2025 Ryder Cup, Bethpage, NY.

spacecoyote

Americans will 100% wins, probably at cruising speed.

Home turf is just too big an advantage in the Ryder Cup now.

Also, Bethpage needs you to be long and a very good putter if I remember correctly, and thats two areas the Americans usually have an advantage

slave1

Anything can happen, we were anticipating a US streak of dominance given the World Rankings the past few years and it blanked in Rome, as most of Europe play in the US the US centric course advantage weakens over the years also.

Whilst length is always important for the RC it will be down to putts

Trampas

McDowell would do anything to be involved. Well Graeme you chose an easy buck over being involved so spare use the crocodile tears

daithi7

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123759815#Comment_123759815

Yeah, it's a shame imho that home advantage is allowed be such a factor, but it is.

The crowds are always going to be very biased for the home side but also letting the home side captain basically specify how the home course is set up, dictates that it's extremely hard to attain an away victory in the Ryder Cup.

The yanks get the course set up very long and with lightning fast greens cos that suits them, and Europe get the course set up very tight , with penalising rough close by and with slower greens cos that suits us. The result is very one sided, home biased results.

P.s. the 'Miracle at Medinah' was a miracle for a myriad of reasons.

slave1

I forgot about the crowd, that's an obvious advantage but the Yanks have been to loud in recent years as well documented, such narrow mindless as they'll be cheering the same players in a PGA event

coillcam

It would be a huge break from tradition but imagine if they held it in a neutral venue/country as a one off.

I don't think it could ever happen but money talks.

martingriff

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123765715#Comment_123765715

They would have to do it twice as no team would give up there turn but I could see it in UAE or Saudi Arabia sometime

Mantis Toboggan

A Ryder cup in Dubai would be awful. Home and away is fine, very hard to win away from home but not impossible. Don't rule Europe out just yet.

spacecoyote

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123765566#Comment_123765566

Double it down as a New York crowd. Its likely to get very raucous.

Deeper Blue

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123764114#Comment_123764114

Came across as an absolute clown with his quotes after joining LIV. Would've been a shoo in for Adare you'd imagine. Ah well at least he's got 30 million dollars to dry his tears.

Mantis Toboggan

Could still be captain? If it's alright for the players why not for the captain?

prawnsambo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123767459#Comment_123767459

He hasn't been a member of the DP World Tour since 2024. So I don't think he'd be eligible. The players concerned are.

The Big Easy

Yeah, I'd say there's no chance McDowell, Westwood, Poulter or anyone like that is a RC captain.

The big testing ground will the 2031 RC in Spain where Sergio Garcia would have certainly been captain if not for LIV.

Now, will things have come together enough by then for him still to be captain, or will the clamouring be too loud regardless.

It's hard to know, he's rejoined the Tour, as he semi-deludedly thought he could make the team this year.

Mantis Toboggan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123768052#Comment_123768052

Could rejoin though? With LIV players playing I'd have no problem with a LIV captain, think the tournament would benefit from having the likes of Poulter, Garcia & Phil as captains.

prawnsambo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123768382#Comment_123768382

He could, but would have to pay the fines.

Trampas

I wonder if Wallace wins today will he get in. It has happened a lot recently that last tournament winners gets a pick. I think Wallace is to hot headed for Ryder cup

Deeper Blue

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123771617#Comment_123771617

I reckon Donald is delighted Lawrence won. Probably makes the call to Wallace that bit easier. I didn't expect Wallace to get in even with a win.

Rumors that Straka has some personal/family issues so if he's left out I assume N Højgaard will take the spot ahead of Wallace.

Fitz, Lowry, Rahm, Aberg, Hovland are nailed on for the other five spots I take it.

Mantis Toboggan

Straka will be a loss, he's been very consistent. Fancy Aaron Rai for the final spot.

slave1

Shane and Rahm in

Trampas

No surprises at all with selection

Trampas

11 of same players from last one. Should make it easier for Donald on pairings and other is a twin of previous time.

coylemj

In the European ranking table, Ludvig Åberg was 9th and Viktor Hovland was 10th. So you'd expect that, if both of them were going to get the nod, Luke would have announced them in that order. But he didn't - Viktor (10) was announced as the fourth captain's pick and Ludvig (9) as the fifth.

I had the ranking table open and, when Luke announced Viktor (10), I assumed that mean that Ludvig (9) was out. Which turned out to not be the case.

Might seem insignificant but if I was Åberg, I'd regard it as a slight. I know he would have gotten a phone call before the official announcement but can't understand why Luke announced those two lads in the way he did.

Trampas

Fitzpatrick 1 point from 8 is definitely a reason to select him

HanShotFirst

Would have picked Nicolai over Lowry or Straka for the Højgaard / Højgaard pairing.

finbarrk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123765735#Comment_123765735

Not in our lifetime I’d say.

slave1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123777008#Comment_123777008

Look at the team and look at how many play the PGA Tour circuit..there's no hope for anyone still playing the DP tour as their main day job, was the same for last RC, you can win multiple DP events and won't be selected

The Big Easy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123777795#Comment_123777795

Nicolai was a full-time DP Tour memwner when he made the team last time I think?

It's becoming rarer and rarer though.

You had the like of Dubuisson, Sullivan, Gallagher in the not too distant past.

I think 6 automatic spots makes a bit of a mockery of the whole thing, it should be 8 minimum. Maybe even have one spot dedicated for the best DP world tour player (who isn't a member of the PGA Tour)

Trampas

This the first year where there wasn’t a European tour only ranking or was that the previous one? With majors and wgc back then it was still heavily based on pga tour members.

Really a full time European tour member has a small chance of making the team as things stand.

slave1

I think the saddest was excluding the DP Player of the Year Meronk, especially considering he won on the RC course.

That put an absolute nail in a DP centric player being selected

abff

Unfortunately, the DP World tour has become largely irrelevant over the past few years because of changes in the World Rankings system and the hugely increased disparity in prize money between it and the PGA Tour. And the change in name that took place a few years earlier took away any pretence that it was a global tour capable of attracting world class players to its events.

Going back to a system where there are spots allocated based on DP World tour rankings wouldn’t change the strength of the fields playing on the tour. All it would do is ensure that one or more automatic spots on the Ryder Cup team would be occupied by players who wouldn’t otherwise have any chance of making the team. This would weaken the team and lessen the likelihood of Europe continuing to stick it to the Yanks on a regular basis.