Disgraceful

Irish Republican Defense

Has anyone watched the news recently? The disgraceful actions shown by loyalists on the hill of drumcree refelct on the irish as a whole. But wait! their not IRish y'see! so what do we do! The UFF have clearly broken their ceasefire by firing on police last night. I think we should expel PUP from the executive. Anyone back me up?

Hobbes

I think the whole thing is a disgrace.. the marching is just one small part of it. Both sides act like spoiled little kids and the only reason it has lasted this long because it's great for making political careers and various organisations have since moved onto more illegal activities.

I think they should send in UN troops, or let the US invade. Better yet create an embargo on all NI goods. See how long people start whining then.

TwoShedsJackson

Originally posted by Irish Republican Defense:
I think we should expel PUP from the executive. Anyone back me up?

Is this the royal 'we' you're referring to here? Both sides are as bad as each other, always have been, and always will.

Canaboid

Originally posted by Hobbes:
or let the US invade.

Come home Hobbes. You've been there too long

Hobbes

Originally posted by Canaboid:
Come home Hobbes. You've been there too long

I was saying that long before I moved to the US. Both sides need a common enemy just like H..... well lets not invoke Godwins Rule on this just yet.

Shiminay

I reckon if they gave me guns, lots of guns, and made me bullet-proof, I'd give 'em a fair run for their money while they march.

Anyone remember the HIV Quake 2 mod called No Surrender? A variation on CTF where one team had to march down the other team's road. Great stuff!

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Paladin

The question is....
is this a religious conflict,
a political conflict,
BOTH,
or (as I see it) just a reason for *******s to act the ******.
Its human nature that a certain number of ppl in EVERY community is a ******. All they need is a reason to act like it.

And as for expelling PUP from the executive...
No I dont back you up.
There is prolly some guy called "Unionist Defense" calling for ppl to back him up in throwing all Catholics out of the executive.

As long as they are talking, there is a chance.
If they dont talk, well take a guess what they will do.

Irish Republican Defense

Balls,

The Orange Order are reaking in the benefits from all this. Harold Gracey has violence in mind. After all :

Humdreds of thousands of loyalists to protest on the streets please!!!

Hobbes

Originally posted by Irish Republican Defense:
Balls,

The Orange Order are reaking in the benefits from all this. Harold Gracey has violence in mind. After all

For the dumb people in the audience (ie. Me). Exactly what benefits do the Orange order get from this? If anything they are making themselves look more stupid.

"Hi, we believe in peace, but we want to march down your street to commorate the times we kicked your asses in the past and we will firebomb your street if you don't agree".

Here is the most simple ways to fix it....

Allow them to march however...
1. Everyone involved has to pay a "Marching Tax", lets say 10% of annual income. This means they can march once a year and the money is to go towards the people of that neighbourhood only. Fail to do it and your jailed.

2. Allow the residents to spray the street with pig ****. We are talking loads and make it lovely and runny.

Shinji

So it's the loyalists misbehaving at the moment. As soon as they let the march through (which they will, as usual), the nationalists will be misbehaving just as badly.

It's adults acting like 10 year olds in a playground. I have no sympathy for either side, only for the unfortunate people caught in the middle.

And as to expelling the PUP from the talks - er, I take it you are the Nationalist version of Ian Paisley, then?

Besides which, David Irvine is, shockingly enough, one of the few reasonable men left up there.

Ja,
Rob

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TwoShedsJackson

Originally posted by Shinji:
Besides which, David Irvine is, shockingly enough, one of the few reasonable men left up there.

Ja,
Rob

[This message has been edited by Shinji (edited 05-07-2000).]

you what??

Blitzkrieger

yeah! let's kick PUP out! no wait, I forgot. None of us has the power to do that


I agree with Shinji - I pity the people in the middle. This would be the Catholic people who do not condone the actions of the IRA.

