Downloaded this month?

JB123

Been busy downloading 5 gigs and rising fast havnt turned pc off since wedneday anybody higher?.
Damn cap is gonna raped again in a week damn eircon. 8 gigs just aint enough I think 100gigs a month would be fair for a cap.lol

halkar

I think cap is good to keep those w@rez monkeys in their cage and stop them taking over the bandwidth so ordinary joe can enjoy their broadband too. Remember they pay too. 8 gigs is enough for avearage day to day web stuff. You go over you pay so live with it.

cormie

what do you be downloading and where do you be downloading from? pm me if its against charter to say here:)

lomb

jb123 hes calling u a war@z monkey what u going 2 do about it?

halkar

lomb wrote:

jb123 hes calling u a war@z monkey what u going 2 do about it?

No offence jb, I said those w@rez monkeys not pointing at you
we know there are maaaaaany

leeroybrown

A 512/128 DSL connection has a theoretical maximum download of under 160Gb per month based on ideal performance 24/7 (which will never happen). Given that most people with these products are on a contention ratio of 48-1, if everyone on these services abused them there would only be 4Gb a month available full stop.

OfflerCrocGod

leeroybrown wrote:

A 512/128 DSL connection has a theoretical maximum download of under 160Gb per month based on ideal performance 24/7 (which will never happen). Given that most people with these products are on a contention ratio of 48-1, if everyone on these services abused them there would only be 4Gb a month available full stop.

Not exactly, you do know the meaning of the word backhaul and I'm sure you realise the backhaul is more then 512Kbps so 4GB each is not correct.

Lump

Ha, I normally download about 30 gigs a month... maybe more if I try. I have a PC under my bed that I control over the network using VNC, it's left on 24/7.... unless I have company

However I'm not on a capped connection and I am in the UK

John

Moriarty

OfflerCrocGod wrote:

Not exactly, you do know the meaning of the word backhaul and I'm sure you realise the backhaul is more then 512Kbps so 4GB each is not correct.

Leeroy is right. Backhaul that you're so fond of is irrelevant. What's relevant is the contention ratio - 48:1. 48 customers per 512kbit segment of bandwidth.

Blaster99

I suppose I have a life or something, but how the **** can you guys find 30Gb of even vaguely interesting stuff to download?

Lump

it's not that much when you take into account Webpages, any daft movie you down load to have a look at... I down load mostly films/tv shows... i haven't watched half of them though.


John

elvis2002

hmmm.... me thinks somebody needs to use bittorrent more, ie Blaster99.

You could download 100 gigs easy in a month of sites like someplace. Just for the w@rez monkeys though... ;-)

Moriarty

elvis2002 banned for a few days for mentioning a warez site.

Bass.exe

Hey! What about fansubs? They're not w@rez.
Granted, they're usually downloaded off w@rez sites....

JB123

IM no warez monkey lol.I do a lot of streaming and downloading streetracing and drift vids+legal mp3.Im just saying that it possible to max out 8 gig cap in a matter of days.
When are eircon going to up the damn cap.If eircon decide to back charge 4 cap abuse im so screwed lol.
Iv seen stats on some sites of guys downloading like a tera byte a month.That would be a better cap hehe a Tera byte cap and a 10meg line for chrismas plz eircom. Christmas 2040 is what im aiming 4.

carbsy

I'm a monkey if that counts!

Mutant_Fruit

vaguely interesting stuff used to be readily available from www.sharingthegroove.org, until it closed down I used to regualarly get 50gb+ a month from there. It used to be a forum/bittorrent tracker for legal bootlegs. You could get live audio AND video performances, meaning it was well easy to download 8gb a month... thats only 2 live video peformances!

But since that lclosed down, my downloading has dropped considarably. But www.antsmarching.org has now come to my attention, and with about 200 live flac/shn performances of Dave Matthews Band, i'm once again downloading like a warez monkey! So much to listen to

www.radiohub.org is another such site, for radiohead related audio/video. Its a must use for fans.

