Missing 8yr Old Kyran Durnin - presumed dead *READ Mod Note Added to OP*

StrawbsM

Reported missing on 30th August after not being seen for 2 days. He’s 8 years old. Why would you leave it 2 days before reporting it?

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2024/1016/1475727-drogheda-investigation/

Mod - Move on from the statutory rape comments please, it's not relevant

Wanderer78

very very disturbing story, poor little man

StrawbsM

…….

NIMAN

Sounds like they won't have to look too far to find the culprits.

StrawbsM

Now I’m confused. Is the mother alive?

Boxcar_Willie

Mother was located in the UK without the child.

holly_johnson

Is this the same case as the one where someone brought a child who was not theirs to a Tusla check-in meeting?

Wanderer78

jesus this is an awful story, mental health issues can be very very scary!

Boxcar_Willie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122725560#Comment_122725560

Could very well be.
Apparently the mother was giving Tulsa excuses as to why the child wasn’t present at meetings.
RTE News were reporting at lunchtime that it’s assumed the child met a violent death some months ago .

StrawbsM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122725591#Comment_122725591

Jesus

Meetings, plural?

Boxcar_Willie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122725638#Comment_122725638

Missed several apparently

Leg End Reject

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122725679#Comment_122725679

If this is true Tusla is again proven to be unfit for purpose.

Astartes

I'm editing this comment it's insensitive. Apologies

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122725714#Comment_122725714

understandable really, when a state is simply unwilling to implement appropriate long term supports for all involved, probably wont ever change either

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122725699#Comment_122725699

Tusla or social workers do not have the resources or staff to even manage a fraction of the worst cases.

It's really shocking

Gusser09

Mental health will obviously be used as an excuse here. Sounds like there are issues throughout the family.

Gardai believe the grandmothet cpuldnt have seen the chikd alive on the 28th of august.

A serious cover up involving a lot of people.

Terribly sad and disturbing stuff. Rip young man.

o1s1n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122725484#Comment_122725484

The 'may have died violently' is particularly chilling in that. :(

Francie Barrett

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122725790#Comment_122725790

How can that be so?

Tusla has an annual budget of €1 billion (yes, that's a billion).

https://assets.gov.ie/297293/5455ed97-5db5-4299-9725-21a070bc4262.pdf

What is Roderic O' Gorman doing with this money? Shovelling it out to high price consultants, coke and hookers? There must be astronomical levels of waste going on.

SuperBowserWorld

Very sad story. Puts so many things on perspective. I definitely think we all need to step off the hamster wheel in this country for a bit and reflect on where we are being taken.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122725809#Comment_122725809

significant long term mental health issues would be common in highly dysfunctional families, under such conditions, its common for highly complex psychological issues such as cluster b disorders to form, traits such as pathological lying and deceit would be common with such, the virginia mccullough situation in the uk would be a similar dysfunctional family case

whelan2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122725714#Comment_122725714

Are people not allowed to recover from mental breakdowns? Or are they always branded by their breakdown

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122725843#Comment_122725843

What hamster wheel?

Esel

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walshb

Was wondering how long before mental health excuses came out and the blame game on Tusla..

It’s as much legal eagles and legal stumbling blocks that allow children remain in very dangerous situations.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122725872#Comment_122725872

not really, long term supports post breakdown are rare, met a few that have had, long term supports were poor to say the least, and in some case, non existent at all, know plenty that have worked in the sector for decades, have said its always been so….

still significant stigma regarding mental health issues, probably always will be, struggle with mental health issues myself, part and parcel with my disorders, never required psychiatric care though, thank god, supports are still poor enough for me, if you dont have sufficient money to provide your own care, you re effectively goosed!

welcome to health care ireland!

Astartes

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Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122725901#Comment_122725901

not an excuse at all, plenty of evidence globally of serious crimes, mass murders etc linked to the ineffective care of long term mental issues

SuperBowserWorld

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122725876#Comment_122725876

The hyper consumption, hyper competition, greed driven, dog eat dog, materialistic one.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122725829#Comment_122725829

They don't have the staff. It's a terrible job. The workload, the stress, the abuse. Al lot of social workers leave the profession.

whelan2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122725908#Comment_122725908

If the person is now on the right medication and has family support- mental health system in this country is crap- why should they always be branded by their breakdown. Breakdowns can be caused by alot of things not just mental illness, stress, fatigue other issues. I'd be very annoyed if someone was blabbing on the internet about a certain case from the outside.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122725829#Comment_122725829

the sector actually requires multiple times more that per annum, to effectively deal with the issues, probably wont ever happen though, so, more messed up stories such as, will occur in the future….

StrawbsM

There doesn’t seem to be a shred of guilt shown for what’s been done. If there was, the location of the poor boy would be known by now.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122725945#Comment_122725945

common with plenty of disorders, including cluster b's

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122725924#Comment_122725924

Ireland has always had a terrible track record of child care, and despite what nostalgia says people were greedy back in the day. So unfortunately this case is another stain on Ireland's record of looking after children.

