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Metallica... What Next ??

  • 02-09-2001 12:04pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,695 ✭✭✭


    What next for Metallica??

    I know Jason Newsted never seemed to have had any great deal of influence of Metallica in his c.14 yrs, but.....

    The Load Albums IMHO were geatly influenced by his Muscial style & tastes. Knowing that also the writing for the current album had started before he left, surely this has thrown a real spanner in the works.
    This is w/out mentioning the fact that writing is on hold given James Hetfields entry into Alcohol & Substance Rehabiliitation !?

    So wot do ppl think??
    Are they "Rocked Out" or can we expect something along the lines of the Rolling Stones...Still rocking into their 60's?? smile.gif

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,309 ✭✭✭✭Bard


    If Newsted's musical style was the main influence for the direction Load and ReLoad were taking, then it's just as well he shagged off. A return to the old style Metallica is in order methinks. Oh yes.

    They've been realtively quiet of late, haven't they? (Back in the studio?) No news yet on who's to replace Jason then?

    According to Metallica.com:
    <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">

    Of course everyone assumed [the departure of Jason Newsted] would precipitate the break-up of the band.

    Not true.

    Indeed, despite what you might have read recently about the band in the national magazines, Lars James and Kirk are getting on better than ever in recent memory. There is an excitement and collective hunger about what the future holds. There are no plans or schedules to maintain, only the fast-boiling bubbles of enthusiasm, which would enforce their own schedule, sooner rather than later, it would appear.

    Yes indeed, if you thought Metallica's career had been exciting to this point, then you ain't seen nothing yet!
    </font>

    Bard
    'First motorbike in the bible ???? ---- a Triumph --- 'Yea verily Moses struck down the ammmanites and all the land heard the roar of his triumph !!!'


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,695 ✭✭✭b20uvkft6m5xwg


    From what I've heard it'll likely be Les Claypool from Primus.

    He's a fellow San Fransiscan, has jammed alot w/ Metallica before and is best friends w/ James.

    But is he just goin to leave Primus??
    And while I like Primus, his musical style is totally in another hemisphere w/ Metallica (ie. Funky Bass Riffs !!?? WTF)

    In relation to the Load Albums,
    Its like they're done by 2 different bands when you compare it to Justice... & the Black Album.
    Thats why I'd never say the Load stuff was shit, its just a new progression, some of which was very poor & other bits which were OK.

    Given the current confusion, I'd say we might see some solo projects or "I'm taking a break from writing" before we see another Metallica stdio album wink.gif


    Shame frown.gif Ehh but thats the Music Biz 4ye wink.gif


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,025 ✭✭✭yellum


    <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by 80project.com:
    From what I've heard it'll likely be Les Claypool from Primus.

    </font>

    No way thats gonna happen or be true. Metallica are too serious for Les, he has a totally diff style than Metallica. Can you see him playing their existing stuff ?

    Metallica need to take a break from each other and find themselves again. Maybe examine what frame of mind they were in to lead to those many classic albums. Once they get into that mindframe again they'll be grand.

    Solo projects might be a good idea. Mixing with newer hungrier bands too would be good.

    [This message has been edited by yellum (edited 02-09-2001).]


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,130 ✭✭✭✭Karl Hungus


    <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by yellum:
    Maybe examine what frame of mind they were in to lead to those many classic albums. Once they get into that mindframe again they'll be grand.</font>

    Acid, Acid, Acid and a bit of ludicrous amounts of Vodka...

    Metallica had a real darkness on their early albums. They need to get that darkness again.


  • Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 12,739 Mod ✭✭✭✭cournioni


    Theres no way Metallica is returning to their Metal Roots. They are stuck in the world of Pop music now and that no doubt is why Newstead left. Without Newstead they are just an old band full of faggots.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 927 ✭✭✭Monkey


    Metallica are a bunch of Narks. All they seem to do anymore is ***** and sue people. First Napster and now I hear they've sued a company that makes a brand of wheel called "Metallica" or "metalica" or something. Apparently the band already make car parts and are planning on producing "Metallica" wheels.

    Didn't they used to be a band ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,149 ✭✭✭✭Lemming


    <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Monkey:
    Metallica are a bunch of Narks. All they seem to do anymore is ***** and sue people. First Napster and now I hear they've sued a company that makes a brand of wheel called "Metallica" or "metalica" or something. Apparently the band already make car parts and are planning on producing "Metallica" wheels. </font>

    In response, Metallica are perfectly justified in trying to stop people using their name as a means to make profit without their permission. Need I remind anyone of "bands" such as the Spice Girls & BoyZone??? *spits*.

    But anyway ... I hear a lot of people harping on about their [Metallica] early albums. To Metallica's credit (IMHO), every one of their albums has had a different sound and style (with the possible exception of Load & Reload).

    I see a lot bands out there and they're doing nothing new. Each album is just a clone of the last, and its quite frankly boring. Evolution applies to music as everything else in life. Evolve .. or die(so to speak).

    Metallica's "Black" album was the last album to be successfully marketed as "Metal", and not rock. Then Nirvana came along, with a new sound, and the rest we all know.

    Where am I going with this rant?? Simply this, consider why metal has taken a turn for the worst in terms of its position in the music industry. Then turn around and tell me (convincingly) that Metallica should start churning out rehashes of their old stuff.

