G/Fs Psycho Flatmate...

My name is Mud

Not sure if this should be in PI or accom - mods, feel free to move as you please.

So, the g/f is living in a house with 2 blokes. 1 bloke moves out and new girl moves in. All seems fine, until she starts going abbasolutley psycho about everything, i.e. eating other peoples food, and when questioned about it, goes psycho, etc etc - you get the picture

Anyway, last night seemed to be the final straw. A note was left for her to clean her dishes... nothing sinister, just a "can you clean up your dirty dishes, cheers" type of note, and she went all loco as per usual at this stage. I got involved (as she threw a pint of water over me), then proceeded to call my g/f a "twat" (i know... i dont geddit either), and then ATTEMPTED TO HIT MY G/F IN THE FACE!

Needless to say, I jumped in and grabbed the psycho by the neck, and forceably removed her from the scene (im not a violent person). Anyway, shouting ensues, my g/f and the other bloke that she lives with are all like "we dont like you psycho, move out!", to which shes like "i dont like you either and im moving in Feb!".

Anyway, she has promised to move out at the start of Nov, the end of Nov, after Xmas and now Feb.

My q is - has anybody dealt with psychos flatmates before? Is it possible to legally evict her?

Cheers

tinkerbell

My god she IS a psycho. Talk to your gf's landlord maybe?

koneko

Is she on the lease? Did she sign anything? Did she talk to the landlorn? Did your girlfriend talk to the landlord?

My name is Mud

Hi - nope shes not on the lease and didn't sign anything.

My g/f is gonna talk to the landlord today

There was a plot to change the door locks, throw her stuff outside and let the garda deal with it as she has no legal stanpoint (i think?) or evidence that she lives there (apart from a few letters with the address on it)

muttleys_girl

yikes!!!! she's nuts.....ur girlfriend and the other flatmate should definately talk to the landlord. he'd prefer to lose one person than two!
the girl is not gonna leave otherwise....talking from experience she is only going to get worse. i was living with a bit of a psycho a few years back and kept taking the sh*te for a while....then one night he went completely nuts and thrashed the place. i moved after that....as did the other girl living there!

pickarooney

Advertise for a new flatmate and have him/her move in ASAP, combined with the lock-changing/stuff-throwing-outing

tinkerbell

Yah I agree with pickarooney. If you advertise for a new flatmate and they will move in, then the landlord won't be bothered anyway coz he'll be getting money in as always. Then kick the psycho out!

koneko

Keep the landlord in the loop, whatever you do. They don't like being kept in the dark when it comes to their own property/investment. Just a quick call to say why things aren't working out with the psycho, and can he/she offer any advice?

pickarooney

Also, if the psycho has caused, or is likely to cause damage...

I feel a bit sorry for the girl, to be honest (nothing to do with you or your girlfriend, and I wouldn't expect you to care, given the situation). Have you any idea what's wrong with her?

My name is Mud

Pickarooney - Psycho has caused damage (cracked a mirror on one of those slide wardrobes - it'll prob cost her the deposit to get another mirror cut for that frame)

Basic problem with the psycho is that she is getting on in years (33+ i think), has very little friends, has a high dependance on substances (alcohol, possibly charlie), hasn't got a fulltime job (hasn't had one for years), cant hold a temporary job, cant find a man (i wonder why?), etc. Shes like a 10 year old spoilt brat looking for attention and causing sh!t.

As System of Down so excellently put it "pshyco groupie cocaine crazy".

tinkerbell

definitely go to your landlord.

ionapaul

Also, make sure to mention to the landlord that the psycho is messy / untidy and running the place down in general...feel free to embelish. If my property had someone like that I would be behind any effort to get rid of them.

My name is Mud

Thanks folks - anybody know about legal aspects of this though?

Im gonna assume the landlord is going to be cool with whatever g/f and housemate do, but legally... as psycho hasn't signed anything does that give the g/f and flatmate entitlements to kick her out and change locks without consent or notice to psycho?

I know it sounds mean right before xmas week, but i would much prefer the psycho to be homeless on the street rather than have my g/f feel threatened in her own home

spongebob

As long as the psycho is not on the lease you are safe , if psycho is not paying rent by DD or SO then they were crashing there and not a tenant ...in the eyes of the law and once the remaining flatmates get their story together . The alternatives are all worse if you ask me .

I think everyone who rents a house with others gets their psycho at some stage, it goes with the territory I'm afraid . Every landlord gets one too.

The best solution is to move the problem right along .

