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F1 2024 - Round 19 - USA - Circuit of the Americas

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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 6,298 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Aris


    I don't think the drivers' championship was ever in doubt. That was just online hype, lead by the eejits on Sky. It would need a monumental collapse by the best driver in the grid.

    Constructors' gonna be interesting. I would say a 3-way battle which would be exciting- but not sure with Perez' form. But Ferrari could give McLaren a run for their money.

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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 10,725 Mod ✭✭✭✭Andrew76


    Did Texas run out of funds For the trophies? Tyres for 2nd and 3rd did I see? Bit crap that is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,295 ✭✭✭waynescales1


    Norris had two big chances going into Turn 12 and wasn't aggressive enough. I think hoping to have enough overspeed and overtake Verstappen around the outside was a bad tactic. Verstappen was never giving up the place that way, all he had to do was squeeze him off the track, if Norris tried to run it around the outside. I'd have liked to have seen him at least try to find the inside line into Turn 12.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 977 ✭✭✭niallm77


    THe whining from Mclaren is pathetic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,806 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Oh ya, that's a typo on my part. I reckon ferrari are locked for p2. It shows that a team needs 2 drivers, and last year was an aberration with how dominent max was in the red bull.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,179 ✭✭✭Longing




  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 10,725 Mod ✭✭✭✭Andrew76


    That was a fair analysis from Ant there. Penalty was deserved.
    If there was many more laps left the yes don’t give there place back, but there was only 2 laps or so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 977 ✭✭✭niallm77


    Davidson making a show of McLarens whining there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 256 ✭✭Ultimate Gowlbag


    Thank god they dont post here where nobody ever whines!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 977 ✭✭✭niallm77


    TOto accusing the FIA of bias in favour of Red Bull there



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 10,725 Mod ✭✭✭✭Andrew76


    Jayzus now they’re banging on about rule changes. If there was gravel or grass on the outside in that corner then Lando isn’t trying that move at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,806 ✭✭✭quokula


    As a wider point, the penalty is not fit for purpose if it allows drivers to just overtake illegally and get away with it if they have enough laps left to pull away by five seconds. Not relevant in this particular case but it happens so often that it kind of makes a mockery of the rules.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 10,725 Mod ✭✭✭✭Andrew76




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,077 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    Bloody hell, as if Sky's coverage wasn't bad enough they've brought in Danica "Trump Will Save Us From The Lizard People" Patrick.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 34,410 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    Reckon they would have considered giving him a 10 second penalty had he been 5 or more ahead - they need to look into a way of making it definitely not worthwhile not giving it back straight away.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,095 ✭✭✭thefa


    Feel like Norris would need a Verstappen DNF fairly soon to have any chance.

    Red Bull seems to have enough performance for Max to get the job done but I guess what’s been exciting about this season is the best car varying by track.


    Collapinto has put a bit of a damper on Albon’s reputation rebuild over the last few years. Guess Sainz next season coming into Albon’s team will be the best indicator.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,806 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Herself and Button are always on for the us races. Which is a right shame because Button is excellent and Patrick is brutal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,806 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    The 5s rule has been terrible for a long time. Brundle was even mentioning it before the lando/max incident how in a lot of cases it's easier for teams to take the penalty and run away up the road and just absorb it.

    Not sure what the best solution is though.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 6,298 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Aris


    Drive through penalties maybe? I seem to recall them being a thing many years ago.

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 34,410 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    I actually quite like the fact that Button seems not to like her and tends to show it without care.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,806 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Loads of videos will pop up of him rolling his eyes or obviously thinking she's a dose



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,481 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Post race position drop regardless of time gap.

    This too shall pass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46 Barrett


    Lawson P19 start to P9 finish. What a statement drive for his first race back in F1.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,794 ✭✭✭✭ctrl-alt-delete


    They only gave him a 5 second penalty, as opposed to the recommended 10 seconds under the guidelines as Max also left the track.

    The FIA document explains it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,481 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Russell from Pitlane to P6 isn't to be sniffed at either. And Colapinto 10th, so nearly had a fastest lap point but for Ocon taking the fastest lap outside of the top 10. It's potentially another point dropped by McLaren as Oscar had a pit window to slap on the softs.

    I think Lando's slim chance title race with Max is over and instead he needs to look over his shoulder as Leclerc is now 23 points behind.

    This too shall pass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 977 ✭✭✭niallm77


    Max needs to have a DNF in one of the next two races with Lando scoring big to make it interesting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,144 ✭✭✭furiousox


    Such a shame there are no decent seats available for Colapinto next season.

    CPL 593H



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,346 ✭✭✭PsychoPete


    Colapinto is making a good case for him to get a seat next year showing up Albon again. Seriously impressive drive from Lawson aswell and if that continues its hard to see Checo keeping his RB seat



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,842 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Max is still leading the WDC now with a probable unassailable lead. I can't remember a time when a driver won the WDC with the team finishing 3rd in the constructors. Glad it puts all the "its the car" nonsense to bed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,806 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    I went and checked - Piquet won the WDC in 1983 for Brabham, Brabham finished 3rd that season in constructors (Ferrari won, Renault 2nd).