    They're gonna do what they want to do, not what everyone else tells them to do. And that is what music is all about. Writing your OWN stuff. Need I again mention such bands as the Spice Girls and Boyzone who had other people write their songs for them?

    ANyway .. I'll stop my rant for now smile.gif


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 681 ✭✭✭Kopf


    Hm, a return to the old style would seem a bit forced; the band don't seem to willing. They should just give up, call it a day, before they make bigger ********s of themselves (S&M to name just one blunder)

    Gone are the days of 3 minute guitar solos.. *sigh*


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 56 ✭✭Beastie Boy


    <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by yellum:
    No way thats gonna happen or be true.
    </font>

    Its been mentioned in practically every major music magazine wink.gif

    <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by yellum:
    No way thats gonna happen or be true. Metallica are too serious for Les, he has a totally diff style than Metallica. Can you see him playing their existing stuff ?
    </font>

    Honestly...NO[b/]
    But it may happen. They know Les well. They can hardly hold open auditions like the way they did after Cliff Burton died !!??
    It may be wise to go for someone who has a totally different style as oppossed to someone who is similar in style to Newsted & thus will always live in his shadow ?

    They'd have to practically chain Les down though to stop him goin off some of those "Winona's Big Brown Beaver" Bass Solos wink.gif



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,522 ✭✭✭Dr. Loon


    Les Claypool would be wicked. He's a dynamite bassist. I used to like Metallica, up until the black album, I'd buy an album with Les Claypool playing though. Excellent!

    Fink


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  • Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 12,739 Mod ✭✭✭✭cournioni


    <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Lemming:
    But anyway ... I hear a lot of people harping on about their [Metallica] early albums. To Metallica's credit (IMHO), every one of their albums has had a different sound and style (with the possible exception of Load & Reload).

    And that is what music is all about. Writing your OWN stuff. Need I again mention such bands as the Spice Girls and Boyzone who had other people write their songs for them?
    </font>

    Sorry to but in but I must correct you on one thing here. Metallica did not make the first two albums. Fact is that they stole some ideas of Dave Mustaine of Megadeth (Who had been kicked out of the band before the first two albums came out). This is the reason for them sounding "different".

    So it is safe to say that Metallica used to be/(are?) a manufactured band.

    PanterA - Strength Beyond Strength
    There is nothing. No education. No family life to open my
    Arms to. You'd say that my job is today, yet gone tomorrow.
    I'll be broke in a gutter.
    I know the opinion. A broken record. Fu(k you and your
    College dream. Fact is, we're stronger than all.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,695 ✭✭✭b20uvkft6m5xwg


    <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by PORNAPSTER:
    Metallica did not make the first two albums. Fact is that they stole some ideas of Dave Mustaine of Megadeth (Who had been kicked out of the band before the first two albums came out).
    </font>

    I'd agree w/ regard to "Kill 'em All" which contained some tracks from their 1st demo "No Life 'Til Leather" which they made w/ Mustaine, but "Ride the Lightening" is totally different devoid of Mustaine influences IMHO.

    I suppose thats why were talking about this...Because everyone has their own take on how they've sounded over the years smile.gif & how they are likely to proceed @ this cross roads !!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,149 ✭✭✭✭Lemming


    <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by PORNAPSTER:
    Sorry to but in but I must correct you on one thing here. Metallica did not make the first two albums. Fact is that they stole some ideas of Dave Mustaine of Megadeth (Who had been kicked out of the band before the first two albums came out).

    </font>
    Erm ... have you ever looked inside the album sleeves of their first album ?? Dave Mustaine was a MEMBER of Metallica. Himself and other band members "Co-Wrote" some of those songs, hence Megadeth sometimes play them at gigs.

    Because the songs were written under the guise of metallica, they belong to the band. Its like me writing some program on behalf of a company, moving to another company and then trying to claim that program is mine and mine alone. Doesn't work like that.

    I suggest you think about stuff like that before you state they "stole" stuff off Dave.

    The songs Co-Written go something like this

    KIll Em All: (4 out of 9 songs)
    "The 4 Horsemen" - Dave, James, Lars
    "Jump in the Fire" - Dave, James, Lars
    "Phantom Lord" - Dave, James, Lars
    "Metal Militia" - Dave, Lars

    Ride the Lightning: (2(definite) out of 8 songs - 2 unknown)
    "Ride the Lightning" - Dave, James, Lars, Cliff (Burton)
    "Call of Ktulu" - Dave, Lars, James, Cliff

    Wow .. that's a lot of songs written by "Dave" himself and no-one else having any input into. A Whopping total of ZERO songs.

    As for them being a manufactured band .. how do you figure that one out? Since manufactured bands are auditioned for by "suits", have no talent (with the notable exception of the Monkees), and have MOST of their stuff written for them (again with the notable exception of the MOnkees), I don't see Metallica falling into this category.

    As for "stealing" Dave's stuff ... don't you think the band would have been sued to hell and back by now?? (And don't say Dave wouldn't have ,.. cause he would for the amount of money being generated!)


    [This message has been edited by Lemming (edited 03-09-2001).]


