to drink or not to drink

golden gal

i was at a party last night and the majority of the people there got pissed off their faces. i'm not anti-drink or anything but i was just thinging why do people feel the need to drink? why do you drink? most of it tastes crap! apart from the obvious "to get drunk" why do you drink?

Tusky

golden gal wrote:

i was at a party last night and the majority of the people there got pissed off their faces. i'm not anti-drink or anything but i was just thinging why do people feel the need to drink? why do you drink? most of it tastes crap! apart from the obvious "to get drunk" why do you drink?

Why do people drink ? Think about it.....Im sure you can answer this one yourself.

Invader Zim

It is possible to have just one or two you know.

Most people do it to relax - it makes conversation and ice breaking easier.

Some people drink to get drunk though. This is different to the above as it is more about ones love for the direct effect of the ethanol on the brain and not the socially derived pleasure that it can help create.

Ro: maaan!

Just because people drink it doesn't mean they feel the need to drink. It's something most people associate a party with. Getting pissed can be quite fun. I'm sure most of these people don't drink all day every day.

I quite like the taste of beer. It's nice to have one or two pints without getting drunk. But when I'm in the mood to, getting plastered is also quite enjoyable.

Zaph

Originally posted by golden gal

most of it tastes crap!

I beg to differ. Sure there are a lot of evil tasting drinks out there, but I genuinely love the taste of good beer, fine wine, good quality whiskey, etc. Doesn't mean I want to get off my face every time I drink them.

Tommy Vercetti

zaph wrote:

Doesn't mean I want to get off my face every time I drink them.

meh I do :rolleyes:

The_B_Man

i was out last night. had at most 3 pints. usually i go out and get wasted. but buskers was crap last night. first time i was there. last too.
i woke up this morning with money in my wallet. twas EXCELLENT!!

dangerman

The_B_Man wrote:

i was out last night. had at most 3 pints. usually i go out and get wasted. but buskers was crap last night. first time i was there. last too.
i woke up this morning with money in my wallet. twas EXCELLENT!!

you had at most 3 pints? It sounds like you're not exactly sure. Might want to cut it back to 1.

elivsvonchiaing

Think there are 3 types of drunks: kids (15 - 21 - hell 25 even; I'm old) - just exploring limits. Adults - I hate my job, my relationship, life issues etc just letting off steam (18-35 & strangely 40 something- 55).

The true alcoholic - 15 - 95!

Dooid

I guess it's kinda generalizing but I find that Irish people do feel the 'need' to drink and get pissed. I drink very rarely but I find that if there is a group of people out for the night and somebody decides not to drink they are treated with suspicion and resentment. It's as though they are breaking some unwritten rule and putting the groups enjoyment in jeopardy. The amount of times I have to refuse drink is mind-boggling, the same people keep asking and asking and asking, its like Mrs. Doyle in Father Ted. Sure there are loads of people who drink sensibly and have a good time but I really think there is an oppressive 'lets get pissed' mindset out there, it's as though people need to drink as much as possible to convince themselves that they are enjoying themselves; ands let's face it, some of the clubs in Dublin are so crap you almost have to be pissed. Anyway that's my little rant

JackKelly

meh, i dont see the need to get locked, but thats just me. Like a few people above, i'd have at most 3 pints. Usually just as im thirsty!

Lump

Dooid wrote:

I guess it's kinda generalizing but I find that Irish people do feel the 'need' to drink and get pissed.

Since moving to england, I think you'll find that Irish people go out to socialise. When i came to england, the english are great for saying I'm going for one or two only. That's all they do. However, the Irish go to the pub.... that's it.

On the other hand when English people go out... They go out to get fúcked. I've found that the irish go out to have a laugh... I've left the pub after a couple of pints cause it's been a **** night etc.

Drink is drink...I don't think anyone Needs to drink unless the actually have a problem.


And going to a party people tend to drink. It's all about having fun...