I know I wouldn't like being stuck in my house, or unable to return to it while a group of people who have displayed a propensity towards violence make a show of force through my neighborhood. And that's if the march goes off without a hitch. You could be looking at the police stopping residents from standing in their own street, not to mention gangs of paramilitaries from both sides probably roaming the area.

The marching should be stopped because it does harm innocent people. That should be the only reason neccessary

Draco

Originally posted by Shinji:
So it's the loyalists misbehaving at the moment. As soon as they let the march through (which they will, as usual),

Isn't part of the whole thing at the moment that it was stopped two years ago and there have been Orange men camped beside the garvahy road since in protest?

Besides which, David Irvine is, shockingly enough, one of the few reasonable men left up there.

Not a popular stand point, but what I've seen of him on TV, he is actually reasonable. Of course, when you have people like Ian Paisly allegedly on the same side...

When you hear some Orangemen talk you really can see that they don't unstand why they can parade to celibrate a battle they won over the catholics - "But everyone likes a parade"

Nuke 'em all and like God sort them out.

Draco

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Ye see the Unionist's claim all this marching stuff to be part of their culture, and that in banning them from marching down roads that have been marched down for years is also part of that culture.
They are taking the same tactic as Neo-nazi's do by playing the Freedom of Expression card and at the end of the day you can see their point. The problem is that their culture is firmly based not on the union with England (which at this stage is entirely rediculous, I mean how many english people wear bowler hats anymore? And wasn't William of Orange dutch?.) but it's based on maintaining control over catholics in general.
It's a thoroughly negative and self-contradicting culture and to be honest it's hard to predict if it has a future.

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Brit

So, once again I read in this morning's edition of the London Metro that those who choose to wear the orange sash are busy creating mayhem outside some Church in Ireland. In between the "Bargain Holiday" ads, and the declaration of "Guaranteed Success for balding men" I see a water cannon firing - for the first time in 30 years.

The question is, (for me at any rate) : how incredibly stupid are these Orangemen ? Every year, when they meet at the rally point with their orange sashes, banners and hats, they *know* that their actions will cause grief. They know that their march will anger others and they know that at some point down the road, the British Army and RUC will be there to act as a point-of-no-go.

Britain once ruled nearly 3/4 of the globe at the height of her colonial prowess. We conquered whole countries, enslaved millions and generally misbehaved. Independence came, the Commonwealth was created and we all got on with life.

You *don't* see the massed bands of the Royal Marines marching through Delhi every year declaring how utterly wonderful Britain is because many years ago Delhi like the rest of India was nothing more than a Victorian plaything. I have yet to hear about a march by the Household Cavalry through the centre of Paris commemorating the defeat of Napoleon at Waterloo. And I certainly haven't been alerted to any marches through the centre of Berlin from *any* country or *any* organisation to rub the Germans nose's in it.

Why don't these things happen? Because funnily enough, we don't believe in engaging in antagonistic actions based on history. We call this sensible. These Orange pe0ns call it "Their Right".

A day or two ago, an Irishman (affiliation or organisation not confirmed) shot ("sniped") at a policeman. This was absolutely the most stupid thing I've ever read in the paper. What kind of statement was he attempting to make? (Other than the obvious: I am mentally retarded).

Can any 'modern generation' Irishman possibly place his hand on heart and agree with the violence? I don't think so. Can any of the aforementioned reasonable people stand up and say "Yes! it is **essential** that we march down this road every year knowing full well that it ****es one helluva lot of people off"...

The British Army would give its eye teeth to pull out of N.Ireland. The Irish people as a whole would I suspect be glad to see them go. The politicians on both sides of the Irish Sea would likewise, like to see them out.

Its up to the people of Ireland to make it quite clear that Terrorism and organised disruption of law and order in the name of 'protest' is not to be tolerated in a modern, clear thinking, cohesive Irish society. Until that day happens, I expect there will be a lot more Water cannon and barricades.

--Brit--

Bard

Speaking of Ian Paisley...