M

Lex_Diamonds

My name is Mud wrote:

Pickarooney - Psycho has caused damage (cracked a mirror on one of those slide wardrobes - it'll prob cost her the deposit to get another mirror cut for that frame)

Basic problem with the psycho is that she is getting on in years (33+ i think), has very little friends, has a high dependance on substances (alcohol, possibly charlie), hasn't got a fulltime job (hasn't had one for years), cant hold a temporary job, cant find a man (i wonder why?), etc. Shes like a 10 year old spoilt brat looking for attention and causing sh!t.

As System of Down so excellently put it "pshyco groupie cocaine crazy".

She sounds Autistic or something. Anyway, watch Single White Female and Shallow Grave for some tips.

spongebob

Lex_Diamonds wrote:

Anyway, watch Single White Female and Shallow Grave for some tips.

Nahh Lex, she was probably spoilt as a child and was allowed to throw temper tantrums when she felt like it. I blame the parents so I do . Its a bit late now though.

I'm disappointed that you couldn't recommend a tasty cheese to chill and bliss the house out

M

tinkerbell

I'd say since she ain't on a lease then she has no rights whatsoever.

Scruff

make sure you get the landlord to change the locks. last thing ye want is a psycho with a bit of a subsctance abuse problem in possesion of a key to yer gaff....
[edit] when shes oficially kicked out that is[/edit]

seamus

As Muck says.

Tenancy gives her the right to 4 weeks notice, after which she can be forcibly removed.

But if she's not a tenant, she's a lodger, and she can come home one day to find all her stuff in the hall, the locks changed, and be told to leave.

Get the landlord onside, and be prepared to get the Gardai down to forcibly remove her from the house. Don't try do it yourself. The last thing you want is an assualt charge against you.

embee

You grabbed her by the neck, forcibly removed her from the scene, but you say you aren't a violent person?

Maybe you aren't, but if she is as much of a psycho as you say she is, she may well go the the Gardai about you. And, whatever about her going to hit your girlfriend, she didn't. If she brought you to court, she would arguably have a strong case for assault. It could potentially be argued that her upending a pint of water over your head does not justify the force you used on her. Just be careful. Don't act too rash, because hell hath no fury like a woman scorned etc. Find out the legal viewpoint, whether shes signed a lease etc. Don't dump her stuff on the street. You may well just invoke a furious retaliatory action from her and get yourself embroiled in a load of crap involving the cops, courts etc.

My name is Mud

Embee: you dont know me, and I dont know you, so please dont assume anything about my character. I already feel bad enough as it is for getting angry....

Picture the scene from a blokes perspective (im assuming you are a girl right?): You are sitting in the kitchen, eating dinner with your g/f. Your g/f is a petit girl. Psycho comes home and starts giving out about a note left to do the dishes. Psycho throws a pint of water over you. Psycho comes up to your g/f (while your petit g/f is sitting down) and takes a swipe at her

Do you

A: remain seated with your soaking clothes on and watch your petit g/f try and defend herself against a bigger, drunk, possibly coked up psycho

or

B: grab psycho by neck and remove psycho from said kitchen, while psycho attempts to swipe at you

?

Remember, no punches were thrown. Situation was diffused by removing psycho from scene. Im well aware of legal implications.

No lease was signed by her. For all I care she can live on the street and learn some manners the hard way

seamus

embee wrote:

You grabbed her by the neck, forcibly removed her from the scene, but you say you aren't a violent person?

I'm not a violent person, but I'd do exactly the same thing. No matter what he had done, he runs the risk. That's the problem with stopping assault. You have to wait for the other guy to hit you first before you can successfully plead self-defence, otherwise it's your word against his. The law is an ass.

Marge:
Do I have to be dead before you'll help me?

Wiggum:
Well, not dead -- dying.
[Marge gets up to leave]
No, no, no, no. Don't walk away. How about this: just show me the
knife ... in your back.
[Marge leaves]
Not too deep, but it should be able to stand by itself.

embee

My name is Mud wrote:

Embee: you dont know me, and I dont know you, so please dont assume anything about my character. I already feel bad enough as it is for getting angry....

I never assumed a thing. You will note that I never accused you of being a violent person. I was just suggesting that someone as clearly unhinged as she is might very well attempt to take "revenge" against you, and that it wouldn't be a good idea to exascerbate the situation by dumping her stuff out on the street and engaging in slanging matches and fights etc. I don't doubt for a second that you feel guilty about it, and I was not for one minute condeming what you did. In fact, if the shoe was on the other foot and I was in your situation, I would more than likely have done the same thing. I am not defending this girls actions at all - she was in the wrong. All I am saying is that, if it were me, I would step back from it all and play it cool and carefully, because it only strengthens her "case" (if she did take action against you) if the fighting and shouting etc were to continue.