John

Tiriel

right now I would LOVE a pint of Carlsberg.
hmm. why?
cos It'd be nice and cold and refreshing
then I'd order another..
why?
cos the first went down so well.. it gave me an appetite!!
I like beer.. that's why I drink it. If I didn't enjoy it I wouldn't drink it.
Sometimes I drink it because I'm thirsty. Sometimes because I want to just blur everything out in my head and relax. Alcohol does this for me.. not drinking excessively.. just a few pints and I feel more relaxed and less wound up with days events.

So. In moderation drink is great. And it is also great to get drunk and have a good time.. once you are enjoying yourself and not making somebody elses night a misery. Roll on Tuesday nite when exams are over!!!

Dooid

It is fun to be pissed sometimes too, lets not forget that! All I'm saying is that I think the Irish, in general, have a problem with drink. If you guys don't great, go for it! I don't drink because I don't like the taste of it, I wish I did though, I wish I liked Guiness because people really seem to enjoy it.

The_B_Man

wats the problem? we drink loads and get drunk! thts wats meant to happen wen u drink loads. a problem would be drinkin loads and not gettin drunk!

ah c'mon though, seriously, if it wasnt in the papers every 2 minutes would we be thinkin there was a problem? i dont even know any alcoholics!

Tiriel

well it's a culture thing.. we like to go out and have a few pints with friends in the late evening / nite time. This is our primary method of socialising.. and involves alcohol consumption!!! but in general.. I think it's a good thing. I mean it's great for people to go out and meet up and chat.. and alcohol often enables people to deal with feelings and emotions they would be too embarrassed or shy to discuss with their closest friends when sober.
so if it encourages people to be more open and honest in relationships.. then it's not all bad!
of course if it changes your personality and causes you to become depressed or hostile then steer clear of it.

Ida

Stopped drinking 9 years ago and never looked back. Drink is messy, so messy. Ever see the state of a place after people have been drinking? In contrast to a place where people have been either not drinking or doing something else... I have - worked in pubs, clubs, theatres, cafes, etc. and jaysus if working in pubs didn't further open my eyes and confirm some suspicions/thoughts on alcohol.

Not drinking lost me some drinking buddies and I really learned who my friends are. It meant I had better conversations - more 'real' - and made better connections with people. It also meant that if my night wasn't really worthy of my time and energy, then I could go home and do something else (read, study, tv, film, chat, write, whatever) and actually enjoy the 20 minute taxi drive home. Not drinking has enhanced my life and my relationships with people I socialise with. Drinking was fine for what it was, but it is not necessary for socialising and certainly doesn't enhance it. Maybe you feel better when you are drinking alcohol, maybe it dissolves your inhibitions, maybe lots of things change for you that you feel are for the better, but have you ever experimented with the placebo effect on this one? I betcha if you were given drinks that tasted of alcohol (such as non-alcoholic beer) and were out with your mates, who were all drinking and being their normal selves when they're drinking, then you would have as good or better a time. And the next day, you would feel wonderful - because you had a great time and you didn't drink a depressant, which is what alcohol is.

Rant over

... and if you believe that!

Yeah so and another thing... people in Ireland have a weird thing about alcohol. Some people refuse to order me a Coke/7up/whatever and some people ask me about 10 times what I'm drinking when I say a Coke/whatever... and most people assume I can't afford alcohol and say "it's okay, I'll get it". So it seems the only reason I wouldn't be drinking alcohol is because I can't afford it? Jaysus

Lump

I refuse to buy people non alcoholic drinks.... Why would I spend €1.50 on a coke? Fúcking rip off... tbh if minerals were cheaper I'd probably drink them....


John

elivsvonchiaing

Cork_girl wrote:

of course if it changes your personality and causes you to become depressed or hostile then steer clear of it.

This is precisley the problem. Most people know how to enjoy a good night out. It's the few obnoxious bad eggs ruining things for eveyone that are the problem.

