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Champions League Draw

  • 17-12-2004 10:30am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭


    here we go guys....not sure who to get, maybe Inter....
    anyone know the quickest site for updates?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 635 ✭✭✭johnor


    I see Mourinho is saying he'd like to get Barcelona beacuse it'd be a good challenge! I must say i enjoy his comments most times i just think they have to turn on him at some stage, itll be interesting to see what he says when they do.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 9,654 Mod ✭✭✭✭mayordenis


    what time is it on at?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 635 ✭✭✭johnor


    its on now.....skysports news if your there..


    http://www.eurosport.com/home/pages/v4/l0/s22/e6885/live_lng0_spo22_evt6885_mtc100895.shtml

    ha!
    "As Inter and Milan are both at home second, Inter's second leg has been moved to the 15th March to avoid a stadium clash. The rest will be played on the 8th and 9th."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,581 ✭✭✭uberwolf


    I'll take that for LFC.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,496 ✭✭✭quarryman


    barca v chelsea.

    what a tie.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,705 ✭✭✭BrookieD


    Real Madrid CF (Spain) Vs Juventus FC (ITA)

    FC Porto (POR) Vs FC Internazionale Milano (ITA)

    FC Barcelona (ESP) Vs Chelsea FC (ENG)

    Werder Bremen (GER) Vs Olympique Lyonnais (FRA)

    Liverpool FC (ENG) Vs Bayer 04 Leverkusen (GER)

    PSV Eindhoven (NED) Vs AS Monaco FC (FRA)

    Manchester United FC (ENG) Vs AC Milan (ITA)


    FC Bayern München (GER) Vs Arsenal FC (ENG)

    There you go :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,581 ✭✭✭uberwolf


    CHAMPIONS LEAGUE DRAW
    First knock-out round:
    Real Madrid v Juventus
    Porto v Inter Milan
    Barcelona v Chelsea
    Werder Bremen v Lyon
    Liverpool v Bayer Leverkusen
    PSV Eindhoven v Monaco
    Man Utd v AC Milan
    Bayern Munich v Arsenal


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,441 ✭✭✭✭jesus_thats_gre


    Nice :)


  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 9,654 Mod ✭✭✭✭mayordenis


    God we got it good pitty i missed the draw :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,581 ✭✭✭uberwolf


    my predictions

    CHAMPIONS LEAGUE DRAW
    First knock-out round:
    Real Madrid v Juventus - Juve to go through
    Porto v Inter Milan - INter
    Barcelona v Chelsea - Barca
    Werder Bremen v Lyon - Lyon
    Liverpool v Bayer Leverkusen - LFC
    PSV Eindhoven v Monaco - Monaco
    Man Utd v AC Milan - Milan
    Bayern Munich v Arsenal - Arsenal


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,521 ✭✭✭Shred


    Liverpool FC (ENG) Vs Bayer 04 Leverkusen (GER)

    That's the one I wanted, a chance for revenge :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 635 ✭✭✭johnor


    Gas both fergie and mourinho said or asked for this to happen this week....wierd, some great games

    psv v monaco & Werder Bremen v Lyon
    mean that two of the so called "weaker teams" will be into the last 4.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,575 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Barcelona, Milan and Bayern Munich will beat the English teams
    Liverpool may go through against Leverkusen

    :eek:


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 16,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭yop


    Uniteds is hardest draw, chelsea next, arse then scouse.

    United and Chelsea could go out in the next round

    I predict

    Real Madrid CF (Spain) Vs Juventus FC (ITA) - JUVE

    FC Porto (POR) Vs FC Internazionale Milano (ITA) - INTER

    FC Barcelona (ESP) Vs Chelsea FC (ENG) - BARCA

    Werder Bremen (GER) Vs Olympique Lyonnais (FRA) - LYON

    Liverpool FC (ENG) Vs Bayer 04 Leverkusen (GER) - POOL

    PSV Eindhoven (NED) Vs AS Monaco FC (FRA) - MONACO

    Manchester United FC (ENG) Vs AC Milan (ITA) - MILAN


    FC Bayern München (GER) Vs Arsenal FC (ENG) - ARSENAL


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,581 ✭✭✭uberwolf


    johnor wrote:
    Gas both fergie and mourinho said or asked for this to happen this week....wierd, some great games

    psv v monaco & Werder Bremen v Lyon
    mean that two of the so called "weaker teams" will be into the last 4.....

