Thor 3 reception

Tony

Hi Guys does any one here have recption of the east european beam of Thor 3 in Ireland? Footprint maps are pretty unrelaible so I'm guessing it needs 1.8m plus. I'm particularly looking for two channels called BBTV and Diema 2

Thanks and happy christmas

Ronan|Raven

Hmm looking at reports on kingofsat and it seems some are getting some frequencies off it using 1.2m in england. Id imagine you would need about 1.8 to be guarenteed a good strong signal from it. I know I have tried once in a moment of sillyness on the 1m here and no joy

watty

Outside footprint as far as this you would need a reliable sighting.

A 1.8m is expensive experiment. Esp if it needs a 3m.


Happy Christmas!

Hire the dish in Middleton Co.Cork for an 1/2 hour and see what the signal strength is :-)

Tony

Ronan|Raven wrote:

Hmm looking at reports on kingofsat and it seems some are getting some frequencies off it using 1.2m in england. Id imagine you would need about 1.8 to be guarenteed a good strong signal from it. I know I have tried once in a moment of sillyness on the 1m here and no joy

AFAIK a 1.8 has been tried without success using a .3 invacom lnb, wonder has anyone here gota 2m ?

Mr.M

before i put up and motorised my 1m dish i had a 1.2m fixed dish a 1w and i was able to pull in some channels like tv finland. i was only getting about 15%-20% signal strength but if i had a 1.5m i think i'd be able to get them.

telecinesk

I saw thor3 reception in wicklow on a 1.5m dish but to say the least it was ropey. A mate of mine was trying it for the crack.

Tony

telecinesk wrote:

I saw thor3 reception in wicklow on a 1.5m dish but to say the least it was ropey. A mate of mine was trying it for the crack.

do you happen to know which beam he was watching?

kramlq

I think Zaphod said in another thread that he cannot get nordic beams on either thor or sirius. Thats on a 2.4m dish, so it looks like 3-4.5m would be needed (and probably a syntec or invacom LNB). He didn't mention what part of the country he is located in though.

TV Finland/DR1/DR2 are available on Intelsat1002, so any reception of these is not enough to justify buying that larger dish. A 90cm should be sufficient for the channels on Intelsat1002 but they are mostly encrypted.

Eircom have a nice big dish (12m ?) on the side of the Dublin Road in Castletroy. They probably wont be around on christmas day....

@Tony
Thor 3 only has one beam (nordic region)

Eurorunner

I can pickup thor3 ie. canal plus etc, here in west of irl. with 80cm lidl dish - even though the location is way off the footprint for this sat. However, the signal is weak and tends to get terminally weak late at night. I reckon i need a 1.2m to receive it comfortably.

No good at all with viasat on sirius unfortunately...

Jimmyireland

I can pick up Canal+ in South West Ireland with a 1m dish. I can lose the Kiosk channels in bad weather

Ronan|Raven

Canal+ is on thor2. I get a great signal from it Kiosk etc stay solid at 50% a lot of the time even in heavy rain.

Eurorunner

Ronan|Raven wrote:

Canal+ is on thor2. I get a great signal from it Kiosk etc stay solid at 50% a lot of the time even in heavy rain.

Yer dead right Ronan. Disregard my previous post then.

telecinesk

Re Thor 3.
It was low. We had a polariser and some fairly expensive LNB and a Nokia9600.
On the signal meter it was V low but was doable. Id have to call my mate again and find out but its not easy to pull in.

Same goes for some of the russian stuff on seasat 36E too, footprint says Id have trouble getting the russian beams.... Footprints are never so accurate. In near Slovak / Hungarian frontier btw Thor3 full scale here of course.

I will try to find out what we did in Wicklow and see if it helps.It was 2 yrs ago so memory is poor..
Arent those channels Bulgarian? Theres more on Sirus which is easier to pull in, we tried Sirius too and in Wicklow it worked btw.>#

Tony

kramlq wrote:

@Tony
Thor 3 only has one beam (nordic region)

hate to disagree but it actually says east europe on this page http://www.lyngsat.com/thor3.html , the one I'm particularly interested in is called Diema, has anyone seen this channel ?

telecinesk

Tony
Thats in Conax> I tried it earlier today. Does your customer(I guess) have a Bulgarian address in order to subscribe?
I sent an email to my mate on reception so I will try to get back asap.

Cheers..

Mr.M

if it's only diema you're looking for then there's no need to get any big dish. just point the dish to either 16e or 39e and you can get diema on both of them sats. it's in cryptoworks on 16e and irdeto2 on 39e

Tony

telecinesk wrote:

Tony
Thats in Conax> I tried it earlier today. Does your customer(I guess) have a Bulgarian address in order to subscribe?
I sent an email to my mate on reception so I will try to get back asap.