Good luck anyways. I hope ye get her out of the house quickly and with the minimum of drama.

superfly

i would have done the same thing mudboy and i have never been violent in my life, all he was doing was diffusing the situation in a manner that any Garda would, restraining the person while not physically hurting the person
if she does try to cause trouble its her word against 2 obviously sane people who didn't even start anything

garthv

If I was you Id say to the psycho that you all want her out of the house now. More than likely that will provoke her so then you'll have a perfectly good reason to change locks and chuck her the f*ck out

My name is Mud

Embee: thats cool - no harm intended. Im just majorly pissed off at the situation my g/f is in - a house she dosent want to sleep in.

Im trying to keep it cool as per usual

Superfly: there were 4 people + psycho in the room at the time so plently of backup is about.

Heres the update:

Cant get in contact with Landlord, but have managed to contact the agency and mgt company-type people. They understand the situation and believe that psycho does not have any legal right to be there as she hasn't signed anything. With the threat of physical viloence and damage to the property, they would prefer her out also.

The g/f contacted the gardai and they said its a civil matter and nothing to do with tennancy rights. They also have the address of the place in case we ring them in emergency too.

The plan is now to change the locks, call to the neighbours and tell them the situation (so psycho dosent invade their space), leave all her stuff outside, and then play the waiting game (or hungry hungry hippos....:) )

The gardai know what we are doing, as do the mgt co and agency. The gardai were really cool about it to and just told us to call if anything happens...

I'll keep you posted...

tinkerbell

Good stuff, hope it works out for you.

By the way, you were perfectly within your right to restrain that psychopathic bitch! You physically removed her from the kitchen after her threatening you and your girl, this does not equal violence! Like you said yourself, how could you be expected to just sit there and take her crap?

Keep us posted on how ye get her out, she sounds like she has some serious problems.

garthv

set up a webcam outside the door so we can all watch her reaction!!

naa i kid,gluck with it anyway

My name is Mud

So we arrived back yesterday and she was there! Had to abort the plan temporarily until she went out.

The minute she left the house to go out for the evening, we called the locksmith, got all her stuff into bags, and left everything outside. We left notes in all the neighbours letterboxes telling them what is going on and how psycho was being "forcefully evicted" and not to let her into their home etc. It looked like psycho wasn't coming back for the evening too - had an overnight bag with her.

Anyhoos, when locks were changed and all her crap (and my god there was some amount of crap in that room) were outside, we got other flatmate to text psycho that all her stuff was "removed from the house and can you pick it up please?". She responded with a few bizarre comments, such as "dont go into my room", "leave the 8 euro you owe me in the kitchen", and "if any of my stuff is damaged the Gardai will be involved". Im not sure if she was drunk/tripping at the time... I dont think she has comprehended whats happened...

So we then rung the Gardai to tell them whats gone on and they were also cool about it & said they would keep an eye out if anything strange is going on. Psycho never arrived back last night either...

Just so you know, we have all the bases covered when she does arrive back. She has no evidence she lives there - no DD/SO for rent, no rent book, her name isint on the lease, the agent and mgt co dont have her registered as a tenant, no rent receipts (she paid in cash), no ID with the address of the place on it, no key etc. The g/f and flatmate have agreed not to give her back any money (for bills/rent) under the premise of "no receipt, no return", and there is f-all the Gardai can do for her either, under the same premise.

So this morning her stuff was still outside. I think she'll come by today and pick it up. It was covered in dew aswell...should have setup that webcam

tinkerbell

Set up the webcam now!! IT'S NOT TOO LATE!!!

Slutmonkey57b

I'm not a violent person either, but I'd have met her outside the house with a new suitcase and a postcard of the canal and said, "fancy living down there love?" *


*No I wouldn't. Never challange a psycho to a "who's crazier than whom" match.

kenmc

So.... what happened last nite then when you got home.... was the place in flames?? Had she broken in and then changed all the locks on YOU????
Tell!!! the suspense is killing me!

qwertz

I was just reading through this thread. What happened, tell us. Did she come back? Tell us, tell us, tell us...

yossarin

I think we can start worrying if Mud doesn't post in the next 24 hours.

My name is Mud

No need to worry folks! All is well!