    in fairness - lfc or Bayer will be a third weak team
    And I don't rate PSV or Monaco either


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 16,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭yop


    Put your money on Lyon! ;) It is the year of shocks!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭vorbis


    I'd reckon Milan, Chelsea, Leverkusen and Arsenal will win their ties. Not too sure about the others.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,263 ✭✭✭yom 1


    Some great games lined up thanks to that draw especially barca chelsea

    Quite happy with the pool getting Bayer Leverkusen
    Just glad to have avoided the Italians
    But Bayer are still a very dangerous side so looking forward to it
    Hopefully we get a bit of revenge for the last time we met in the champions league


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 635 ✭✭✭johnor


    sorry meant to say 2 of the weaker teams go throught to last 8......my mistake,

    predictions....

    Real Madrid CF (Spain) Vs Juventus FC (ITA) - REAL
    FC Porto (POR) Vs FC Internazionale Milano (ITA) - INTER
    FC Barcelona (ESP) Vs Chelsea FC (ENG) - CHELSEA
    Werder Bremen (GER) Vs Olympique Lyonnais (FRA) - LYON
    Liverpool FC (ENG) Vs Bayer 04 Leverkusen (GER) - POOL
    PSV Eindhoven (NED) Vs AS Monaco FC (FRA) - PSV
    Manchester United FC (ENG) Vs AC Milan (ITA) - MAN U
    FC Bayern München (GER) Vs Arsenal FC (ENG) - ARSENAL


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,613 ✭✭✭Big Nelly


    Real Madrid v Juventus - Juve
    * FC Porto v Inter Milan - Inter
    Barcelona v Chelsea - Chelsea
    Werder Bremen v Lyon - Lyon
    Liverpool v Bayer Leverkusen - Leverkusen
    PSV Eindhoven v Monaco - Monaco
    Manchester United v AC Milan - Milan
    Bayern Munich v Arsenal - Arsenal


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,013 ✭✭✭✭eirebhoy


    I bet those Man Utd fans who said they were happy to play their home leg first take that back now. Milan are the kings of calculating, they'll just hold on in the first leg and go out and get what they want in the San Siro. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    Leverkusen no push overs.
    Man U v Milan....looking forward to that one and Chelsea v Barca
    oh yeah, nearly forgot about Juve v Real

    Lot of big teams going out this round.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 635 ✭✭✭johnor


    Didn't the "kings of calculating" beat Deportivo 4-1 at home last year and loose 4-0 away? Should be a great game....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,521 ✭✭✭Shred


    Lex Luthor wrote:
    Leverkusen no push overs.

    They're are quite a good team and they're definately not to be underestimated. But I reckon over two legs Liverpool could do them this time.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,709 ✭✭✭BolBill


    Liverpool will be the only English team in the quarters..........


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,456 ✭✭✭kida


    I would say Liverpool will prob be the only English team not in the Quarters - Werder will be delighted to draw them. Remember they knocked out Valencia and topped the group that also had Inter.

    Utd will have to play Milan sometime - all depends on a good first leg - if we can get any victory it will force the Italians to attack and I feel United can always score away.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,013 ✭✭✭✭eirebhoy


    johnor wrote:
    Didn't the "kings of calculating" beat Deportivo 4-1 at home last year and loose 4-0 away? Should be a great game....
    The first leg was played at home. Try and find the last time Milan lost in Europe when they played the 1st leg away. IMO People underestimate the difference it makes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,521 ✭✭✭Shred


    kida wrote:
    I would say Liverpool will prob be the only English team not in the Quarters - Werder will be delighted to draw them. Remember they knocked out Valencia and topped the group that also had Inter.

    Utd will have to play Milan sometime - all depends on a good first leg - if we can get any victory it will force the Italians to attack and I feel United can always score away.

    Huh? Liverpool have drawn Leverkusen, not Werder :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,349 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    The best possible draw for the Reds. Leverkusen will be no push overs, but we owe them one for 2002. I think Arsenal will prove to be too much for a Bayern team that are no longer the force they were.

    Chelsea and Barca will be tough, very tough and could be decided on away goals. As for Man U, well it depends on which United team turns up and whether van Nistelrooy is fit or now.