Cheers..

Yeah its in conax and customer has card already, he also mentioned a channel called BBTV maybe you could chack that for me too.

Appreciate all the help guys

Tony

Mr.M wrote:

if it's only diema you're looking for then there's no need to get any big dish. just point the dish to either 16e or 39e and you can get diema on both of them sats. it's in cryptoworks on 16e and irdeto2 on 39e

Thanks for the info but this guy tells me he can only get a conax card for this.

kramlq

Tony wrote:

hate to disagree but it actually says east europe on this page http://www.lyngsat.com/thor3.html , the one I'm particularly interested in is called Diema, has anyone seen this channel ?

On www.thor-satellites.com, telenor call it the 'Nordic Region/Central and Eastern European' beam. I just hadn't bothered typing the last part of the beam name. But its just that one beam, and is very difficult to get in Ireland.

If you look on usenet for reception reports of thor3 around the time it launched ('98), people in Ireland were able to get a handlful of analogue (D2MAC) channels on dishes from 1.5-1.8m (and reports of getting 1 channel with a 1.2m). But analogue reception and dish size does not translate well to digital reception.

Unless telecinesk can provide us with with some good news for thor3 reception, its probably best to say to your customer that they can:
- pay a lot for a large dish and be able to use that conax card, but maybe not in rain, or for 24/7 viewing.
- pay for a normal dish (1m should be ok for 16e or 39e), but have the hassle of trying to obtain an irdeto2 or cryptoworks card.

Even with the sometimes ridiculous markup added by an out-of-region card vendor, I'd say the second option is probably cheaper and would provide better all-round reception.

Tony

Thanks for clarifying that with the extra info

kramlq wrote:

On www.thor-satellites.com, telenor call it the 'Nordic Region/Central and Eastern European' beam. I just hadn't bothered typing the last part of the beam name. But its just that one beam, and is very difficult to get in Ireland.

telecinesk

Hi Tony,
Here goes, I called my friend just now.(excuse to hear some english I suppose).
Prime focus 1.8M dish with California Amplifier LNB and 0.5db noise figure with an IRTE Feedhorn and magnetic polariser.
His reception of the nordic beam of Sirus for the Tv3 channels is constant but low.
Thor 3 is weak but doable also.
Im in same position over astra2D here funnily enough,its off the edge in reality.
Real thought is a 2.4M dish, or if yerman can get a cryptoworks card go for 16E, its a LOT less hassle.

Thats about all I can suggest. A lot of expense...

BKTV is in the clear on 11823H with a load of slovak stuff too. btw

Tony

Thanks for the info, i'll get cracking on that

telecinesk wrote:

Hi Tony,
Here goes, I called my friend just now.(excuse to hear some english I suppose).
Prime focus 1.8M dish with California Amplifier LNB and 0.5db noise figure with an IRTE Feedhorn and magnetic polariser.
His reception of the nordic beam of Sirus for the Tv3 channels is constant but low.
Thor 3 is weak but doable also.
Im in same position over astra2D here funnily enough,its off the edge in reality.
Real thought is a 2.4M dish, or if yerman can get a cryptoworks card go for 16E, its a LOT less hassle.

Thats about all I can suggest. A lot of expense...

BKTV is in the clear on 11823H with a load of slovak stuff too. btw

telecinesk

Just to add, theres a channel called DenTv which is also clear,tends to show english with Bulgarian subtitles.It on same beam.
I think thats a lot of hassle for reception in Ireland and no guarintees if its going to work but if it does work let us know.

Good luck, if its the case try Amos 4W too. That is v spotbeam,, More on that tho Ukraine and Hungarian networks are dominant..
Cheers.

Doodler

Tony,

My receiver can pick up a signal varying between 26% and 54% quality on 12303v, 12322v, 12456v, and 12476v, all of which are listed by Lyngsat as being on the Thor3 beam. Channel names check out. On a 1.2m in Dublin. Zero signal on the other listed frequencies so a 1.2m won't meet your requirements but maybe a 1.5 will.

Tony

Thanks for the info very useful

Doodler wrote:

Tony,

My receiver can pick up a signal varying between 26% and 54% quality on 12303v, 12322v, 12456v, and 12476v, all of which are listed by Lyngsat as being on the Thor3 beam. Channel names check out. On a 1.2m in Dublin. Zero signal on the other listed frequencies so a 1.2m won't meet your requirements but maybe a 1.5 will.