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,025 ✭✭✭yellum


    <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Beastie Boy:

    They'd have to practically chain Les down though to stop him goin off some of those "Winona's Big Brown Beaver" Bass Solos wink.gif

    [/B]</font>

    Now thats a Tune. He'd out-gun Kirk no problem. The vid for Winonas kickass too. Gonna play that song right now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,149 ✭✭✭✭Lemming


    <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by yellum:
    Now thats a Tune. He'd out-gun Kirk no problem. The vid for Winonas kickass too. Gonna play that song right now.

    </font>

    Hehehehehe .. what a lovely image in my mind that left biggrin.gif


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,099 ✭✭✭✭WhiteWashMan


    <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Kopf:
    (S&M to name just one blunder)

    *
    </font>

    it must be awful to be such a talented critic with a room full of no-bodies to ipmress?
    as usual, i think one person here has said exactly what metallica are doing. they are doing what they want to do. load and re-load are excellent albums. i dont like all the songs on them, but they are different from all their other stuff. a band that doesnt change isnt worth listenign to to be honest.
    i mean, at the age of 27, im hardly going to be listening to the same sh17e as exodus, slayer, death etc etc etc that i use to
    that would be just sad. personally i think S&M is probably one of the best albums ive ever heard. certainly the best live one (with the exception of maybe live after death)
    no, if you have nothing of any worth to say, dont say it.


  • Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 12,739 Mod ✭✭✭✭cournioni


    Dave Mustaine said on tv that "he told Metallica not to use any of his stuff in their songs". Metallica won't admit that cos theyre afriad of getting a taste of their own medicine... And I think you know what I mean by that.

    Yes S&M is a good album... but the two new songs are the biggest pile of **** I've ever heard.

    I still maintain that Metallica is a band who have fans that are wannabie metalheads though.

    PanterA - Strength Beyond Strength
    There is nothing. No education. No family life to open my
    Arms to. You'd say that my job is today, yet gone tomorrow.
    I'll be broke in a gutter.
    I know the opinion. A broken record. Fu(k you and your
    College dream. Fact is, we're stronger than all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,149 ✭✭✭✭Lemming


    <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by PORNAPSTER:
    Dave Mustaine said on tv that "he told Metallica not to use any of his stuff in their songs". Metallica won't admit that cos theyre afriad of getting a taste of their own medicine... And I think you know what I mean by that. </font>

    Wow .. you didn't listen to a thing I said did you? Dave Mustain "CO"-wrote those songs. Again, I shall use the analogy of me writing a piece of software, or part thereof in the name of a company, then telling them that part is mine and mine alone. It DOESN'T work that way.

    And if you're so sure about it, then why hasn't dave put his money where his mouth "allegedly" is?? And again, don't use the "he's cool and is easy going" line, cause the amount of money we're talking, himself and everyone's dog would have been out for blood 10 times already.


    Yes S&M is a good album... but the two new songs are the biggest pile of **** I've ever heard.


    Fair enough. Your opinion. I'll not take you up on that. Just don't ram your view down my throat.

    I still maintain that Metallica is a band who have fans that are wannabie metalheads though.

    First of all, I have no problem with people who are unsure/not really into bands. Let them find their tastes. Just 'cause they don't have long hair/wear black clothes/paint their fingernails black/have hair dye doesn't mean that you have to start being a s**t to them. That's part of the problem I've found with some rockers/goths - They're VERY 2- Dimensional, looking only at what a person wears/looks like - BULLS**T!!!

    And anyway, I can think of many new bands that have "wannabe" fans. In fact, pass the Central Bank on Dame st. on a Saturday afternoon and have a looksee at all the "baby-goths". I don't have to say anything further on that subject.

    Further more, have you considered the fact that using the term "wannabe" towards music is misplaced. ANYone who likes songs by a band could be considered a fan. So saying that someone's a wannabe as regards music is crap. At least they're thinking about the music, rather than just following a crowd blindly. In fact that "wannabe" statement is beyond crap .. its quite possibly in the realms of stupid statements.

    yes I realise I'm getting quite aggressive here, yes I'm tired, No I'm not crazy (although others may differ wink.gif )


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,149 ✭✭✭✭Lemming


    <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by WhiteWashMan:
    .. a band that doesnt change isnt worth listenign to to be honest.</font>

    Wouldn't *quite* agree with that completely, but yes you are right.

    I mean, at the age of 27, im hardly going to be listening to the same sh17e as exodus, slayer, death etc etc etc that i use to.

    I'm not 27 (22 actually), and I don't listen to the same stuff I listened too when I was 16. I listen to a whole lot more besides. Being hardline is all fine and dandy when you're 14, 15 and haven't a clue about the world. But you should sincerely hope that your taste in music expands, if not differs, with age.

    personally i think S&M is probably one of the best albums ive ever heard.

    Absolutely. I've played classical string instruments since I was 5. I've been in an orchestra since I was 11. Have you EVER tried playing that kinda **** on such an instrument? Its hard. Its DAMN hard. Kudos to Metallica & Orchestra for pulling that off.

    if you have nothing of any worth to say, dont say it.

    "Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience" wink.gif


    [This message has been edited by Lemming (edited 04-09-2001).]