If you search, there are plenty of legal places to get 100's of gigs of stuff, you just have to look.

cormie

Mutant_Fruit wrote:

But since that lclosed down, my downloading has dropped considarably. But www.antsmarching.org has now come to my attention, and with about 200 live flac/shn performances of Dave Matthews Band, i'm once again downloading like a warez monkey! So much to listen to

Are you just downloading this for the sake of downloading them or do you actually like DMB? I personally think they are great. I don't like the way files are so big through antsmarching though.

Mutant_Fruit

cormie wrote:

Are you just downloading this for the sake of downloading them or do you actually like DMB? I personally think they are great. I don't like the way files are so big through antsmarching though.

I'm not gonna download em all, but i'm going to definately take the best shows from each year. I've gotten some from 1990 (the earliest they have) and some of it is pretty damn good.

Fine, the size is pretty large, but since i'm uncapped, i don't care. I'm getting some music that is impossible to get in shops or anywhere else for that matter! And since i think DMB is pretty good, i might as well download it! I don't think their planning a tour through ireland anytime soon, so this is my only oppertunity to experience their live performances. I'll probably only take about 20 shows in total (unless he's more amazing than i expect ), but those 20 shows will probably be over 8gigs in size... more than enough to break eircoms cap, and thats just the DMB downloads.

OfflerCrocGod

Moriarty wrote:

What's relevant is the contention ratio - 48:1. 48 customers per 512kbit segment of bandwidth.

So how come I can get 50Kb speeds for hours on end, the other 48 die?

cormie

Mutant_Fruit wrote:

I don't think their planning a tour through ireland anytime soon, so this is my only oppertunity to experience their live performances.

yeah, what a pitty, I await the day I see dmb on ticketmaster.ie !!

Blaster99

Yes, they're obviously dead or incapacitated in some form or another. Otherwise why aren't they stuck to their computer downloading ****e all day long?

Mutant_Fruit

Originally Posted by Moriarty
What's relevant is the contention ratio - 48:1. 48 customers per 512kbit segment of bandwidth.

Blaster99 wrote:

Yes, they're obviously dead or incapacitated in some form or another. Otherwise why aren't they stuck to their computer downloading ****e all day long?

Obviously they are... Are you telling me that none of the (possible) 47 other people downloading from your 512kbit segment of bandwidth ever download at the same time as you?

Cos all it would take would be 3 of those people to slow it to a crawl. Even one other person would make a sizeable dent in your downloading speed. The fact is that practically every person i remember posting about eircoms download speed (and others) says that its about 55kb/sec rock solid. It makes you wonder whats really being contended, as opposed to what people think is being contended.

Vadrefjorde

http://www.adslguide.org.uk/howitworks/contention.asp

I see in this article that even our electricity has a contention ratio :eek:

Just as well eircon are not involved with ESB then

JB123

Well thats it again got up this morning checked DU meter im at 8.27 gigs.Think ill run it up 2 10gigs then stop.Currant file being downloaded is 2.25gb will be fiished after lunch.Damn it only the 5th and no cap left. :mad:

SirLemonhead

I'm at 1.3 gigs on the 8 gig a month product. Normally I keep within the 8 gig limit but this month could be different..

It's like being on 56k all over again. Only now its 'god damn i'm using too much, better stop. mod for a game? can't get that' whereas before it was 'can't stay online too long, phone bill will be high'

Argh :mad:

snappieT

Get irishbroadband (http://www.irishbroadband.ie/htmdocs/our_products/ripwave.htm)

30 yoyos for unlimited downloading and they don't care what sites you download off (Not that I or anybody else downloads unsavory content)

Moriarty

Mutant_Fruit wrote:

Obviously they are... Are you telling me that none of the (possible) 47 other people downloading from your 512kbit segment of bandwidth ever download at the same time as you?