Been at concerts where drink was suddenly turned off. (Being an er "buddhist" luckily no thoughts of lynching the cúnt responsible really crossed my mind (how do I find the fcuker?) - if I did identify the cúnt the the dharma, the sangha and the Buddha were out the window ,and he (invariably) (it always a male asshole) could look forward to defenestration)

In Summary: I get drunk from time to time. I don't ruin everything for everyone when I do. When I see this I go Ballistic!

Ida

yeah but answer me this...

why are people more comfortable buying me a Long Island Iced Tea (about a million euros) than buying me a glass of diluted blackcurrant (about a euro)?
BTW, i leave the Long Island Iced Tea to go flat just to teach them a lesson about pushing alcohol - a money-focussed lesson, you might call it.

What pisses me off is that they offered me a drink and then they refuse to buy me the one I want!!! Why don't they just say - would you like a beer or spirit or nothing?

Invader Zim

Ida wrote:

Not drinking lost me some drinking buddies and I really learned who my friends are. It meant I had better conversations - more 'real' - and made better connections with people.

A LOT of Irish (Japanese/Korean and others) can be too shy/hesitent to talk openly about their true thoughts/feelings without alcohol.
You may find that some of those ^real^ conversations you had were stilted or contrived because of this.

Ida

Invader Zim wrote:

A LOT of Irish (Japanese/Korean and others) can be too shy/hesitent to talk openly about their true thoughts/feelings without alcohol.
You may find that some of those ^real^ conversations you had were stilted or contrived because of this.

Not at all invader zim. the 'real' conversations I had were not at all stilted - i can't stand polite conversation or anthing forced like that. The conversations I had were coherent and fascinating - I'm not necessarily talking about feelings-based or personal stories, I'm talking about conversations on anything and everything. But the quality of them is so much better... nothing to do with the topic.

I think it's a myth or perhaps a drink-induced-misguided-idea that people are helped by drink to talk about their feelings. People just need to know they are respected, that's all. Drink doesn't do anything but blur the situation so that it can be refocussed any way you like and then you can decide that now it's okay to talk about this stuff that means something to me. However, the quality of it is straight away less than it would be if it came from a better place, such as clear-mindedness. People love to talk about themselves! They will talk easily if they feel good about themselves and drink doesn't give you a strong footing in that regard - quite the opposite, it will give you the myth that you can only do this when you're pissed - the myth of the crutch... I would quote that bit in 'Dumbo' when he realised that it wasn't the feather that was making him fly, but I have no idea what it was....

elivsvonchiaing

Ida wrote:

yeah but answer me this...

why are people more comfortable buying me a Long Island Iced Tea (about a million euros) than buying me a glass of diluted blackcurrant (about a euro)?
BTW, i leave the Long Island Iced Tea to go flat just to teach them a lesson about pushing alcohol - a money-focussed lesson, you might call it.

What pisses me off is that they offered me a drink and then they refuse to buy me the one I want!!! Why don't they just say - would you like a beer or spirit or nothing?

Rough guess - you are a good - looking female surrounded by gimps

Lump

A euro for blackcurrent.... Doesnt that answer your question? €1... it's tap water and dilutable juice. At least with alcohol you get mind altering drugs

John

Ida

elivsvonchiaing wrote:

Rough guess - you are a good - looking female surrounded by gimps

I like to think so...

But seriously, I don't choose to surround myself with gimps (when I'm not working :-))and the people I am with now I've been able to choose in sobriety, so it's just the new people to my world.

Hey, another **** thing about people who drink is they tend to leave non-drinkers out of toasts... bah!

Ida

Lump wrote:

A euro for blackcurrent.... Doesnt that answer your question? €1... it's tap water and dilutable juice. At least with alcohol you get mind altering drugs

John

It's sugar! or sometimes I order caffeine! And you should see me go.....