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,522 ✭✭✭Dr. Loon


    Pornapster... you are simply one of the most foolish people I've ever met. You have ideas and self righteous, condescending bull **** spewing out your árse. When there's any talk of music, you seem to think you're the authority on it all.

    Just cos you want to take Dave Mustaine from behind doesn't mean you know him personally, and just becaus he may/may not have said something, doesn't mean it's true.. the fact of the matter is... the only people who really know this shít is Dave Mustaine and Metallica. As faras I remember from my years as a metal head... they were co-written. You should stop with your pushy opinions you twat

    Fink


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭Dustaz


    To stick to the topic, hopefully the enforced lineup change and james rehab might precipitate some realinvention and creativity within the band. I lost interest in them after the black album and found nothing much of note to come back to in load and reload (i will admit that i havent listened to them as much as i should). I think there was a certain amount of resting on laurels going on and the leaps apparent between previous albums just werent there.

    I wont even comment on the pathetic 'wannabe' statments, its all too much like the 'plastic rocker' thing of 12 years ago.

    WWMan, S&M is the best live album ye have ever heard? go get more live albums smile.gif


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,099 ✭✭✭✭WhiteWashMan


    <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dustaz:

    WWMan, S&M is the best live album ye have ever heard? go get more live albums smile.gif
    </font>

    i didnt say it was, i said probably. ive heard plenty of live albums. anyway, most live albums have either the band playing their songs like they were straight of an album, or, they do stupid things like 'we want one half of the crowd to sing this bit, and the other half blah blah blah'
    i think its a great album because it has so many top tunes on it, its completely different, and i just happen to love both metallica and classical music smile.gif
    on the other hand, i also have loads of muddy waters live which is great, along with bb king, albert king with joe satirani which really rocks and plenty of other live albums. but iron maidens live after death and s&m are still my favs.
    and rightly so.
    if you think its not, then i challenge you sire to go and get some taste, or new ears, or both....
    wwman.gif


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,149 ✭✭✭✭Lemming


    ..... and the s**t starts flying .... wink.gif


  • Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 12,739 Mod ✭✭✭✭cournioni


    <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Lemming:
    Wow .. you didn't listen to a thing I said did you? Dave Mustain "CO"-wrote those songs. Again, I shall use the analogy of me writing a piece of software, or part thereof in the name of a company, then telling them that part is mine and mine alone. It DOESN'T work that way.

    And if you're so sure about it, then why hasn't dave put his money where his mouth "allegedly" is?? And again, don't use the "he's cool and is easy going" line, cause the amount of money we're talking, himself and everyone's dog would have been out for blood 10 times already.


    Yes S&M is a good album... but the two new songs are the biggest pile of **** I've ever heard.


    Fair enough. Your opinion. I'll not take you up on that. Just don't ram your view down my throat.

    I still maintain that Metallica is a band who have fans that are wannabie metalheads though.

    First of all, I have no problem with people who are unsure/not really into bands. Let them find their tastes. Just 'cause they don't have long hair/wear black clothes/paint their fingernails black/have hair dye doesn't mean that you have to start being a s**t to them. That's part of the problem I've found with some rockers/goths - They're VERY 2- Dimensional, looking only at what a person wears/looks like - BULLS**T!!!

    And anyway, I can think of many new bands that have "wannabe" fans. In fact, pass the Central Bank on Dame st. on a Saturday afternoon and have a looksee at all the "baby-goths". I don't have to say anything further on that subject.

    Further more, have you considered the fact that using the term "wannabe" towards music is misplaced. ANYone who likes songs by a band could be considered a fan. So saying that someone's a wannabe as regards music is crap. At least they're thinking about the music, rather than just following a crowd blindly. In fact that "wannabe" statement is beyond crap .. its quite possibly in the realms of stupid statements.

    yes I realise I'm getting quite aggressive here, yes I'm tired, No I'm not crazy (although others may differ wink.gif </font>

    What the **** are you my councellor?

    BTW... I don't do any of the things that you said there incl hair colour, painted nails. Metallica aren't supposed to be a gothic band you *******. You even make it sound convincing that you know it all. But anyhoo. Did I EVER say that Metallica didn't write some of the songs? NO! Thats somthing you made up in your own stupid little mind.

    PanterA - Strength Beyond Strength
    There is nothing. No education. No family life to open my
    Arms to. You'd say that my job is today, yet gone tomorrow.
    I'll be broke in a gutter.
    I know the opinion. A broken record. Fu(k you and your
    College dream. Fact is, we're stronger than all.


  • Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 12,739 Mod ✭✭✭✭cournioni


    <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dr. Loon:
    Pornapster... you are simply one of the most foolish people I've ever met. You have ideas and self righteous, condescending bull **** spewing out your árse. When there's any talk of music, you seem to think you're the authority on it all.

    Just cos you want to take Dave Mustaine from behind doesn't mean you know him personally, and just becaus he may/may not have said something, doesn't mean it's true.. the fact of the matter is... the only people who really know this shít is Dave Mustaine and Metallica. As faras I remember from my years as a metal head... they were co-written. You should stop with your pushy opinions you twat

    </font>

    *LAUGHS*

    What in hell do you want?

    a) Have I ever met you? ... No.

    b) Did I ever say that Mustaine wrote the songs alone? ... No.

    c) I couldn't honestly give a flying **** what you think of me cos you don't know me.

    d) Quit whining like a baby.

