SGA, Season 1, Episode 14: Sanctuary [Spoilers]

User45701

I havent seen this one yet but i watched the first min of it and it seems good. i havent watche dit cause its 20 meg quality any 350 megs of 114 i find are actually 113 its annoying

User45701

OK nice episode
we now know of 3 anchients who have been banhised
ome delsala
that guy that was trying to get with carter
that 1 in this episode

ixoy

Just finished watching. A pretty decent episode. At the start there was some nice solid character banter - Teyla proved herself useful again, without interfering and her teasing of Sheppard was amusing. His awkward reaction to the romance was quite cute too.

I sympathised with Rodney. As someone who doesn't believe in any religion, I can empathise with his extreme irritation at it being used as an excuse to cover things up. It was in keeping with his character.

I'm not 100% sure though how I feel about what we learn of the Atlantean Ancients (and I heard Atlantean again, not Lantian). I thought that it was only those in the Milky Way who ascended, like Oma Desala in "Maternal Instinct". Now we're to believe that some did in the Pegaus Galaxy - but, in that case, how were they defeated? Why didn't the ascended fight off the wraith? Still the punishment for going out of line was on a par with what we've seen before - Daniel, Anubis, etc. I'm just still trying to reconcile Atlantean Ancient and our galaxy's Ancients and their history...

NeoSlicerZ

The ascended's prime rule is of non intervention... therefore they didn't fight the wraith in their ascended forms. Shepard saying at the end "This, is cool" was the icing on the cake for me, brilliant stuff. I loved the rants from McKay aswell, I myself feel the pain of arguing with religious people.

mr_angry

Neo is right when he says that the ascended Ancients primary rule is non-interference with corporial cultures, hence their non-intervention in the case of the Wraith. I'm getting the impression more and more often that the Ancients ascention was based on a sudden fundamental religious experience that changed their perspective on existence completely. Why else would they make non-intervention their highest law when they themselves were the subject of much of the Wraith's malevolance?

Of course, its entirely possible that the Ancients are not the only ascended species, and that other races lived on this higher plane of existence when they arrived. They may be conforming to rules set out by others, rather than their own rules.

I sympathise somethat with Chia (sp?) on the aspect of McKay's attitude towards religion. I can appreciate his frustration at their not desiring to understand Athaia's true mechanism, but he was absolutely insulting to their religious beliefs. Fair enough, he doesn't have to share them, but antagonising these people served no purpose, least of all to get them to share their technology. And when it comes down to it, were their beliefs even wrong? The abbot at the start claimed that a being called Athaia protected them and provided for them, and that they could communicate with her. And yet this was actually true. For this reason, I find it hard to sympathise with McKay on this occassion.

ixoy

mr_angry wrote:

I sympathise somethat with Chia (sp?) on the aspect of McKay's attitude towards religion. I can appreciate his frustration at their not desiring to understand Athaia's true mechanism, but he was absolutely insulting to their religious beliefs. Fair enough, he doesn't have to share them, but antagonising these people served no purpose, least of all to get them to share their technology.

Yup, and I think that's why it was handled very well. In some ways, the scientist view can be just as narrow minded as the religious one that it slams sometimes. McKay is a very good example of this - he's the sort of man who will want a scientific explanation for everything and, if he can't find it, it's only because the tools aren't there yet and not because it's unattainable. This episode showed the clashing of the two ideologies where there was no common ground. McKay was obstinate throughout, refusing to budge, just as Chia was. So yes, McKay was being an ass, but I really empathise at the same time.

Sadly next week is the last of our new run of SG:A but it's not too long off before we get new SG1. And we'll get to see 8x17 - Threads before everyone else (apparently a really big shakeup episode).

User45701

kool cant wait im also eager to find out he resultsof what happened in SG1 810 a brillebnt episode we dont know the exact scale of what happened

Ivan

User45701 wrote:

OK nice episode
we now know of 3 anchients who have been banhised
ome delsala
that guy that was trying to get with carter
that 1 in this episode

Was Oma Desala Banished?

I didnt think so?

Pretty great episode, but we saw it coming.
In fairness, they need to stop the "Previously on".
It gives too much away, as to whats coming next. Why dont they just assume that anyone who is watching this episode is a diehard fan and has already seen it. By saying "previously..." and mentioning ascended ancients, it was too easy to put 2 + 2 together.

Great episode though. I went from - "The high priestess is the Ascended Ancient" to "Its gotta be a weapon" and right back again.
Really well done. However, is it so difficult for them to assume that someone could be an Ancient or Ascended ancient from the word go?
Its a good thing they have McKay around or they might never have worked up enough paranoia to figure it all out.

JustHalf

McKay was an ass, to the point of idiocy... his rants did nothing but insult these people. I'm surprised Shepard didn't hit him.

How many hive ships were in orbit? I wonder who's keeping track of all of these lost hive ships.

Chaya was damn hot. You know it.

mr_angry

Oma Desala was effectively banished for interfering in corporial matters. She, and a number of her followers, are tolerated by the ancients as long as they don't use their powers to do anything drastic.

User45701

strange that the anchiens see most of there species die at the hands of the wraith and then not fight back when they could