But why does anyone care if I get outta my head or not? How is anyone so cheap that they would prefer me to not drink anything than have a non-alcoholic drink?

Ida

Alrighty, gotta leggit. It's been short & sweet... and in some places, like this one, that's good enough

Rafter vampires
Ida

monument

Three posts in a row, and in the space of 12mins - are you on "caffeine" now?

The concept of people drinking to get drunk shouldn’t be mixed up with drinking to get “out of one’s mind”, “locked” etc. There’s a huge difference, even if it’s only a thin line between them.

Then there’s the difference between “out of one’s mind” and interfering with others, and “out of one’s mind” and keeping to yourself.

Personally I can’t see any point in getting anything more then a bit relaxed, I don’t fully - should I say – know my limits as well as I’d like to, yet, but I’m getting there, the whole ‘getting better as you grow up’ thing, I guess.

Ida

monument wrote:

Three posts in a row, and in the space of 12mins - are you on "caffeine" now?

The concept of people drinking to get drunk shouldn’t be mixed up with drinking to get “out of one’s mind”, “locked” etc. There’s a huge difference, even if it’s only a thin line between them.

Then there’s the difference between “out of one’s mind” and interfering with others, and “out of one’s mind” and keeping to yourself.

Personally I can’t see any point in getting anything more then a bit relaxed, I don’t fully - should I say – know my limits as well as I’d like to, yet, but I’m getting there, the whole ‘getting better as you grow up’ thing, I guess.

Sure was and couldn't get to sleep for about 2 hours after that last post! :eek:

There sure is. I am not against drinking alcohol per se, but I'd hate to uphold a dangerous myth, i.e. that there is nothing 'wrong' with alcohol. It's a depressant, it's dangerous and it has long-term effects.

Yeah and sometimes those that drink and keep to themselves are really the ones that need to reach out to others. I know what you mean though, the drunks that drink and still look after themselves are much more dignified than those that drink and need babysitters/security. :mad:

Y'see I'm glad I didn't wait til I found better sense to stop where I was. I realised that alcohol wasn't helping me in any way at all and what did I do it for then? To relax and have a good time? Well if I can't do that without drinking then I'd better start learning... If you drink to be more relaxed, shouldn't you stop drinking and work out why you're not more relaxed in the first place? Trust me, the benefits are more long-term even than the effects of alcohol.

Spalk0

I suppose it really depends on the person you are to be honest!Some people dont like the way they act when they are plastered, whether they do something embarassing or something along those lines so they probably prefer to just have a few!
I, on most counts usually drink till im well drunk!but it wouldnt be the pissed part that i enjoy the most simply because its usually when i fall asleep or cant string a sentence together but the part leading up to getting drunk is the best!
It helps more people relax more and be more social!

Corruptedmorals

Golden Gal herself is underage, as am I, and I think the main reason most people in my year drink is because..they're bored and they just want to get off their faces. Simple as.

Bogger77

I actually avoided my work xmas party for the reasons Ida mentioned, ie hanging out with gimps who are drunk. I'm pretty new in the office, and I didnt want to be stuck with a bunch of people I dont really know, watching them get extremely drunk.

I'm not totally anti drink, I just aint a fan of watching people getting absolutely hammered, and thinking it's fun.

Trebor

Ida wrote:

Sure was and couldn't get to sleep for about 2 hours after that last post! :eek:

There sure is. I am not against drinking alcohol per se, but I'd hate to uphold a dangerous myth, i.e. that there is nothing 'wrong' with alcohol. It's a depressant, it's dangerous and it has long-term effects.