    PanterA - Strength Beyond Strength
    There is nothing. No education. No family life to open my
    Arms to. You'd say that my job is today, yet gone tomorrow.
    I'll be broke in a gutter.
    I know the opinion. A broken record. Fu(k you and your
    College dream. Fact is, we're stronger than all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,149 ✭✭✭✭Lemming


    <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by PORNAPSTER:
    What the **** are you my councellor?

    BTW... I don't do any of the things that you said there incl hair colour, painted nails. Metallica aren't supposed to be a gothic band you *******.
    </font>

    <SIGH>That was an argumentative generalisation.</SIGH><SARCASM>Can't you spot such things? Or do I have to hold your hand?</SARCASM>

    <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">
    You even make it sound convincing that you know it all.
    </font>

    Never said I did, nor would I ever pretend to either. Just pointing out some simple truths!
    <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">
    Did I EVER say that Metallica didn't write some of the songs? NO! Thats somthing you made up in your own stupid little mind.
    </font>

    Are you sure about that?? Are you REALLY SURE???? How about this little quote FROM YOU (I'm gonna enjoy this ...)
    <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Metallica did not make the first two albums</font>

    Also ...
    <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">
    b) Did I ever say that Mustaine wrote the songs alone? ... No.
    </font>

    You implied it though!!


    I rest my case! Just as a matter of interest, what age are you pornnapster?



    [This message has been edited by Lemming (edited 07-09-2001).]


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,522 ✭✭✭Dr. Loon


    Ha Ha.... yahaou

    Aaaahhh Pornapster.

    You ARE funny.

    Really... you are a nice chap, and you're sound

    Fink


  • Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 12,739 Mod ✭✭✭✭cournioni


    I am 17.

    BTW... I must say my fav quote...

    "Better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not".

    PanterA - Strength Beyond Strength
    There is nothing. No education. No family life to open my
    Arms to. You'd say that my job is today, yet gone tomorrow.
    I'll be broke in a gutter.
    I know the opinion. A broken record. Fu(k you and your
    College dream. Fact is, we're stronger than all.


  • Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 12,739 Mod ✭✭✭✭cournioni


    OK ok you got me there Lemming. But I still very much dislike Metallica. They've wen't from being a heavy metal band to being a pop band in a very short space of time.



    PanterA - Strength Beyond Strength
    There is nothing. No education. No family life to open my
    Arms to. You'd say that my job is today, yet gone tomorrow.
    I'll be broke in a gutter.
    I know the opinion. A broken record. Fu(k you and your
    College dream. Fact is, we're stronger than all.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,149 ✭✭✭✭Lemming


    <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by PORNAPSTER:
    I am 17.</font>

    Aha .. it all beginning to get clearer now. At 14, 15, 16, 17, I was much more hardline about music. When you're a few years older, take a look back and see the difference in your tastes and opinions. Pragmatism, diversity, and appreciation come with age (in general).
    <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">But I still very much dislike Metallica. They've wen't from being a heavy metal band to being a pop band in a very short space of time</font>

    You don't like Metallica, fair enough. But to start spouting bullsh*t about them on public boards is not going to win you any friends OR respect. All it does is make you look stupid and one of these "Mum and Dad didn't buy me a bike for my 14th birthday so I'm angry at the world" type-people.

    Finally, nothing Metallica has ever done could be remotely attached to Pop (IMO). Rock most definitely, but Pop .. uh uh. Again, that perception is most likely down to your hardline definition of what constitutes metal. Again, watch that change over time! (I'm speaking from experience)

    Just keep your mind open Pornapster. You'll enjoy your music more and maybe find some stuff you never thought of before!

    (F*cking hell .. I sound like an old man here .. NOOOOO!!!!) biggrin.gif



    [This message has been edited by Lemming (edited 07-09-2001).]


  • Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 12,739 Mod ✭✭✭✭cournioni


    Theres no way I'm going off this music until my late 20's at the latest. I don't really care about internet friends or any of that ****. As I say. It's only the ****ing internet and youre probably from Cork or some place far away. I've got enough friends here.

    Eh. Yea... also. The reason why I hate Metallica is because of their "bad boy" image. Theyr'e not even good at it. I mean c`mon. "Welcome to <towns name> baby" doesn't sound too good at their age. Megadeth etc. don't say anything of the sort. They just stick to the basics. Pantera, AC/DC are just downright funny in stupid sorts of ways. Metallica are just stuck between these which makes them neither.

    Am I making sense now?

    PanterA - Strength Beyond Strength
    There is nothing. No education. No family life to open my
    Arms to. You'd say that my job is today, yet gone tomorrow.
    I'll be broke in a gutter.
    I know the opinion. A broken record. Fu(k you and your
    College dream. Fact is, we're stronger than all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,522 ✭✭✭Dr. Loon


    <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by PORNAPSTER:
    Theres no way I'm going off this music until my late 20's at the latest.
    My fúckin árse!!

