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Hezbollah pager explosions

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,362 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Saw this on the news. Nobody is even speculating how it could have been done. Seems bizarre.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 197 ✭✭taratee


    That's a serious medium to long term strategy. Make them stop using smart phones, secretly supply them with exploding pagers, call them all at the same time months/years later. Watching some of the videos, they seem to be designed for very small local explosions, with people standing a foot away looking confused. Wonder who came up with this? Some are suggesting it was Mossad. Incredible act of sabotage, with little damage to anyone or anything else in the vicinity. Genius stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,353 ✭✭✭Quitelife


    Israel will kill us all for a finish up - horrible evil nation of bullies



  • Registered Users Posts: 254 ✭✭THE_SHEEP


    Xxx



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,355 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    raises the question - why now? why not six months ago, say?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,146 ✭✭✭TheRepentent


    Didn't even know pagers were still a thing. Everyday is a school day I guess.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭Deebles McBeebles


    Laser disc players could be next.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,511 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    https://www.rte.ie/news/middle-east/2024/0917/1470395-middle-east/

    "Yesterday, Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu expanded the country's goals for the war in Gaza, vowing to allow Israelis who fled areas near the Lebanon border to return to their homes." - that's why.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,230 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Extraordinary. A lot of speculation going on, perhaps devices developed with X grams of RDX inside.

    Edit: Up to an estimated thousand Hezbollah members affected now, with some deaths.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 197 ✭✭taratee


    Just reading up about it a little more. Hard to gauge but I think it's just a case of coverage. It takes time to coordinate something like this. You want to target as many terrorists as possible but you can't wait indefinitely. Hezbollah will be rocked by this. How would they coordinate any defence? Imagine this leaves them pretty vulnerable to further attacks now, which is fantastic news.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,503 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    If you know you know



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,355 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    from the guardian: '(Hezbollah) believe the attack was in response to the alleged assassination attempt by Hezbollah on a former top Israeli defence official, revealed on Tuesday by the Israeli Shin Bet security agency."

    also could be that mossad realised the doctored pagers (if they were indeed doctored) were on the cusp of being discovered? that's pure spitballing though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 367 ✭✭Randycove


    this is proper James Bond stuff. Q would be so proud.

    Kind of reminds me of the plot in the first Kingsman with the exploding heads.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭plodder


    Crazy stuff. You'd roll your eyes if it were in a James Bond movie. Presumably, the pagers had to be modified. It's ironic that criminals and terrorists are loathe to use off the shelf tech because they assume the authorities will be spying on them. Wasn't there some kind of similar (but non exploding) sting recently on big criminal gangs in Europe and the US who were caught because the customised equipment they thought was secure had been compromised, probably in a similar way to this ruse? Probably in both cases the equipment had to be physically modified by some country's security services before being supplied to the users. Something like this would have to be planned years in advance though, you'd think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,511 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    "Presumably, the pagers had to be modified." It just might be possible to do something to make the battery explode.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,247 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 197 ✭✭taratee


    They were told to use them instead of phones. Hassan Nasrallah (Hezbollah leader) previously warned the group's members not to carry mobile phones, alleging Israel could use them to track their movements. Guessing that is reason why they are using pagers.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,355 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    I am far from an expert on these things, just went on a quick Google. The primary causes listed for an explosion are physical damage or overcharging. I suspect they'd be far more likely to catch fire than explode, but the media is talking just about explosions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,637 ✭✭✭weisses


    Im calling it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,808 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Would that not be for mobiles though? Do pagers have the same kind of batteries even, since they're an older tech?

    Absolutely mad tactic. Very out of the box thinking.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭plodder


    Who knows for sure, but it seems unlikely to me. Even when lithium batteries go on fire, they are designed to contain the remnants rather than explode afaik.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,808 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Some people are very quick

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,355 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    I assume if the pagers themselves are new, they'd have modern batteries. If they're particularly old, that might imply that mossad hatched this plan many years ago and only hit the big red button now?

    Worth noting that from the video or two I've seen, they exploded within seconds of being paged - sounds far too quick to let heat build or batteries to overload?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,355 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Latest from the guardian, the health minister in the Lebanon states that there are 8 dead and nearly 2.8k injured.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,808 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Presuming there will be a significant response from Hezbollah at some stage

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Cordell


    One-way communication, unlike mobile phones that can be used to guide missiles.

    Also, hahahaha, fair play Mossad! Pure genius move.



  • Registered Users Posts: 535 ✭✭✭Antipathetic


    II wouldn't discount the possibility that it was a technological hack to cause the batteries to overheat. I just rebooted my phone while it was charging and it got uncomfortably hot so I can see how you could possibly cause a runaway thermal reaction in a small device such as a pager or phone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 338 ✭✭Astartes


    This is much better than cluster bombing a crèche. Fair play



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭plodder


    Iran’s ambassador to Lebanon was carrying one of them.

    Amani’s wounds were “superficial”, state media are reporting, adding that he was “conscious and in no danger”.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,808 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    This confirmed. Thought it was only a rumour? If he dies....