Yeah and sometimes those that drink and keep to themselves are really the ones that need to reach out to others. I know what you mean though, the drunks that drink and still look after themselves are much more dignified than those that drink and need babysitters/security. :mad:

Y'see I'm glad I didn't wait til I found better sense to stop where I was. I realised that alcohol wasn't helping me in any way at all and what did I do it for then? To relax and have a good time? Well if I can't do that without drinking then I'd better start learning... If you drink to be more relaxed, shouldn't you stop drinking and work out why you're not more relaxed in the first place? Trust me, the benefits are more long-term even than the effects of alcohol.

unbelivable!!! i was reading your post and thought for a min i was a schizo and wrote that with an alternive personality :eek: i feel the exact same, i have never been drunk nor do i see the point in it, if i want to change the way i feel then i just thing about something that puts me in the mood i want to be in. and i'm not anti-social i love to go dancing (with the touching and the booty ) but i don't need drink to get me on the dance floor, mind you when i am on the dance floor i have been approached and ask for the substance that i am using, but it's just plain old adrenaline

also i understand what you mean about the conversations, when people get drunk they talk absolute ****e and then look at you weird when you can't follow along with what their saying.

Canis Lupus

I drink to get drunk.... simple as that... there should be no why behind it except that its fun. Its the same reason why I "smoke".

Sarky

The_B_Man wrote:

ah c'mon though, seriously, if it wasnt in the papers every 2 minutes would we be thinkin there was a problem? i dont even know any alcoholics!

I'd imagine this is because half of your drinking buddies either don't realise it themselves or are in denial. Just like so many more of us.

mp3guy

golden gal wrote:

i was at a party last night and the majority of the people there got pissed off their faces. i'm not anti-drink or anything but i was just thinging why do people feel the need to drink? why do you drink? most of it tastes crap! apart from the obvious "to get drunk" why do you drink?

you're just saying that because you got busted at the party, or am i mistaken (i'm serious, am i?)

monument

Ida wrote:

There sure is. I am not against drinking alcohol per se, but I'd hate to uphold a dangerous myth, i.e. that there is nothing 'wrong' with alcohol. It's a depressant, it's dangerous and it has long-term effects.

I respect your wish not to drink, but please don’t tell me you think it's a "depressant" in line with 'clinical depression', because then you would be upholding a dangerous myth.

Done a quick search for "the Truth About Alcohol", the first thing I found was a US DoH half opinion half fact page about alcohol, for teens... but the point being they were actually (strangely) right about what alcohol depress… “Alcohol depresses your central nervous system”… once I read “Alcohol depresses…” I was expecting the usual bunch of lies.

Corruptedmorals

mp3guy wrote:

you're just saying that because you got busted at the party, or am i mistaken (i'm serious, am i?)

No, you're right.

Ida

monument wrote:

I respect your wish not to drink, but please don’t tell me you think it's a "depressant" in line with 'clinical depression', because then you would be upholding a dangerous myth.

Done a quick search for "the Truth About Alcohol", the first thing I found was a US DoH half opinion half fact page about alcohol, for teens... but the point being they were actually (strangely) right about what alcohol depress… “Alcohol depresses your central nervous system”… once I read “Alcohol depresses…” I was expecting the usual bunch of lies.

Alcohol is a depressant, I wasn't talking about clinical depression, but obviously that comes into it. It depresses the central nervous system, which largely involves the brain. It slows brain activity. It also has an effect on the hormonal system, specifically the anti-diuretic hormone (ADH). It inhibits the activity of ADH, which is why you piss so much and are so dehydrated after alcohol, since ADH is what regulates your 'hydration system'.

So, I'm not upholding any dangerous myth, but perhaps I am alerting to facts?

Also, to get things straight, I'm not preaching to anyone or telling anyone what to do or judging anyone... other people can do what they want to their own system, it's their problem in the end (as long as I don't have to pay for their health care... ah but sure **** it). But I hate the attitude that alcohol is fine because we all do it and sure isn't it a great laugh. Seriously, who do you really think is having the great laugh ... you know the one... laughing all the way to the bank. Why is it the idea of alcohol and not, say, laughing, which is a huge social lubricant, perpetually advertised as being necessary and the epitome of good times? And then it's more and more expensive every year? Hmmmmmm

...and as for smoking! well don't even get me started! :-)

Ida

Sarky wrote:

I'd imagine this is because half of your drinking buddies either don't realise it themselves or are in denial. Just like so many more of us.