    Re. it being the car - I think it shows that Perez is an extremely bad fit as a teammate for Verstappen. I'm not saying he's a bad driver, but Red Bull will focus their development to suit Verstappen as the best driver, and Perez's style is a complete mismatch then with the style of car.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,806 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Further to this:
    Keke Rosberg won the WDC in 1982 for Williams. Williams finished 4th that season (behind Ferrari, McLaren & Renault).

    These are the only 2 times I can see that the winning driver's team didn't finish 1st or 2nd in the constructor's.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,481 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Yes, but, should Max and Lando have a Monza 21 style coming together and Leclerc picks up another win then not only is Norris's bid over but he drops to 3rd in the championship. "Bird in the hand" and all that.

    This too shall pass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,300 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Well done to Charles. Drove a great race. MCLAREN and Lando really messed up.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,358 ✭✭✭jacool


    Its interesting that nobody was concerned at why "Car 1" also left the track.

    The rules state "When considering what is a 'significant portion', for an overtaking on the outside of a corner, among the various factors that will be looked at by the stewards when exercising their discretion, the stewards will consider if the overtaking car is ahead of the other car from the apex of the corner. The car being overtaken must be capable of making the corner while remaining within the limits of the track."



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 700 CMod ✭✭✭✭LIGHTNING


    Apparently there was a copyright issue with the original trophies so they went with generic ones



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    Max didn’t get a penalty cause he didn’t leave the track. Below is a still from when he was as far out as he got…. we’re talking cm’s or even mm’s here, but if he didn’t leave the track he didn’t leave the track.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,974 ✭✭✭Jacovs


    His whole car, all 4 wheels, are outside the white line (and the blue line next to the white line also). Isnt that leaving the track?

    Not concerned either way about the right or wrong of who penalties, just thought the white/blue line is the track limits.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    Correction: if there’s no red and white kerb then it’s the white line, but if there’s a red and white kerb then it’s the edge of the kerb and not the white line.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,360 ✭✭✭bren2001


    Correction, that rule changed 2 years ago:

    Requirements of Article 27.3 of the F1 Sporting Regulations will be strictly enforced, with infringements appropriately penalised:

    “For the avoidance of doubt, the white lines defining the track edges are considered to be part of the track, but the kerbs are not. Should a car leave the track for any reason, the driver may re-join. However, this may only be done when it is safe to do so and without gaining any lasting advantage. A driver will be judged to have left the track if no part of the car remains in contact with the track.”

    In the photo you posted, all 4 of Max's wheels are off the track. Why do you think the blue line is there????



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    I got my info from the below, which was published in 2023…. I don’t know if there has been an amendment to that you posted above so can’t comment, but it doesn’t appear to be as black and white as it first appeared?!? Might do some digging later 🤷🏻‍♂️


    https://racingnews365.com/track-limits



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,806 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Well this is simply wrong. It's the white line. He's a good foot or more past it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    Think we posted at the same time, see my above reply citing where I found that info, I’ll look into it more later 🫡



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,360 ✭✭✭bren2001


    I don’t know if there has been an amendment to that you posted above

    There has not. Track limits are denoted by the white line (or blue line now) and not the kerb.

    it doesn’t appear to be as black and white as it first appeared

    It most certainly is black and white. All four wheels were off the track in the picture you posted. The blue line thats there is the track limit, it's blue to make it easier for the drivers to see and for the viewer to see the track limits.

    Your "correction:" was incorrect. If you watch most weeks, you'll see how the strictly enforce the rules these days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    I’ll hold my hand up so, if the article was wrong it was wrong! Nothing more I can say regarding that if it’s the case 🤷🏻‍♂️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,300 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    That’s what I was wondering too, should defending like that actually be legal? It was clear he went way outside track limits. Obviously Max was ahead but you could see from the line he took through the corner that he had no intention of staying within the track limits. He basically dive bombs the corner just so his nose ahead and then anything that happens after doesn’t matter.

    IMO defending like that shouldn’t be legal. Staying within track limits is one of the basic principles of racing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,974 ✭✭✭Jacovs


    Its a bit stupid, because Norris was way ahead of Verstappen coming up to the corner, at least a full car length it seems, he then brakes to try and make the corner inside track limits, but Verstappen just braked later so he could be ahead at the apex, but doesnt make the corner, forcing Norris off the track also.

    I think even Verstappen alluded to it being stupid, but because he was penalized for it before he might aswell do it to others too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,298 ✭✭✭standardg60


    Yep that's pretty much it, because of the run off area it changed how the corner was 'defended'. If you go back to the start of the race that's how Max overtook lando to begin with, it doesn't seem right.

    A big strip of gravel out there would be a better option imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,417 ✭✭✭Gamb!t




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