The true Christian church was the Celtic church

sherod

I am quite amazed that so many of my fellow Irishmen are Catholic when it was this church that had a centuries old war against our Celtic church and eventually with the help of Germanic England and the Vikings, subverted, destroyed, and replaced the true Celtic church. If any one read Dave Hunts book: A Woman Rides the Beast, you would learn some of that church’s real history.

Thinkingaboutit

David Hunt's book is anti-Catholic pseudo-history.

The so called Celtic Church was a nineteenth invention designed to manufacture a spurious heritage for the Irish Protestantism (at least those missionary souper types who plagued Dublin up to the 1930s) predating Hal's marital issues, bloody Bess' violent conquests, and Ollie's bloody depredations and to deny a people under British rule, having endured the Penal Laws, their past, their heritage and faith. First Palladius, a deacon from Gaulish noble family, were sent to Ireland by Pope St Celestine as a bishop for the 'Scotti' (Irish) believing in Christ in 431 AD. In fact St Columbanus in 613 AD writes to Pope Boniface IV of how the faith 'was first handed to us by you, the successors of the holy apostles' in reference to this mostly forgotten deacon, his memory perhaps effaced by highly successful monastery of Armagh who championed St Patrick and his mission. After his return from slavery St Patrick trained and was tonsured in Auxerre. St Maximus of Turin consecrated him. His mission as bishop to the Irish is given in Irish annals as 431. His quotes from the bible used a mixture of the Vetus Itala and Vulgate (from where the biblical canon as now used was finally fixed), both utterly Roman works. The liturgy used in Ireland was Western and Latin, a Use differing a bit from Gaul or Rome or those of Spain, but very clearly Roman. St Patrick himself wrote his very individual style of Latin and roots his upbringing in a Romano-British milieu.

sherod

you must go back farther than Columba. I am talking before the Catholic Church got its finger nails dug into the Celtic church. The war of the Celtic church against the Catholic Church was a centuries world war in which they along with the English Germans and the Vikings coordinated the complete destruction of the true church.

smacl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123176942#Comment_123176942

Which historical references are you using to support this point of view? A quick read of the Wikipedia page on Celtic Christianity appears to find it problematic, not that Wikipedia is authoritative. See below;

However, modern scholars have identified problems with all of these claims, and find the term "Celtic Christianity" problematic in and of itself.

Modern scholarship roundly rejects the idea of a "Celtic Church" due to the lack of substantiating evidence.

Indeed, distinct Irish and British church traditions existed, each with their own practices, and there was significant local variation even within the individual Irish and British spheres.

While the Irish and British churches had some traditions in common, these were relatively few. Even these commonalities did not exist due to the "Celticity" of the regions, but due to other historical and geographical factors.

Additionally, the Christians of Ireland and Britain were not "anti-Roman"; Celtic areas respected the authority of Rome and the papacy as strongly as any other region of Europe.

Caitlin Corning further notes that the "Irish and British were no more pro-women, pro-environment, or even more spiritual than the rest of the Church."

Manach

Speaking as a historian my response being based on part on have read last year "Medieval Christianity: A New History " by Kevin Madigan, the OP's claims more is in line with modernist myth than actual history.

sherod

I guess multiple you tube videos and multiple books and an avalanche of articles all identifying the Celtic church and it’s war with the Catholic Church has just escaped some of your eye balls during your entire life times? People, this is not rocket science. The evidence is not hard to find

yagan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123178854#Comment_123178854

"dO YouR Own ResEarCh sheeple!!"

Yawn.

smacl

Mod: Ok, this thread seems to be a rehash of another almost identical thread running on the conspiracy theory forum. The topic seems better suited to that forum so I'm locking it here.