    Am I making sense now?
    </font>
    So far, any conversation I've had with you (on boards) has not made sense, you're just being a stubborn twat for the sake of it. You'll cop on as you get older, really, I'm serious. You don't think you will, but you will... I'd say you may have grown out of all your shíte by about 20... I'm not gonna speak anymore now, 'cos I'll just get really píssed off!!!



    Fink


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6 Rua


    On the Metallica topic - I must say I haven't loved everything they have released since 'Puppets, but I would really like to see a James Hetfield solao album where he continues with his hard edged Country theme - he's no Gram Parsons - and why should he be - but I love those songs like Unforgiven, Mama Said and his take on Turn the Page.



    Rua


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,149 ✭✭✭✭Lemming


    <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by PORNAPSTER:
    Theres no way I'm going off this music until my late 20's at the latest.</font>

    I've heard that line before!!! From some people I know who were once HARDline rockers.
    <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">
    I don't really care about internet friends or any of that ****. As I say. It's only the ****ing internet and youre probably from Cork or some place far away. I've got enough friends here.
    </font>

    AH .. classic 'youth' apathy statement. You don't care about respect?? Everything you do online reflects someway on who you are in reality. Without respect, everyone will just pass you off as a f*ckwit online OR off. Do you really want to be seen as a pig-ignorant gobsh*te for the rest of your life??? I sincerely hope not.

    One last thing on that particular quote .. I'm from Dublin actually. So anytime you want to meet up and have a debate, drop me a line.

    <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">
    Eh. Yea... also. The reason why I hate Metallica is because of their "bad boy" image. Theyr'e not even good at it. I mean c`mon. "Welcome to <towns name> baby" doesn't sound too good at their age.
    </font>

    What "bad boy" image are you referring to? Examples please! As for that quote you gave, if its the line of a song, what are you going on about .. its a song. I hear a lot of bands writing lyrics about war and "not afraid to die". BULLSH*T. Put any of these bands near a warzone or face them with death and they'd be ****ing themselves. That's utter crap, I'm sorry! (that includes MegaDeth and Pantera)
    <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">
    Megadeth etc. don't say anything of the sort. They just stick to the basics. Pantera, AC/DC <SNIP>
    </font>

    I've heard lyrics from AC/DC definitely that are worst than "Welcome to <town name> baby". You should listen to their stuff more. What you've said is a double-standard. Make up your mind.
    <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">
    Am I making sense now?
    </font>

    NO!!! If anything you're making yourself look like an ignorant dipsh*t




    [This message has been edited by Lemming (edited 07-09-2001).]


  • Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 12,739 Mod ✭✭✭✭cournioni


    <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dr. Loon:
    Originally posted by PORNAPSTER:
    Theres no way I'm going off this music until my late 20's at the latest.
    My fúckin árse!!

    Am I making sense now?
    </font>
    So far, any conversation I've had with you (on boards) has not made sense, you're just being a stubborn twat for the sake of it. You'll cop on as you get older, really, I'm serious. You don't think you will, but you will... I'd say you may have grown out of all your shíte by about 20... I'm not gonna speak anymore now, 'cos I'll just get really píssed off!!!

    Well I have liked it since I was seven or eight. Would you like a bet on it?

    PanterA - Strength Beyond Strength
    There is nothing. No education. No family life to open my
    Arms to. You'd say that my job is today, yet gone tomorrow.
    I'll be broke in a gutter.
    I know the opinion. A broken record. Fu(k you and your
    College dream. Fact is, we're stronger than all.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,507 ✭✭✭Asuka


    OK -

    First of all, Jason Newsted's leaving is no kind of death toll on the band. Whether he influenced their musical style or not is irrelevant, whats important was that he wasnt involved in the creative process much, which means that he wont harm the creation of good music, which in the end is what a band should be doing. Metallica have defnitely evolved over the years, and whether you like the changes or not, they are still making great music. This is of course and opinion, but when its shared by so many i think it has some validity. After that, i dont care what they are or what they do. I dont care about their image, I dont have their posters on my wall, i dont get 'Metallica Weekly' magazine or whatever, but it doesnt mean im not a fan. I like their music. This whole thing about their 'bad boy' image, which they are apparently terrible at effecting, makes absolutely zero difference to their music, and therefore zero difference to me. They write great music and great lyrics, which, in my opinion, is not matched by Pantera, Megadeth, AC/DC or any other rock/metal band. Image doesnt matter a flying copulation if the music is crap.

    As for all the stuff about Mustaine, the guy had an attitude problem, and it was fair enough that he was kicked out. He was still in Metallica when Kill 'Em All was released, hence the whole 4 songs on Kill 'Em All and a couple on Ride The Lightning. He got credit for them and has no right, legal or otherwise, to ask Metallica not to play them or anything. They're not his songs, they're Metallica's songs. If there was any doubt about this, believe me, there would have been a court case by now. Besides all that, Metallica and Mustaine get on quite well these days.

    S&M is defnitely one of my favourite albums ever, possibly my favourite, so i dont know what 'mistake' this is you're talking about. Its original and it works really well. Kudos to Metallica and Michael Kamen. Oh and i think those new tracks (in particular 'No Leaf Clover') are very promising for the future of the band.

