FF, give a rat's ass about anyone other then their selves, their friends, or the people under their tents?

If one wants to they can justify any action. Let’s say a mindset of dropping a few bombs on a few cities over and over again is seeing as fine… what next? Wiping out cities to end wars? What next?

You can do any thing if you believe any means justifies your concept of an end.