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,355 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Again though, if the batteries overheated you might expect 95% to catch fire and 5% to explode (figures pulled out of thin air). And the explosions happened within seconds of the pagers being paged.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 968 ✭✭✭SchrodingersCat


    I’m very skeptical this is “heat buildup of batteries to overload” suggestion.
    More likely it’s similar to what the FBI did with the drug dealer network in the US and Europe a year ago: become the supplier and give them the compromised communication hardware.

    I’d say they modified them with explosives, probably hidden in the battery. They detonated them all simultaneously remotely.

    Typical Li-ion battery “explosions” are glorified burnings. That video looks far more like a clean explosion.

    The delay between it ringing and exploding is probably to make them more lethal: the unfortunate user will take it out of their pocket and look at it before it explodes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 535 ✭✭✭Antipathetic


    Just saw this onTwitter so take it with a grain of salt but apparently pages belonging to others also exploded.

    If true then it leads credence to this being a new type of hack. Or they somehow distributed a large batch of ones with explosives



  • Registered Users Posts: 155 ✭✭RoscommonHero


    Genius not the word I would use to kill a 10-year old girl but people like you chalk that down as "collateral damage".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,242 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    They didn’t have smartphones in 8th century, so it’s only fitting we oblige them in their quest to regress



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,355 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    If you were to take the idea that the pagers were doctored, at face value, the whole supply chain in the Lebanon was probably flooded as they'd have little control over what pager was sold or supplied to what person. They may have just decided 'if you've a pager, you're a target' and hit a 'send to all' on them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,089 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    I doubt it was in direct response to that, this would likely have taken months of planning to carry out. The Israeli also conducted a special forces raid against Syria's most sensitive military sites recently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,706 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    Jesus...the thoughts of some child playing with one of these pagers.. getting their hands and face blown off...

    The Israelis just dont give a fùck....pure evil...

    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." - Fletcher



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,089 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    The response will be another feeble one.

    They are incapable of carrying out a like for like response. This incident along with several others over the last nine months have shown that. It demonstrates once again that there is no existential threat to Israel despite what some posters might suggest. The intent maybe there from its foes, but they are clearly no match for Israel militarily.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 338 ✭✭Astartes


    That tweet implies that "workers and doctor"s can't be members of a terrorist organisation. Play explodey games win explodey prizes



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,821 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    Are you mocking the deaths of health workers?

    A new low for isr...

    No, wait, business as usual for Israel supporters



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Very unlikely for multiple reasons, mainly because the battery in a pager, if it's of that type that explode which probably isn't, it's too small to kill anyone directly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,761 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Strange development in hacking "warfare". All bets are off now. Israel is cementing decades of retaliation for the misery they are inflicting. For misery, read war crimes. A lasting peace will not happen in my lifetime.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,355 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    the guardian is now reporting that pagers in Syria also exploded - seven dead there reportedly.

    Also:

    The pagers that detonated were the latest model brought in by Hezbollah in recent months, three security sources told Reuters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,170 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    US medics in Lebanon had been warned prior to not use those batch of pagers and to opt for another brand - huge intelligence failure that Hezbollah were not aware of this.

    Also suggests it wasn't pagers specific to Hezbollah that were compromised, but a large batch of pagers to Lebanon.

    Company are reportedly the Apollo Paging Company



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,528 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    I can't understand why people are so happy to take sides in this.

    Israel has carried out a lot of horrific acts but Hezbollah and Hamas are a shower of scumbags as well.

    The massacres carried out in Lebanon and the subsequent destruction of that society seem to be forgotten about by many.

    I'm not justifying what happened today, but I certainly wouldn't be taking anything stated by Hezbollah at face value, nor would I be demonising Israel in isolation in a situation where none of the players are worthy of support or sympathy.

    Glazers Out!



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,355 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,204 ✭✭✭Pedro K


    And the reported dead 10 year old, if found to be true?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Cordell


    https://www.thejournal.ie/dozens-hezbollah-members-injured-pagers-explode-lebanon-6490016-Sep2024/

    The 10-year-old daughter of a Hezbollah member was killed in Lebanon’s east when his pager exploded, her family and a source close to the group said.

    Then blame her terrorist daddy, not Israel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,297 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Yep, that was an FBI sting:

    https://www.inc.com/jennifer-conrad/the-fbi-created-its-own-startup-and-used-it-to-stage-a-massive-sting-operation.html


    Hugh Jeffries did a good… ehh, review 😁

    Yep, they’ll generally catch fire rather than explode, but there was the publicity generated from the ‘exploding’ Samsung S7’s a few years ago, and that’s why, annoyingly but reasonably enough - An Post won’t allow you to send anything with batteries in it (normally lithium anyway) in the post. The ‘exploding’ pagers is likely more of the same thing. It’s not actually a coincidence, it has a cause, most likely Hezbollah’s procurement department has some explaining to do for purchasing poor quality products putting its suicide bombers at risk:

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/hezbollah-official-israel-behind-coordinated-attack-pagers-lithium-batteries-apparently-exploded/



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