First of all, Slutmonkey: I was forced into the situation in order to protect my g/f.... did you even read the posts above? Last thing I wanted to do was get forceful.

Ok, so we arrived back yesterday to a normal house (no flames, no glass broken), with all the stuff outside gone! Excellent!

Psycho was texting the other flatmate calling him a coward and stuff...not too sure why though. I guess things dont make to much sense with psychos. Shes at him to get her deposit back, but the prop mgrs know about the damage to her room so once they arrive and take a look they'll tell her to feck off about it.

Then if she wants half her December rent back, shes gonna have to produce a receipt that she paid it...and guess what? No receipts cos she paid in cash. She can go to the Gardai for all I care - they'll tell her the same thing. No proof that she lived there, no proof that she paid anything! Also if she wants her ESB/gas/TV Licence money back, shes gonna have to produce a receipt for that too... shes some muppet...

Anyway, thats been a busy week for me. Finally got a good nights sleep last night.....aaaaahhhhhhhh

kenmc

To be fair to the rest of the ppl out there looking for a room-mate, i think you should name and shame..... it's only fair

My name is Mud

im sure that the mods wouldn't dig that. PM me (if you're looking for a room-mate) and i'll give you her name and details so you can avoid her!

Mr E

Just read this thread from the start.... Well done
Awkward situation, but you handled it perfectly.

pickarooney

If they get a new flat-mate right away they really should give her the rent-money back. They've got rid of her now, no need to twist the knife (and it's Christmas!).

Kingsize

if psycho is fond of charlie why not tell the landlord this ...
of course the others in the house would have to be somewhat "clean" in this regard.
Most landlords will be worried about having a druggie on their property upsetting the neighbors etc etc even if such worries are based on no experience whatsoever.

My name is Mud

Pickarooney: no dice. With the way psycho has acted, she can be homeless for all I care. If thats how she treats people, then a taste of her own medicine is what the doc ordered.

Dont worry, landlord is getting a full report on the matter!

kenmc

pickarooney wrote:

If they get a new flat-mate right away they really should give her the rent-money back. They've got rid of her now, no need to twist the knife (and it's Christmas!).

Naww... if she's fond of the white stuff, maybe they'd be saving her life by keeping her money... besides - they had to pay the locksmith as well....
as someone much cleverer than me once said "tough sh|t". Maybe she'll learn. I'd just be careful walking home for a bit

GeorgeBailey

pickarooney wrote:

If they get a new flat-mate right away they really should give her the rent-money back. They've got rid of her now, no need to twist the knife (and it's Christmas!).

I agree. Not giving her back the money is just being spiteful/immature and removes somewhat your right to take the moral high ground.

My name is Mud

:eek:
My God people! Have you not read what has gone on????

She was asked to leave on numerous occasions and we had to take the bull by the horns and throw her out!!!!!

If she left on her own accord then yes, give her the cash back....

Jebus!

GeorgeBailey

My name is Mud wrote:

:eek:
My God people! Have you not read what has gone on????

She was asked to leave on numerous occasions and we had to take the bull by the horns and throw her out!!!!!

If she left on her own accord then yes, give her the cash back....

Jebus!

So essentially what you're saying is "Two wrongs make a right". Fair enough.

My name is Mud

good gravy...

Geroge - no! 2 wrongs do not make a right.

When you have a physical attack on your g/f and when you have a psycho who is unwilling to leave on her own steam (4 months after being asked to leave), you have to go mean.

If you let her walk all over you at this stage, whats the point? Knowing psycho, she'll try to bleed you dry. If you give her an inch, she'll take a mile.

tinkerbell

Well I'm delighted that ye got rid of her!

Wooohoo!! Serves her right, the crazy lady!

GeorgeBailey

My name is Mud wrote:

good gravy...

Geroge - no! 2 wrongs do not make a right.

When you have a physical attack on your g/f and when you have a psycho who is unwilling to leave on her own steam (4 months after being asked to leave), you have to go mean.

If you let her walk all over you at this stage, whats the point? Knowing psycho, she'll try to bleed you dry. If you give her an inch, she'll take a mile.

I know it's easy for me sitting here completely uninvolved in your situation to make judgements. And obviously I don't know what I'd actually do if I was in your situation. But I really think I would give her the money back even just in the hope that that would get rid of her for once and for all and that there wouldn't be any need to look over my shoulder for some psycho. But you know her and I don't so good luck.

Beruthiel

as the situation has been resolved,
I believe this thread can be closed before it spirals into muppetrous spam
B