Cos all it would take would be 3 of those people to slow it to a crawl. Even one other person would make a sizeable dent in your downloading speed. The fact is that practically every person i remember posting about eircoms download speed (and others) says that its about 55kb/sec rock solid. It makes you wonder whats really being contended, as opposed to what people think is being contended.

You may not notice contention because it's never pure 48:1 contention. The lowest it would actually be is something like 192:4 and usually much higher. The more the numbers go up, the less you'll notice contention.

CrowdedHouse

I think it's 48 per 2 Mbits(for eircom)

Moriarty

I don't think so Ei2JC. Are you just guessing or do you know something I don't?

CrowdedHouse

........Yes but it's Classified !!!!!

Moriarty

Uh huh

As far as I can gather, eircom run at least one PVC per service type per exchange, they don't lump them all together.

OfflerCrocGod

Moriarty wrote:

I don't think so Ei2JC. Are you just guessing or do you know something I don't?

That's pretty meagre, BT have 4Mb which is enough for 8 people without a problem (I think it's gone up to 10Mb) - they connect 400 people onto that though.This article explains it nicely.

Many people assume that because 50 users are sharing bandwidth, that means there are 50 users connected to a single 512Kb backhaul (50:1 account type).

This is not true. If it were like this, then there is a very extreme chance of one single user using the full potential of the connection in one go, leaving others chewing dust and crawling.

Instead, BT provide 4Mb/s backhauls as standard. As noted above, the size and type will depend on the exchange. ...

So it depends on whether the backhaul can support the number of people, or not. Since €ircon don't want to spend any money upgrading the backhauls to faster speeds we will be stuck with these crappy speeds and caps for ever :mad: Another thing I don't understand is why is off-peak included in the cap calculation.....who needs full speed at 4 in the morning! - it really should be a free for all after peak times. Bulldog does something like that.

Moriarty

OfflerCrocGod wrote:

That's pretty meagre, BT have 4Mb which is enough for 8 people without a problem (I think it's gone up to 10Mb) - they connect 400 people onto that though.This article explains it nicely.

uh? That's what I've been telling you all along. Eircom do the same thing.

OfflerCrocGod wrote:

So it depends on whether the backhaul can support the number of people, or not.

Not really. Backhaul out of the exchange is not a limiting factor. There's enough to go around.

OfflerCrocGod wrote:

Since €ircon don't want to spend any money upgrading the backhauls to faster speeds we will be stuck with these crappy speeds and caps for ever :mad:

The caps and low bandwidth rates have very little to do with the capacity of eircoms network. It's a way to squeeze more money out of people for as low a quality of service as they can get away with providing.

OfflerCrocGod wrote:

Another thing I don't understand is why is off-peak included in the cap calculation.....who needs full speed at 4 in the morning! - it really should be a free for all after peak times.

Just because you don't want a decent speed at 4 in the morning doesn't mean that everyone else is the same. I doubt peak times see the most bandwidth use in any case, I suspect peak useage hits around 8-9pm on weekdays when everyone goes on the net at home.

OfflerCrocGod

Moriarty wrote:

uh? That's what I've been telling you all along. Eircom do the same thing.

If you say so but to me it sounded different, you made it sound as if there were 48 people bundled together and they all shared a single 512kb line

Moriarty wrote:

Leeroy is right. Backhaul that you're so fond of is irrelevant. What's relevant is the contention ratio - 48:1. 48 customers per 512kbit segment of bandwidth.