    For me though, the tie of the round must be Real Madrid and Juventus, I reckon (and hope) that the Spanish Globetrotters will go out.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,456 ✭✭✭kida


    I was sent the wrong draw in work :eek: . Still only makes Liverpools draw harder. They knocked out Kiev and Roma.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 635 ✭✭✭johnor


    the last time they played the away leg first was against Sparta Prague...not exactly in the man u class...granted they won 4-1 overall....

    the previous time was against Ajax, they got a 0-0 in Amsterdam and won 3-2 at home....they went on to win it that year, beating Inter on away goals!!, in the Semi. I dunno how the goals went in the Ajax match....but 3-2 is hardly agreat home win...its obviously enough o go thru and to win them the CL at the end of the day. Dont think the 3-2 is hugely convincing.....i didnt search for the last previous time, if they were beaten over two legs or whatever...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 ✭✭✭✭PHB


    Christ I knew that was going to happen, just knew it.

    I honastly think Liverpool have the best chance of all the English teams to go through, I honastly believe that.

    Arsenal have a very very tough game against a team that will simply foul them the second they get on any sort of break and mess up Arsenals game plan. It'll take some work for Wenger to win this match, but it'll be a damm close one.

    Liverpool are in a very nice position, against a team not on form, 5th in the league atm if i'm not mistaken, and have really got some ability in europe, a lot of drive, especially seeing how Gerrard will do everything he possibly can to win this match, and they definally can win it.

    Chelsea vs. Barca. Jesus what a game, I just pray that they are on a differnt night to Man Utd, I'd love to watch this game.
    Barca attack vs. Chelsea defence!
    The hardest team in that group and they got them.
    I think Chelsea's defence can hold out, however it is going to be up to Robben(who I think might be a little out of his league at this point) and Duff who will need to be at his absolute best.
    Lampard Terry and Duff will win or lose this tie.

    Utd vs. Ac Milan.
    Won't this be a fun tie :rolleyes:
    Of all the teams to get, you have to get the team that beats Barca :D
    We had to play em eventually, and I guess now is a good a time as any.
    I think United's defence can take on Milan, and I don't think they'll score at Old Trafford. Keano will be up for this game like nobodies business, out to show how good he is.
    It's gona be a Van Nist peno that gets us a goal, and hes gona hammer it home :)
    Away will be a hellish nail biting game, I honastly don't know what will happen, but I think that if we go into that game ahead, we can hold out and nick an away goal on the break.
    I hope Saha is back for the game.
    I think this game is gona be won by Giggs Keano and Scholes coming out to play and killing.
    On the plus side, if we win this game, I don't believe there is anyone else in the cup who would beat us after that :)

    p.s. if we are top of the league by this time we will walk this game

    Juve vs. Real
    A walkover for Juve, I promise. Its gona be a slaughter, mayube 4-0 after aggregate.

    FC Porto v Inter Milan
    Inter are through

    Werder Bremen v Lyon
    Lyon are through

    PSV Eindhoven v Monaco
    I'm happy PSV are through, good for them. Monaco are through :)

    Ah I love the champions league, but the wait for the next game is going to kill me!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,013 ✭✭✭✭eirebhoy


    PHB wrote:
    Liverpool are in a very nice position, against a team not on form, 5th in the league atm if i'm not mistaken
    8th, Bremen are 5th.
    PHB wrote:
    Lampard Terry and Duff will win or lose this tie.
    Chelsea have won plenty of game when Lampard was anonymous, I think Robben and Duff would be a lot more important. Without those two they're screwed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,148 ✭✭✭✭Raskolnikov


    I've got a sneaking suspicion that Chelsea are going to dump the Barse out of the Champions League.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,467 ✭✭✭smemon


    a nice draw for utd, personally, i prefer to see utd up against the big guns, the best of the best rather than the likes of bremen or lyon.

    if your gonna win it, you HAVE to beat the big guns at some stage and in a knockout tie, utd have every chance of beating ac milan. this is the sort of match manu are made for, big matches are when they turn on the style and from that point of view im a little relieved we dont have a 'banana skin' tie, were we're expected to win.

    chelsea barca will be good game, as someone said , hope it doesnt clash with the manu match. i fancy chelsea to go through, they have quality throughout their side, no weaknesses. barca can break down anyone but i dunno whether they have the steel at the back and in midfield to keep control of a game against someone of their own high standard.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,312 ✭✭✭mr_angry


    To be honest, I fancy all the English sides to be in the last 8. United should for once be underdogs, and I think that will suit them. Liverpool have by far the easiest tie of the English clubs, although Leverkusen are a reasonable team. Barcelona vs Chelsea is too close to call, but if anybody can beat Barca (apart from AC Milan and Shakhtar Donetsk of course! :p ), its Chelsea. Defensively they're strong, and that will count for a lot.