When I went to see a doctor in the states, she asked me about family history and one of the questions was - is there any alcoholism in your family?
So I said - Alcoholism? Define your terms.
In the States, you don't need to be drinking much to be considered an alcoholic. But in Ireland, it's not even really considered very much, is it?

I remember a study done once in Europe about attitudes to drink and although Luxembourg has a higher rate of alcohol drunk per capita, the attitude in Ireland was quite unique in that we say: Let's go get locked/wrecked/pissed/hammered/blah blah blah.
So the attitude is to celebrate the getting drunk bit and aim for it, not the getting together for group hug... eh, or whatever....

Ida

Canis Lupus wrote:

I drink to get drunk.... simple as that... there should be no why behind it except that its fun. Its the same reason why I "smoke".

so, you smoke to get smoked?
I like that... shame you're not actually James Dean or someone... are you? :cool:

Crucifix

I drink for different reasons. Sometimes it's just one to relax, and to be honest I don't think the chemicals come into it, it's just a nice association.
Sometimes it's social; I wouldn't drink too much, just as social lubricant, and once again because of the association. Since I began drinking the only distinction between just hanging out and a party is drinking. Not getting ****-faced, but drinking.
And yes, sometimes I drink to get drunk. Every so often that's just how I feel.

Trebor

Canis Lupus wrote:

I drink to get drunk.... simple as that... there should be no why behind it except that its fun. Its the same reason why I "smoke".

well aslong as you have fun getting drunk, fair play to ya

me, i'd go nuts at the thought of not being able to control myself if the situation called for it. but i'm just a control freak when it comes to myself, the thought of loosing control scares the bejeasus out of me :eek: also scared that i'd attack someone who looked at me funny cause i was doing something silly and end up in hospital/jail for it

i don't begrudge anyone a drink, i do begrude them being drunk. and i would appricate the same towards me. i'm in scotland studying and i have been told that i cannot be Irish because i don't drink!! :mad:

Sarky

I'm off for a drink right now...

monument

Ida wrote:

Alcohol is a depressant, I wasn't talking about clinical depression, but obviously that comes into it. It depresses the central nervous system, which largely involves the brain. It slows brain activity. It also has an effect on the hormonal system, specifically the anti-diuretic hormone (ADH). It inhibits the activity of ADH, which is why you piss so much and are so dehydrated after alcohol, since ADH is what regulates your 'hydration system'.

So, I'm not upholding any dangerous myth, but perhaps I am alerting to facts?

No, that’s ok, I wasn’t accusing you – just making sure you were talking about the right type of depressant – you’d be surprised how some people have argued to the point of no return that it is a clinical depressant.

ionapaul

Ida wrote:

When I went to see a doctor in the states, she asked me about family history and one of the questions was - is there any alcoholism in your family?
So I said - Alcoholism? Define your terms.
In the States, you don't need to be drinking much to be considered an alcoholic. But in Ireland, it's not even really considered very much, is it?

Interesting. I also went to a doctor while I lived in the States - during the 'family history' part he asked the same question. I said 'no' (though I was just a tad embarrassed to say yes) and he replied: 'You're Irish - no alcoholism, huh?' with a smile.

Ida

ionapaul wrote:

Interesting. I also went to a doctor while I lived in the States - during the 'family history' part he asked the same question. I said 'no' (though I was just a tad embarrassed to say yes) and he replied: 'You're Irish - no alcoholism, huh?' with a smile.

yeah, it's f*cked up really. People sure don't believe I'm Irish when I say I don't drink alcohol. They usually think I don't drink *much* alcohol and are surprised when I mean none at all. Actually I do have 1 Bailey's coffee every now and then, but only because I have yet to find non-alcoholic Bailey's anywhere. But as soon as I can taste the alcohol in it, I don't want it anymore. I just don't like the taste of alcohol probably for its associations as taste has a lot to do with associations. So that brings us nicely to the reasons most people have given for drinking, i.e. not for the drink but for the associations. So how about breaking down some associations, eh? Who wants to play with their reality tonight? eh? any takers?