Which is not what is going on at all it's the backhaul that's contended with our speeds blocked at a maximum speed of 512kb so if the one of the 'channels' on the backhaul is being used to its full speed by some one then I can always go onto another 'channel' on the backhaul and still get my full speed. The more 'channels' the backhaul supports the higher the speed each person can have or the lower the contention or the more people the exchange can support. The telecom operator need only buy as much backhaul as they need. So you have a 10Mb line which is the equivalent of 20 'channels' there can be 10 data hogs and 150 light browsers on at the same time and no one will notice the contention, the hogs get full speed on 10 channels the browsers get the other 10 channels to share. So the backhaul is broken up into segments and you get to use them in a FIFO manner

Moriarty wrote:

Not really. Backhaul out of the exchange is not a limiting factor. There's enough to go around. The caps and low bandwidth rates have very little to do with the capacity of eircoms network. It's a way to squeeze more money out of people for as low a quality of service as they can get away with providing.

I was talking about a real telecoms operator not our mickey mouse one. I do think though that there is an actual reason for this, if I remember correctly when I was looking over the conditions of the contract for IOL they pledged a certain speed line - at the minimum I would always get 256kbps speeds and the max is 512kbps (even with contention). So as more users are connected to the exchange the service promise gets closer and closer to being broken which means the capacity of the exchange has to be upgraded.....which costs so that's a big no-no to the great mickey mouse. Caps are just a way of making the backhaul stretch further by penalising the people who actually thought broadband actually meant broadband, but I agree that there is bandwidth there and that it is going idle I never though anything other then that since Day 1. There's probably a lot of unused bandwidth just sitting around on most €ircon exchanges. As I said already though if you increase the backhaul you can improve ratios and/or download speeds or remove caps because big data users are only ever using one 'channel' at a time. If you increase speeds without increasing the backhaul though you are in trouble. Taking my above^^ example at 1Mbps instead of 512kbps the 10 data hogs are all of a sudden using all 10 channels of the 10 Mbps line and not just half of them. So they and the browsers will start to get affected by the contention and their speeds will start to go down.

Moriarty wrote:

Just because you don't want a decent speed at 4 in the morning doesn't mean that everyone else is the same. I doubt peak times see the most bandwidth use in any case, I suspect peak useage hits around 8-9pm on weekdays when everyone goes on the net at home.

At 4 in the morning there will be fewer people online to contend with and many of the channels that I speak of will be lying idle - utterly unused. At which stage you may as well let people use it without worring about the cap, there will only be a few residents who will keep their computers on 24/7. As for usuage I was taking into account the whole business + home users market - after all we are all connected to the same exchanges. Your average home owner will not rival a company's usage, us here on Boards are not the norm.

Moriarty

You're just confusing yourself croc.

Paragraphs are also a beautiful thing.

smileyrecords

17/10/2004 23/10/2004 3.62 GB 83.43 MB 3.70 GB N/A 
24/10/2004 30/10/2004 10.35 GB 336.73 MB 10.68 GB N/A 
31/10/2004 06/11/2004 12.43 GB 248.96 MB 12.67 GB N/A 
07/11/2004 13/11/2004 7.76 GB 332.30 MB 8.09 GB N/A 
14/11/2004 20/11/2004 14.17 GB 681.94 MB 14.84 GB N/A 
21/11/2004 27/11/2004 8.97 GB 612.09 MB 9.57 GB N/A 
28/11/2004 04/12/2004 22.90 GB 3.52 GB 26.42 GB 10 min 49 sec 
05/12/2004 11/12/2004 6.66 GB 150.97 MB 6.81 GB N/A 

according to du meter,

Data downloaded since 22/10/2004 11:48
Downloaded 86.8GB
Uploaded 5.91GB
Both Directions 92.85GB

NOW HOWS A WAREZ MONKEY

oh and it didnt cost me anything god bless wifi

Moriarty

Wow, you're so great. I wish I could be just like you.

smileyrecords

NOW HOWS A WAREZ MONKEY

i was being sarcastic....

its hard not to download when u can get this speed

OfflerCrocGod

Moriarty wrote:

You're just confusing yourself croc.

Paragraphs are also a beautiful thing.

You're confusing me.

Explaining what you're on about is also a beautiful thing.

<edit> if there is a problem with what I wrote then say so, or even if you don't understand something.