    I think Bayern are a bit of a spent force in European football at the moment, but as they always say, "never write-off the Germans"! Arsenal owe them a good Inter-style kicking after the press shenanigans in 2001 anyway.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    PHB wrote:
    Chelsea vs. Barca.
    Simply can't predict this one - hope I get to see it.
    PHB wrote:
    Utd vs. Ac Milan.

    United have to totally go at them at Old Trafford and be prepared for a few stinging counter-attacks. If they pull it off - a 2-0 win should do it - then the return leg will be cagey, probably 1-0 or 2-1. Can't stand either team, so it'll also be fun to watch.
    PHB wrote:
    Juve vs. Real
    A walkover for Juve, I promise. Its gona be a slaughter, maybe 4-0 after aggregate.
    On paper, and going on their last meeting, it looks that way. If Juve's defence stays injury-free it's hard to see them losing this, but otherwise the likes of Montero and Legrottaglie are not capable of withholding Real's attack. Owen could win this for them
    PHB wrote:
    FC Porto v Inter Milan
    Inter are through
    If they are, it'll have to be on away goals! I havne't seen much of Porto this year, but if they're even remotely like last year's model this will be the unstoppable force against the immovable object at one end and a duck-shoot at the other. Inter might have sorted out a decent defender in the meanwhile though - doubtful, the idiots pissed away Cannavarro.
    PHB wrote:
    Werder Bremen v Lyon
    Lyon are through
    Probably, but it's a close enough one on paper.
    PHB wrote:
    PSV Eindhoven v Monaco
    I'm happy PSV are through, good for them. Monaco are through :)
    I might just go see this one, though the local boys have gone as far as they can I reckon.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,001 ✭✭✭Big Ears


    Real Madrid v Juventus - Juve
    FC Porto v Inter Milan - Inter
    Barcelona v Chelsea - Chelsea(on away goals)
    Werder Bremen v Lyon - Bremen
    Liverpool v Bayer Leverkusen - Leverkusen
    PSV Eindhoven v Monaco - Monaco
    Manchester United v AC Milan - Milan
    Bayern Munich v Arsenal - Munich


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,018 ✭✭✭✭jank


    Real Madrid v Juventus - Juve (could change depeding on form
    FC Porto v Inter Milan - Inter
    Barcelona v Chelsea - Chelsea(Ronnie will do the damage)
    Werder Bremen v Lyon - Bremen
    Liverpool v Bayer Leverkusen - Leverkusen(Liverpool are a spent force!)
    PSV Eindhoven v Monaco - Monaco
    Manchester United v AC Milan - Milan(just cant see utd doing it)
    Bayern Munich v Arsenal - Arsenal(its going to be very very tough but its very do-able in the same sense)


    I predict Arsenal to be the only english team in the last eight!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,006 ✭✭✭✭The Muppet


    Handy Draw. :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 ✭✭✭✭PHB


    Realistically what are the chances I could get a ticket for this?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭Drag00n79


    Here's my tuppence worth...
    Real Madrid v Juventus - Juventus
    FC Porto v Inter Milan - Inter
    Barcelona v Chelsea - Chelsea
    Werder Bremen v Lyon - Bremen
    Liverpool v Bayer Leverkusen - Liverpool
    PSV Eindhoven v Monaco - Monaco
    Manchester United v AC Milan - Milan
    Bayern München v Arsenal - München


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,972 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Fergie must be livid with himself, had he played his best side against the Fenerbahce they'd have a chance but against AC I see only one result.

    Rafa must be quite happy, I am. :)

    Mike.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,538 ✭✭✭PiE


    johnor wrote:
    predictions....