    What they write these days is not pop music in the sense that you mean. Remember that pop music comes from the term popular music, and any band who are decent and have been around 20 years must be reasonably popular. Their music has certainly changed. The songs have got shorter and more varied, but i think their great talent is still evident in everything they set their hand to. They are great at making powerful music, no matter what genre it is in. Black was probably their best album over all, but that doesnt mean they are going inot decline. Black is just and incredibly hard act to follow. However, Load had some great music - 'Until it Sleeps' and 'Bleeding Me' are undeniably great songs, and Reload also had some great tracks as well (in my opinion 'The Unforgiven II' was better than the original by a couple of miles at least).

    I think that anyone who doesnt like Metallica full stop shouldnt really be adding to this topic, as its not helpful or even amusing. We didnt ask your opinion. Anyone who used to like Metallica but think theyve gone to hell, in my opinion, are much like the old QuakeWorld players - you cant get used to the idea of change, so you just condemn it. Either that or you dont like the style of music theyre moving towards. If its the latter, thats ok, but dont condemn it because of that. The music is still great, and i can say (as a fan), that its what the fans want to hear.

    Finally, ive heard a rumour which, to me, is more dangerous to the future of the band than the departure of Jason Newsted or James Hetfields rehab (how many times has he been in rehab now?). I dont know if its true, so any confirmations would be appreciated. I hear that there is rather a large internal row in Metallica, due to Kirk Hammett recording a solo album (instrumental only, i imagine), which is apparently in breach of his contract. Has anyone else heard this?

    Anyway, thats enough ranting for now.

    A


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,149 ✭✭✭✭Lemming


    Well said Asuka!! :)

    As for that rumour, haven't heard naught about it. I'm subscribed to the encyclopedia metallica newsletter, and they woulda posted something like this (unless its VERY new info.). I'll keep ye's posted if I hear anything!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,099 ✭✭✭✭WhiteWashMan


    played asuka.
    nice anology to the old QWers :)

    btw, no leaf clover is excellent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭][cEMAN**


    Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
    OK ok you got me there Lemming. But I still very much dislike Metallica. They've wen't from being a heavy metal band to being a pop band in a very short space of time.


    Ok h8 to get into this one again but you're wrong. The definition of POP as you call it is Popular Music. We have come back to this time and time again.

    Lets look at the american "PoP" charts for example...... Metallica aren't the only ones to get into the charts. By defenition all bands are in there somewhere - when the music gets sold they get in. So Pantera themselves are in there somehwere (just if they're not as popular it's not metallica's fault)

    Another point - you said that metallica fans are wanna be metal heads. WRONG!!! You'll find that there is a percentage of metallica fans who wouldn't listen to any other type of metal music. Now this isn't because metallica aren't necessarily Metal (You already know their first few albumns were) but hell Metallica have ALWAYS had creative style in music. It TAKES someone who plays to understand that. Yes other metal bands have that and yes a lot are as good if not better than metallica but it doesn't stop the fact just because you don't like them.

    Metallica's music as stated before has changed over time yes but as someone who happened to like the Load and Reload albumns and think less of those who call them sellouts I welcome ALL new music by them.

    Some people think that because they have had this much success and popularity that every song has to be perfect. Not true. Hell you think that's the way it IS in music?

    Grow up - or better yet go write YOUR perfect album and i'll be the first there to buy a copy.

    I've had this discussion over time about metallica.....about radiohead....just because their music changes doesn't mean they are any less of a band. They have grown and adapted.

    Can you seriously tell me that if the Beatles were still recording now WITH the late John Lennon that they'd be writing the same music? No. Rated as probably the greatest band ever they would have adapted with their style but a different GENERAL style of music.

    Metallica are as good as they ever were because they're metallica. Music comes from your own feelings and style and in most cases having something to say. When they run out of this they'll stop but so far I think we've only seen the TIP of the iceburg of what they are capable of.

    :):):)


  • Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 12,739 Mod ✭✭✭✭cournioni


    I can't believe you guys are still in denial....


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,149 ✭✭✭✭Lemming


    Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
    I can't believe you guys are still in denial....

    Denial of ... ????? Care to elaborate?
    OOOOO .. you mean about Metallica .. righttttttt!!

    Well, y'see, it works like this p0rnapster. Whilst you're gonna stand there and state that everyone else is wrong and you're right, I'm gonna pish myself laughing at you.

    Grow the f*ck up you sad twat!! Open your eyes. You might discover something you like. What are you afraid of?? That you might find you like David Bowie and Stereophonics and that all your 'friends' will think that you're not a rocker??


  • Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 12,739 Mod ✭✭✭✭cournioni


    From Encycmet.com

    On Friday Kirk Hammett and Lars Ulrich invited Ja Rule into the studio to record a rap for a new track. "I spin two 12-bar verses with Metallica on their new big, huge record they got that's crazy," Ja Rule said to MTV news.

    The song is described as a "mostly instrumental number" which I think means it can be in the same category as "To live is to die" or "Orion" on Master of puppets. This might also be another minor guest appearance like Marianne Faithfull was on Re-load. The track may end up on a DreamWorks Records compilation.


    ... I rest my case.


  • Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 12,739 Mod ✭✭✭✭cournioni


    Originally posted by Lemming

    Grow the f*ck up you sad twat!! Open your eyes. You might discover something you like. What are you afraid of?? That you might find you like David Bowie and Stereophonics and that all your 'friends' will think that you're not a rocker??