*grin*

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SheroN

Johnny Adare...is a physho...and should be locked up....he uses the whole political scene as a cover to carry out his ****ed up sicko acts....he once took a 17 year old boy....he wasn't even an ira man...killed him...cut out his entrails and threw him in a pit with dead animals.
sicko...****ing larger lout head on him then...what a ****ing (unt.

FreaK_BrutheR

I wasn't going to comment at all so i'll make it short.
The loyalists are fu(king up their own PR with their deplorable behaviour regarding drumcree and other contentious marches. No one on either side of the divide with any degree of disassociation with paramilitaries believes the whole thing is the right way to go about it. The whole tight community way of life in the north leads to obvious gangs of people from the same areas with the same following joining together. One guy chucks a stone - i mean just one guy - you could in an hour or two have about 40 people at it on the streets its just the way it happens like...Ive seen it. Alot of the people rioting on the streets in the north really couldnt give a **** what its for really they just got caught up in it, are a wee bit mental and out for a bit of craic.... yes strange as it may sound its exciting stuff like. If some Orange muppet calls for support from the protestant community in general of course an awfull lot of people are going to think.... hey thats me....im one of them and theyre beating "us" down. If Gerry or Martin or someone turned around and said all out to the streets you can be gauranteed the response would be immense too. There are leaders and followers - some leaders are more aware of their moral obligation to guide the followers right, others as wee see from the orange lodge every year are not. And if you think for an instant that the UDA/UVF couldn't get the rioters of the street within 20 minutes.... Ive also seen this crack in operation.

Yes Sher Adair on the hill too. And him in a pro agreement party - now thats just blatant psychotic aggressive ignorant provoking snearing and scary sh!te.

Canaboid

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Pretence

Too much pride is a terrible thing.....

Paladin

Originally posted by FreaK_BrutheR:
[BAlot of the people rioting on the streets in the north really couldnt give a **** what its for really [/B]

My point exactly. They are a$sholes just looking for an excuse, the likes that can be found in any community worldwide. Its just a different excuse in each place.

Canaboid

From the Irish Times

"...and a second attempt was made to set alight the concrete and steel barrier erected to keep the Orangemen and their supporters from gaining access to the Garvaghy Road."

Less rioting, more studying basic physics would be good.

LegacyUser

LOL .
"Burn concrete , damn you , burn !"

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ButcherOfNog

heh yeah, i did laugh out loud when sky news reported the orangemen had "attempted to set fire to the steel barrier"

Paladin

LOL @ Orangemen

cushy

Just read the Yank replies.
Typical gung ho attitude of let the U.S.
go in & invade.
ARSHOLES.

Hobbes

ROFL... what Yank?

Everyone here is Irish. I think they should turn NI into a theme park. You's already have the clowns there.

Draco

You know what was really disgraceful? The fact the the attempted Drumcree march was not on one T.V. station, not 2, not 3 but FOUR bloody stations! It was worse than football. You had the RTE coverage, BBC, UTV and Sky News. All covering it live. All from different angles. At least when football is on they give you a film or something on the other side. B@stards the lot of them. And the BBC camera man was sh1te as well.

Draco (who had nothing better to do on Sunday that flick between the 4 channels)

tr1n1ty

Well, the silly season is upon us again! This game is something that is played during the summer months, by lunatics, with a bat and somebodies head. Enjoyed by the crowds who watch in ever increasing numbers on the 'terraces'.

The people of northern Ireland said 'no' when asked to vote - a high percentage of the catholic population and about 60 odd percent of the protestants. Now in my estimation that is a resounding victory for peace - politicians take note.

I am somewhat perplexed that the orange order, who hold this 'vigil at Drumcree' say that they are not responsible for the violence that takes place - if they are not, who is?

Has time passed so quickly that we have forgotten the 3 little boys who died as a result of their incitement to hate? Will there be more innocent victims this year?

Has somebody, anybody got the 'guts' to get this situation under control. How has anarchy become the norm in Northern Ireland? I presume somebody is still in charge up there.

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