    Real Madrid CF (Spain) Vs Juventus FC (ITA) - REAL
    FC Barcelona (ESP) Vs Chelsea FC (ENG) - CHELSEA
    Manchester United FC (ENG) Vs AC Milan (ITA) - MAN U
    FC Bayern München (GER) Vs Arsenal FC (ENG) - ARSENAL

    I'd imagine you'd get super odds on those results.

    Should be some classic games with that draw, looking forward to them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 ✭✭✭✭PHB


    FC Porto v Inter Milan
    FC Porto 7 - 4
    Inter Milan 2 - 5

    Barcelona v Chelsea
    Barcelona 4 - 5
    Chelsea 10 - 11

    Real Madrid v Juventus

    Real Madrid 10 - 11
    Juventus 4 - 5

    Werder Bremen v Lyon
    Werder Bremen 11 - 10
    Lyon 4 - 6

    Man. United v AC Milan

    Man. United evens
    AC Milan 8 - 11

    Liverpool v Bayer Leverkusen

    Liverpool 4 - 6
    Bayer Leverkusen 11 - 10

    PSV Eindhoven v Monaco

    PSV 11 - 10
    Monaco 4 - 6

    Bayern v Arsenal
    Bayern Munich 6 - 5
    Arsenal 8 - 13

    Interesting odds in some of those matches :)
    Thats just for the first leg btw


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,006 ✭✭✭✭The Muppet


    mike65 wrote:
    Fergie must be livid with himself, had he played his best side against the Fenerbahce they'd have a chance but against AC I see only one result.

    Rafa must be quite happy, I am. :)

    Mike.

    Fergie Knew well what he ws doing when fielding the reserves in the last game. United are better suited to play and beat the Italians and being the underdog really suits them. I believe united will go through but that said there's no point in staying in the comp if we're not good enought to win it. I'm looking foward to two cracking games no matter what the outcome.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,013 ✭✭✭✭eirebhoy


    PHB wrote:
    FC Porto v Inter Milan
    FC Porto 7 - 4
    Inter Milan 2 - 5
    7/4 is way too high for them just to win their home leg. Porto all the way at home. They still have superb players in Maniche, Quaresma, Diego, McCarthy, Costinha, Derlei, Luis Fabiano, the Greek full back they signed...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,966 ✭✭✭Jivin Turkey


    Interesting draw,

    I reckon Chelsea will turn over Barcelona. They are a far more solid team, and everyone is talking Barca up which will play into Mourinhos hands.

    Arsenal will be a tough one, but I think Bayern will have to come out to win the first leg, and could get caught on the break. I still think Arsenal will need to win at home to go through though.

    Liverpools draw is as good as they could get (bar Lyon). Still a tough game though, Leverkusen qualified from a tough group. I still think though Liverpool will be fired up after being dumped out a few years ago. Gerrard will be missing for the home leg, but Im delighted that he is missing at home rather than away. Seeing as Im a Liverpool fan, Ill go for Liverpool to go through, but I dont think it will be a shock if they go out.

    United will have their work cut out. Regardless of what everyone says, Im sure all United fans would rather see them beat some smaller teams and get to the final and then lose to Milan, rather than get knocked out now. If for nothing else for the money and the experience all the players would get. I dont know what Ferguson was doing sending a crap team to Turkey. If they won the group they could be playing Bremen now! Milan have to much class all over the park. Forget Crespo, what about Kaka? And they are solid enough at the back to hold United. This will be Uniteds first test of the competition following an easy group, and I think this will cost them (again).

    Having said all that, a lot will depend on what nick the various teams are in come the actual dates of the next round.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 ✭✭✭✭PHB


    thats a bit silly logic so it is.
    If Chelsea had come second they'd be playing Inter so therefore they should have come second?

    easy to say with hindsight :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,889 ✭✭✭Third_Echelon


    Real Madrid v Juventus - Juventus (Real if their form changes could pose some problems for juve)
    FC Porto v Inter Milan - Inter Milan
    Barcelona v Chelsea - Barcelona
    Werder Bremen v Lyon - Bremen (good strong side. Great group stage results)
    Liverpool v Bayer Leverkusen - Leverkusen (good efficient side, qualified well. Not as good a draw as most pool fans would think)
    PSV Eindhoven v Monaco - Monaco
    Manchester United v AC Milan - AC Milan
    Bayern Munich v Arsenal - Munich (I just fancy munchen for this one)


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