I don't envy anyone the job of having to decide when the state intervenes in a family, jump in too prematurely and you run the risk of being accused of over reaching. Not bothering to see why a child isn't at a meeting, you can end up with something like this case.

aero2k

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122725932#Comment_122725932

Let me start by saying what a horrible tragedy this appears to be based on the reported facts.

"If the person is now on the right medication"

Like yourself and many others I suspect, I believed that there was a pill for most common mental health disorders and that people just needed to keep taking the meds. I've changed my views due to extensive reading on the subject. Robert Whitaker has done incredible work in this area, other rational sceptics are David Healy, Joanna Moncrief and Peter Gotzsche.

https://johnhorgan.org/cross-check/the-drug-based-approach-to-mental-illness-has-failed-what-are-alternatives

TheValeyard

Stories like this really make you want to grab your own kids and give them a real big squeezey hug.

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122725932#Comment_122725932

A lot of ifs, all it needs id for one to go wrong.

whelan2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122726013#Comment_122726013

Have you or someone very close to you ever had a mental illness?

o1s1n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122725932#Comment_122725932

If the mental health system in this country is crap, then how can we trust someone to go through the system and then put them back in custody of a child they've already tried to murder, twice?

Of course nobody wants to brand people after having a breakdown, but if they've attempted to kill their child twice already it's not a reach to think the child could still be in danger.

Dial Hard

This is a really weird story. The Irish Times is reporting that the mother has been located safe & well in the UK, but the tabs are carrying statements from her mother begging her to make contact. In fact, the Irish Times piece said earlier that the mother had been found five days after they were first reported missing, which would have been September 4th, but has since been updated to just say she was found in the UK. Meanwhile, the Mirror is saying "Kyran Durnin and his mother Dayla went missing overnight on August 28 from the family's home in County Louth, Ireland, after the 24-year-old left a note saying she 'needed to get away for a few days'. Police launched search efforts two days later, and despite 'extensive enquiries' have not found any clues to their whereabouts well over a month later."

Times also saying that "Some individuals known to the child have been co-operating with the investigation while others have been less forthcoming". Sounds like the family know exactly what happened and have been covering it up for some time. Poor little mite, sounds like he had a very rough life.

Gusser09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122726040#Comment_122726040

Waiting to hear that the grandmother also had mental health problems.

Cordell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122725932#Comment_122725932

No, sorry, even if it was as simple as take the pill and be 100% fine, the child would still be just a missed pill away from yet another attempt on their life. So regardless of circumstances and causes and reasons, once an attempt has ben made, or any sort of serious violence or abuse, then that should be the end of it, the child should be taken away. They can recover, they cam visit but never again should they have the custody given back.

Mrs OBumble

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122725872#Comment_122725872

People can and do recover.

But that goes not mean they should be allowed unsupervised care of children.

Especially if their disorder involves causing harm to other people.

aero2k

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122726028#Comment_122726028

I'd say most people in Ireland have someone in their extended family /friend circle who suffer or have suffered from mental health issues but I won't discuss my own or other people's private health issues on a public forum. I accept that it's a fair question in trying to assess if I have a particular bias. I was actually so shocked by what I read a few years ago that I've tried very hard to find convincing evidence to the contrary since, with no success. I am doing my best to be objective - I posted a link that I think presents a compelling case.

I had drafted a detailed reply to you but deleted it as I don't want to go OT (though we are already discussing mental health) and I'm conscious of the awfulness of the case. My main interest is in the truth - you'll see that in my posts on other threads where I argue against commonly accepted truths that don't stand up to scientific or logical scrutiny.

Lest there be any doubt: I believe mental suffering is real, and I have huge sympathy for sufferers, their friends and families.

Leg End Reject

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122725790#Comment_122725790

It beggars belief that this can happen in 2024. 8 year Kyran was known to be at risk, his mother failed to bring him to meetings, he's believed to have been missing for longer than reported and to have met a violent end.

I'm in no way blaming the individuals who work for Tusla, but it is not functioning as it should and the government need to be held to account for that. It's a tragedy that could have been prevented.

SuperBowserWorld

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122725991#Comment_122725991

Agree.

My point is that people are so busy and so stretched that **** happens. Technology lets us do things faster and let's more people do more work, but some kinds of work just can't be done "fast" or automated.

Such as face to face child care/mental health care/social work. There is the appearance of work being done, but it's only at a very superficial level.

I'm not going to excuse what has happened here as well don't know the details.

It's just shocking and so sad.

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122726233#Comment_122726233

There is a horrible accountability issue in Ireland that has always been around, if it's not tackled then who knows what kind of opposition that voters may turn to.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122726394#Comment_122726394

oh dont worry, theres gonna be little or no change in irish governments for a very very long time!

Day Lewin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122726197#Comment_122726197

The adults who "may have killed" this child must also be held to account. Plenty of people have schizophrenia or bipolar etc and they don't murder their kids. It's wicked and wrong to harm a child and while allowances may be made, there's no get-out-of-jail-free card. Some personal responsibility!

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122726433#Comment_122726433

…but some do! plenty of mass murders linked to my own disorder!

Leg End Reject

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122726433#Comment_122726433

Oh, definitely, but there should have been intervention before it got to this point. Kyran should have been removed from his family if they were not able or willing to care for him.