    LMAO... Grow up?! This is coming from someone who calls himself "Lemming"?

    I know what I like. My three favourite bands are Pantera, Slayer and Morbid Angel.

    I ain't afraid of nothing... I was an influence on my friends getting into this genre.

    Once again. Get your facts straight.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,149 ✭✭✭✭Lemming


    Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
    LMAO... Grow up?! This is coming from someone who calls himself "Lemming"?

    That "Lemming" alias comes from several sports I do/have done over the years (extreme sports if you must know).
    I know what I like. My three favourite bands are Pantera, Slayer and Morbid Angel.

    You'll forgive me for saying this, but from the discussions I've had with you, and from seeing what else you post on the boards, you appear to listen to a VERY small circle of music. I have no problems with people listening to music they like, but when d*cks like you start ridiculing everything else cause it's not part of their listening choices, I get annoyed.

    Such a WIDE varied taste you must have. In fact, I'll bet you're a fantastic specimen of a person to have an interesting and stimulating discussion on music about.


    I ain't afraid of nothing... I was an influence on my friends getting into this genre.

    Brave words. Heard them before. From people singing "I'm not afraid to die" along to words from a metal song the name of which escapes me. Everyone is afraid of something. Anyone who says otherwise is a f*cking idiot. Guess you must be one so!

    I might be willing to bet also that your friends (some of them at least) don't ONLY listen to metal music?? You might want to ask them why?

    Once again. Get your facts straight.

    There's that very defensive attitude once again. Often displayed by those afraid of something they do not understand or know about. I think you are afraid of discovering that you might actually like something that you percieve to be at odds with the image of the genre, with which you are trying to fit into, that you have inside your head.

    Purely hypothetical of course, and subject to interpretation. Therefore its not fact, but conjecture. So you may kiss my proverbial a*se!!


  • Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 12,739 Mod ✭✭✭✭cournioni


    Originally posted by Lemming

    You'll forgive me for saying this, but from the discussions I've had with you, and from seeing what else you post on the boards, you appear to listen to a VERY small circle of music.

    Brave words. Heard them before. From people singing "I'm not afraid to die" along to words from a metal song the name of which escapes me. Everyone is afraid of something. Anyone who says otherwise is a f*cking idiot. Guess you must be one so!

    I might be willing to bet also that your friends (some of them at least) don't ONLY listen to metal music?? You might want to ask them why?

    Yes I do have a small circle of music. Thats because I believe that there is a very small circle of good, decent music.

    Good guess on the idiot thing. I couldn't honestly care less about dying. Life is just like one big game to me. *shrugs*

    Yea my friends have interests in other genres. I always take the piss outta them for it cos they lsten to Bryan Adams and that sort of ****.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,149 ✭✭✭✭Lemming


    Originally posted by PORNAPSTER


    Yes I do have a small circle of music. Thats because I believe that there is a very small circle of good, decent music.

    Fair enough. Your belief. No need to start imposing it on others though. I might ask have you even tried to actually LISTEN to anything else?? Or just passed it off as sh*t cause its not by Pantera et al. ??

    Good guess on the idiot thing. I couldn't honestly care less about dying. Life is just like one big game to me. *shrugs*

    I wasn't necessarily referring to dying. That was more of a stereotypical argument. Bad choice at that though (a bit ambiguous)!

    Yea my friends have interests in other genres. I always take the piss outta them for it cos they lsten to Bryan Adams and that sort of ****.

    Once again ... see my previous bit 4 paragraphs up.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 221 ✭✭black_wizardd


    Originally posted by WhiteWashMan
    listening to the same sh17e as exodus, slayer, death etc etc etc

    Slayer, shíte, what are you on man ?. Slayer are one of the most influential bands ever, period. Why are they shíte ?, you said yourself that you used to listen to them, what changed your opinion ?.

    I'm not flaming btw, I just want to know why you changed your opinion. A valid reason would be that your musical tastes mellowed out, if this is the case then fair enough, but there's no reason to say that they are shíte.


  • Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 12,739 Mod ✭✭✭✭cournioni


    Originally posted by Lemming

    Fair enough. Your belief. No need to start imposing it on others though. I might ask have you even tried to actually LISTEN to anything else?? Or just passed it off as sh*t cause its not by Pantera et al. ??

    Na... I have tried to listen to Rap, Nu-metal, Indie, Alternative and I used to go to the ****ty Oasis over in Carrickmacross so I've listened to that Techno/Rave crap too. This type of music is made for me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,149 ✭✭✭✭Lemming


    Originally posted by PORNAPSTER


    Na... I have tried to listen to Rap, Nu-metal, Indie, Alternative and I used to go to the ****ty Oasis over in Carrickmacross so I've listened to that Techno/Rave crap too. This type of music is made for me.

    Fair enough. Your choice (somewhat my choice - among others), however not other peoples choices ... so let them have their music, you have yours, so what the f**k are you getting worked up about? If you don't like a band .. don't listen to them, and stop griping about them.

    Variety, as they say, is the spice of life.


  • Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 12,739 Mod ✭✭✭✭cournioni


    mmmkay... I made my point anyway...

    *stretches out arm*


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