Alcoholism - has anyone come up with an exact definition? not just guidelines or stupid stuff like - do you feel you need a drink first thing in the morning... okay well maybe it's not stupid, but those questions that we've all heard - do you feel you need to drink to have fun? - we all know how to answer them... i think most of us have automatically answered them here actually

how about this question... what do you think a night out with your mates would be like if you didn't drink? what do you think the worst that could happen is?

see cause i know what it's like as i've done it loads of times with different groups and at different places and times and cultures and yadda yadda... but i can only really talk for me on this so what do you think? :rolleyes:

Ida

monument wrote:

No, that’s ok, I wasn’t accusing you – just making sure you were talking about the right type of depressant – you’d be surprised how some people have argued to the point of no return that it is a clinical depressant.

Don't worry bout that monument, I check my sources and my facts. I been doing this type of thing quite a while and thank the god of google for making it easier :-)

Like I said, I've not been drinking alcohol for 9 years now (anniversary: 16/09) so I've been questioned and debated with and challenged multiple upon multiple times.. and sometimes the voices are outside my head too! Needless to say I am fascinated by the workings of the brain and through my life have become more and more interested in the mad stuff we make ourselves in our own heads... and I'm talking physically, not metaphysically, for the purposes of this discussion. what we make metaphysically is a whole different Oprah show, innit.

Ida

Crucifix wrote:

I drink for different reasons. Sometimes it's just one to relax, and to be honest I don't think the chemicals come into it, it's just a nice association.
Sometimes it's social; I wouldn't drink too much, just as social lubricant, and once again because of the association. Since I began drinking the only distinction between just hanging out and a party is drinking. Not getting ****-faced, but drinking.
And yes, sometimes I drink to get drunk. Every so often that's just how I feel.

what do you mean by the chemicals don't come into it? how could they not? or do you not swallow? if you're drinking the chemicals, and you are, then they come into it whether you say hello to them or not.

At least you acknowledge that it's just the association... so if you can acknowledge that and deny the chemicals come into it, then why not acknowledge that the chemicals come into it and deny the association? just to turn your world upside down... just for the goddamn helluvit... let's go over there, over there to the edge... let's just ... let's just let gooooooo

And I think you should go to some different parties cause maaaaan, is there a difference between hanging out and partying!!!

p.s. i love the throw-caution-to-the-wind honesty at the end of the post

Ida

Trebor wrote:

me, i'd go nuts at the thought of not being able to control myself if the situation called for it. but i'm just a control freak when it comes to myself, the thought of loosing control scares the bejeasus out of me :eek: also scared that i'd attack someone who looked at me funny cause i was doing something silly and end up in hospital/jail for it

yeah that reminds me of when i thought i was an aggressive drunk. then i stopped drinking. got in a fight. realised I was just aggressive. got to know me... found my fight club. found my happy place.

Crucifix

Ida wrote:

what do you mean by the chemicals don't come into it? how could they not? or do you not swallow? if you're drinking the chemicals, and you are, then they come into it whether you say hello to them or not.

Ok, they do come into it, but I'd reckon when it comes to the relaxing effect of a single drink it's more about the association than the effect of the alcohol. As in you come home, sit down and take a swig from a bottle (of beer, I don't drink spirits from the bottle) and instantly feel relaxed.

Ida wrote:

And I think you should go to some different parties cause maaaaan, is there a difference between hanging out and partying!!!

Maybe you just need to hang out with different people

Ida wrote:

p.s. i love the throw-caution-to-the-wind honesty at the end of the post

Why thank you.